Re: [EURO-Discuss] [IRPCoalition] Communication of the European Commisson: "Internet Policy and Governance - Europe's role in shaping the future of Internet Governance"
Wolf So is EuroDIG an ALAC thing or is it more? I would have assumed that EuroDIG wasn't tied to ALAC? Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 -----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wolf Ludwig Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:00 PM To: Christopher Wilkinson Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] [IRPCoalition] Communication of the European Commisson: "Internet Policy and Governance - Europe's role in shaping the future of Internet Governance" Dear Christopher, well, nice being considered as a footnote at least ;-) For your other remark, I do not really share this POV: EuroDIG's idea and focus is to create a European MS *dialogue* platform what cannot be focused on the EU and its Commission only. And I think it's more than fair to held such events in different / changing parts of Europe (with the consequences involved). The problem of "little political impact on regulatory and other relevant policies, including the EU's position internationally" is known but cannot conversely mean to focus our efforts mostly on the EU. The Commission was invited since years to become an institutional partner of EuroDIG and to contribute substantially (as others do) but kept low profile ... (to be polite) -- we won't change EuroDIG's concept just for being more interesting or instrumental to the EUC. And we have no capacities nor resources for the usual policy and lobbying theatre performed in Brussels (except being a member of the EIF). On your last point (PS), EURALO was closely involved in EuroDIG from the beginning what became one of the main fields of our regional activities incl. outreach etc. -- therefore I see now problem to post such interrelated issues on this list. On the other hand, EuroDIG will launch its new Website soon which will contain more of such interactive elements -- whether it needs a discussion list like this, is another question. Best, Wolf Christopher Wilkinson wrote Thu, 13 Feb 2014 16:30:
Dear Wolf:
… they do not even mention EuroDIG...
Indeed, but it is not quite so bad: EuroDIG is mentioned at footnote Nº 25 (p.7).
However, this is symptomatic of an issue that I recall having mentioned before: EuroDIG's focus in recent years on Strasbourg, Geneva and the IGF has been not helpful in constituting a multistakeholder platform with regard to the European Union. On the contrary, particularly for civil society, the available voluntary effort (we can all count the hours and the travel costs) has been diverted through EuroDIG into intellectually fascinating avenues with little political impact on regulatory and other relevant policies, including the EU's position internationally. This is quite counter-intuitive, not lest when one observes that the national IGFs in the EU Member States are also barking up the wrong tree.
Best regards to you all
CW
PS: Incongruously, we are discussing this on the ICANN EURALO List (Are we off-topic ?). To the best of my knowledge, EuroDIG does not have a discussion list, which maybe is another point that needs attention.
On 12 Feb 2014, at 21:41, Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear all,
let me forward this info on the European Commission's policy position on Internet governance to you. As usual, nice wording and commitments but in the press release they do not even mention EuroDIG as sort of best practice at their front door ... or when claims bump up against reality.
Kind regards, Wolf
Andrea Glorioso sent Wed, 12 Feb 2014 16:08:
Dear all,
I would like to let you know that today (12 February 2013) the European Commission has adopted its formal policy position on Internet governance, via a Communication to the European Parliament, the Council, the European Economic and Social Committee and the Committee of the Regions: "Internet Policy and Governance - Europe's role in shaping the future of Internet governance" (COM(2014) 72/4).
The press release of the adoption is available at http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-14-142_en.htm .
The text of the Communication is available at http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/cf/dae/document.cfm?doc_id=....
The statement by Neelie Kroes, Vice-President of the European Commission and Commissioner for the Digital Agenda, is available at http://ec.europa.eu/avservices/video/player.cfm?ref=I086325 .
I hope you find this information useful and the content of the Communication interesting.
Best,
Andrea
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Just to be clear again, Michele (and I think as said below): EuroDIG is one of EURALO's *regional* main projects for years but NOT "an ALAC thing" for sure! EURALO is only one of various institutional partners across Europe -- just have a look on the EuroDIG website http://www.eurodig.org/ But on the regional level other RALOs are also involved in their regional IGFs like AFRALO or APRALO etc. by using such platforms for IG and ICANN-related discussions and outreach. With other words: EuroDIG is as EURALO a regional thing while ALAC is global and thus participating in the global IGF -- don't know what "tied" means for you? Best, Wolf Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote Fri, 14 Feb 2014 17:09:
Wolf
So is EuroDIG an ALAC thing or is it more?
I would have assumed that EuroDIG wasn't tied to ALAC?
Regards
Michele
-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
-----Original Message----- From: euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:euro-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Wolf Ludwig Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:00 PM To: Christopher Wilkinson Cc: Discussion for At-Large Europe Subject: Re: [EURO-Discuss] [IRPCoalition] Communication of the European Commisson: "Internet Policy and Governance - Europe's role in shaping the future of Internet Governance"
Dear Christopher,
well, nice being considered as a footnote at least ;-)
For your other remark, I do not really share this POV: EuroDIG's idea and focus is to create a European MS *dialogue* platform what cannot be focused on the EU and its Commission only. And I think it's more than fair to held such events in different / changing parts of Europe (with the consequences involved). The problem of "little political impact on regulatory and other relevant policies, including the EU's position internationally" is known but cannot conversely mean to focus our efforts mostly on the EU.
The Commission was invited since years to become an institutional partner of EuroDIG and to contribute substantially (as others do) but kept low profile ... (to be polite) -- we won't change EuroDIG's concept just for being more interesting or instrumental to the EUC. And we have no capacities nor resources for the usual policy and lobbying theatre performed in Brussels (except being a member of the EIF).
On your last point (PS), EURALO was closely involved in EuroDIG from the beginning what became one of the main fields of our regional activities incl. outreach etc. -- therefore I see now problem to post such interrelated issues on this list. On the other hand, EuroDIG will launch its new Website soon which will contain more of such interactive elements -- whether it needs a discussion list like this, is another question.
Best, Wolf
Christopher Wilkinson wrote Thu, 13 Feb 2014 16:30:
Dear Wolf:
… they do not even mention EuroDIG...
Indeed, but it is not quite so bad: EuroDIG is mentioned at footnote Nº 25 (p.7).
However, this is symptomatic of an issue that I recall having mentioned before: EuroDIG's focus in recent years on Strasbourg, Geneva and the IGF has been not helpful in constituting a multistakeholder platform with regard to the European Union. On the contrary, particularly for civil society, the available voluntary effort (we can all count the hours and the travel costs) has been diverted through EuroDIG into intellectually fascinating avenues with little political impact on regulatory and other relevant policies, including the EU's position internationally. This is quite counter-intuitive, not lest when one observes that the national IGFs in the EU Member States are also barking up the wrong tree.
Best regards to you all
CW
PS: Incongruously, we are discussing this on the ICANN EURALO List (Are we off-topic ?). To the best of my knowledge, EuroDIG does not have a discussion list, which maybe is another point that needs attention.
On 12 Feb 2014, at 21:41, Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
Dear all,
let me forward this info on the European Commission's policy position on Internet governance to you. As usual, nice wording and commitments but in the press release they do not even mention EuroDIG as sort of best practice at their front door ... or when claims bump up against reality.
Kind regards, Wolf
Andrea Glorioso sent Wed, 12 Feb 2014 16:08:
Dear all,
I would like to let you know that today (12 February 2013) the European Commission has adopted its formal policy position on Internet governance, via a Communication to the European Parliament, the Council, the European Economic and Social Committee and the Committee of the Regions: "Internet Policy and Governance - Europe's role in shaping the future of Internet governance" (COM(2014) 72/4).
The press release of the adoption is available at http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-14-142_en.htm .
The text of the Communication is available at http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/cf/dae/document.cfm?doc_id=....
The statement by Neelie Kroes, Vice-President of the European Commission and Commissioner for the Digital Agenda, is available at http://ec.europa.eu/avservices/video/player.cfm?ref=I086325 .
I hope you find this information useful and the content of the Communication interesting.
Best,
Andrea
-- I speak only for myself. Sometimes I do not even agree with myself. Keep it in mind. Twitter: @andreaglorioso Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/andrea.glorioso LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1749288&trk=tab_pro
EuroDIG Secretariat http://www.eurodig.org/ mobile +41 79 204 83 87 Skype: Wolf-Ludwig
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Profile on LinkedIn http://ch.linkedin.com/in/wolfludwig _______________________________________________ EURO-Discuss mailing list EURO-Discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/euro-discuss
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EuroDIG is one of EURALO's *regional* main projects
Oh! EuroDIG is an EURALO ALS? Première nouvelle. CW On 14 Feb 2014, at 19:32, Wolf Ludwig <wolf.ludwig@comunica-ch.net> wrote:
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