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Thanks Steve, I think this discrepancy should be addressed. Question to the group. How does a Registrar verify a request to suspend/delete a domain name from a provider that is not affiliated? Based on the current requirements if I would get such a request, the not affiliated privacy provider has to make sure that I will not be liable for any suspension or deletion. Till then I would ignore such requests as a Registrar as I have no contract with them. Best, Theo Metalitz, Steven schreef op 2017-08-14 11:36 PM:
IRT,
May I flag one issue that may not have been resolved with regard to the customer data accuracy specification discussed on last week's call: how the spec lines up with section 3.5.4.1 of the draft agreement.
Section 3.5.4.1 of the accreditation agreement basically provides (or will provide, once it is updated to adjust time limits and catch the issue Vicky flagged a couple of weeks ago) that if a customer willfully provides false info or fails to respond to an accuracy query from the provider, then customer's p/p service is suspended or cancelled AND the registration is suspended or cancelled.
However, Spec 2 (Customer Data Accuracy Program), discussed last week, seems to set forth somewhat different consequences in similar scenarios. Paragraphs 1, 2 and 4 state that if customer fails to verify contact information in various scenarios, then "Provider shall either verify the applicable contact information manually" or ask the Registrar to suspend the registration. In para. 5, in basically the same situation described in section 3.5.4.1, it states that provider should ask registrar either to "terminate" (is this the same as cancel?), suspend, or make the registration non-resolvable (clientHold and client Transfer Prohibited). Neither provision in the Spec says anything about suspending or canceling the p/p service (i.e., kicking customer out of the program), although surely the provider should have the ability to do that as a violation of its terms of service.
I get it that for a third party provider (not affiliated with a registrar), asking the registrar to suspend/"terminate"/cancel etc. is all that can be done with regard to the registration (as contrasted with the p/p service). But other than that I am puzzled by the somewhat differing obligations that apply in basically the same circumstances. (Section 3.5.5 of the Agreement says providers must comply with the Spec, but the Spec and 3.5.4.1 seem to require slightly different responses.)
Should this discrepancy be addressed? I note that we are pending some revision of 3.5.4.1 anyway so perhaps it could be addressed there.
Apologies if this has already been resolved; if so could someone point me to the resolution?
Thanks!
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FROM: gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl-bounces@icann.org] ON BEHALF OF Amy Bivins SENT: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 12:39 PM TO: gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl@icann.org SUBJECT: [Gdd-gnso-ppsai-impl] Action items, request for additional IRT input after 8 August IRT call
Dear Colleagues,
Thanks so much for your active participation on today's IRT call. If you were unable to attend, I encourage you to listen to the recording, which is available on the wiki, https://community.icann.org/display/IRT/08+August+2017 [2]
Attached, you will find an updated "issues list" that includes a detailed summary of all the PPAA-related topics discussed to date, including those raised on the call today. A very short summary of the input received today and the significant outstanding questions is also available below. PLEASE REVIEW THE TOPICS DISCUSSED TODAY AND SUBMIT ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK YOU HAVE NO LATER THAN NEXT MONDAY, 14 AUGUST. YOUR FEEDBACK IS ESPECIALLY NEEDED ON THE LEA FRAMEWORK AND DATA RETENTION TOPICS.
PROPOSED UPCOMING IRT DISCUSSION SCHEDULE:
15 August: PPAA definitions, PPAA amendment/negotiation process (updated per IRT feedback), RAA synchronization, request suggestions for future discussion topics
22 August: LEA framework, data retention, IP Framework, business dealings
29 August: Data escrow, labeling (new draft specification modeled on RAA requirements to be provided, per IRT feedback)
SUMMARY OF DISCUSSION ON TODAY’S CALL
* PPAA ISSUES 18-19: LEA FRAMEWORK:
* Updates to definitions to conform with rest of PPAA: no further edits suggested by IRT
* Proposed edit to Section 3.2.1 from PSWG, editing the section as follows:
* SUMMARY OF PROPOSED EDIT: This would reduce the period required for a provider to initiate a review of a law enforcement request from 2 business days to 24 hours. However, this would also eliminate any requirement for the provider to respond to the LEA requester within 24 hours. * PSWG RATIONALE: This edit was made to align more closely with RAA requirement (See Section 3.18.2 [3] RAA--"Well-founded reports of Illegal Activity submitted to these contacts must be reviewed within 24 hours by an individual who is empowered by Registrar to take necessary and appropriate actions in response to the report." * SUMMARY OF IRT FEEDBACK THUS FAR: Some IRT members said 24 hours is too short a period; possibly 1 business day would be preferable; Other IRT members supported edit and alignment with RAA. See issues list for detailed feedback.
* PPAA ISSUES 4, 23: Data Retention Requirements
* SUMMARY OF IRT FEEDBACK: Proposed required data elements appear generally OK; retention period appears to create issues under global data protection laws notwithstanding proposed reduction from RAA's 2-year requirement to 1-year requirement proposed for PPAA * PROPOSED SOLUTION RAISED BY IRT MEMBER: Edit to require retention based on maximum period allowed under applicable law.
* PPAA ISSUE 12: Accreditation Agreement Term
* SUMMARY OF IRT FEEDBACK: IRT members who commented supported the inclusion of a 5-year term for the contract, as is done for the RAA.
* CUSTOMER DATA ACCURACY SPECIFICATION:
* SUMMARY OF IRT FEEDBACK: Questions raised regarding how third-party providers would comply with these requirements. * IRT is requested to comment further on this specification, specifically, if a third-party provider cannot comply with these requirements, how should this be handled in the contract?
Best,
Amy
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