External Data Point on Accuracy
Hello All, Please make sure that everyone has used their “free time” today to complete the survey which is critical as we wrap up our work on Assignments 1 & 2. One of the themes that we have struggled with is providing a fact based approach to our work. While there has historically been a large number of inaccuracy complaints submitted to ICANN compliance, most of those complaints dissipated when RDDS data went dark (just checking to see if Marc Anderson is reading this email). I recently read this article involving the Spanish ccTLD Manager which reported the cancellation of more than 29,000 suspicious domain names “linked to fake online shopping websites that contained false or incorrect data.” See https://www.dominios.es/en/informacion-de-interes/noticias/collaboration-bet... So here are some questions I would like to pose to the group. 1) I think this is an interesting data that should be included as a reference point as part of the broader domain name marketplace issue we are trying to address; 2) With approximately 2 million names in the .ES zone, 29K domain names represents about 1.5% of domain names with false and inaccurate data. With 214 million gTLDs registered, 1.5% would account for over 3 million domain names with false/inaccurate data. Do members of this group find these numbers acceptable? 3) If not, what would be an acceptable number? 4) I believe most credit card companies now look at credit charge back rates of less than 1%, to be deemed acceptable. Is this an appropriate reference point given that most domain name transactions probably take place via a credit card transaction? Best regards, Michael
Hi Michael, Thanks for sending that article over, I have a couple thoughts in response. 1. I would find this much more interesting if there were an explanation of what kinds of data verification/validation occurred since the project started in 2019; how did they identify that these domains were using false or incorrect data, and how do those techniques compare to current practices or the discussions held in this ST? Further, how does the .es registry define accurate data, does it match our working definition? 2. I'm not sure that we can come to any agreement of an acceptable number or percentage of domains with inaccurate data without also considering what data is included in that rate, and what the data is used for. Is an outdated fax number or incorrectly-entered zipcode as important a data point as a registrant's name or email address? Does the rate of accuracy for some data need to be higher than the rate of accuracy for other data? I don’t recall considering that as a team and I'm not sure that it appears in our Instruction #1 or #2. I'm glad to know that this ccTLD is working on keeping their registry space up to date, but I'm not sure how to extend this to our work in a productive manner at this time. Hope everyone enjoys their long weekends! Thanks, -- Sarah Wyld, CIPP/E Policy & Privacy Manager Pronouns: she/they swyld@tucows.com From: Michael Palage Sent: June 30, 2022 12:35 PM To: gnso-accuracy-st@icann.org Subject: [GNSO-Accuracy-ST] External Data Point on Accuracy Hello All, Please make sure that everyone has used their “free time” today to complete the survey which is critical as we wrap up our work on Assignments 1 & 2. One of the themes that we have struggled with is providing a fact based approach to our work. While there has historically been a large number of inaccuracy complaints submitted to ICANN compliance, most of those complaints dissipated when RDDS data went dark (just checking to see if Marc Anderson is reading this email). I recently read this article involving the Spanish ccTLD Manager which reported the cancellation of more than 29,000 suspicious domain names “linked to fake online shopping websites that contained false or incorrect data.” See https://www.dominios.es/en/informacion-de-interes/noticias/collaboration-bet... So here are some questions I would like to pose to the group. 1) I think this is an interesting data that should be included as a reference point as part of the broader domain name marketplace issue we are trying to address; 2) With approximately 2 million names in the .ES zone, 29K domain names represents about 1.5% of domain names with false and inaccurate data. With 214 million gTLDs registered, 1.5% would account for over 3 million domain names with false/inaccurate data. Do members of this group find these numbers acceptable? 3) If not, what would be an acceptable number? 4) I believe most credit card companies now look at credit charge back rates of less than 1%, to be deemed acceptable. Is this an appropriate reference point given that most domain name transactions probably take place via a credit card transaction? Best regards, Michael
Hi Michael, Thanks for sending that article over, I have a couple thoughts in response. 1. I would find this much more interesting if there were an explanation of what kinds of data verification/validation occurred since the project started in 2019; how did they identify that these domains were using false or incorrect data, and how do those techniques compare to current practices or the discussions held in this ST? Further, how does the .es registry define accurate data, does it match our working definition? 2. I'm not sure that we can come to any agreement of an acceptable number or percentage of domains with inaccurate data without also considering what data is included in that rate, and what the data is used for. Is an outdated fax number or incorrectly-entered zipcode as important a data point as a registrant's name or email address? Does the rate of accuracy for some data need to be higher than the rate of accuracy for other data? I don’t recall considering that as a team and I'm not sure that it appears in our Instruction #1 or #2. I'm glad to know that this ccTLD is working on keeping their registry space up to date, but I'm not sure how to extend this to our work in a productive manner at this time. Hope everyone enjoys their long weekends! Thanks, -- Sarah Wyld, CIPP/E Policy & Privacy Manager Pronouns: she/they swyld@tucows.com From: Michael Palage Sent: June 30, 2022 12:35 PM To: gnso-accuracy-st@icann.org Subject: [GNSO-Accuracy-ST] External Data Point on Accuracy Hello All, Please make sure that everyone has used their “free time” today to complete the survey which is critical as we wrap up our work on Assignments 1 & 2. One of the themes that we have struggled with is providing a fact based approach to our work. While there has historically been a large number of inaccuracy complaints submitted to ICANN compliance, most of those complaints dissipated when RDDS data went dark (just checking to see if Marc Anderson is reading this email). I recently read this article involving the Spanish ccTLD Manager which reported the cancellation of more than 29,000 suspicious domain names “linked to fake online shopping websites that contained false or incorrect data.” See https://www.dominios.es/en/informacion-de-interes/noticias/collaboration-bet... So here are some questions I would like to pose to the group. 1) I think this is an interesting data that should be included as a reference point as part of the broader domain name marketplace issue we are trying to address; 2) With approximately 2 million names in the .ES zone, 29K domain names represents about 1.5% of domain names with false and inaccurate data. With 214 million gTLDs registered, 1.5% would account for over 3 million domain names with false/inaccurate data. Do members of this group find these numbers acceptable? 3) If not, what would be an acceptable number? 4) I believe most credit card companies now look at credit charge back rates of less than 1%, to be deemed acceptable. Is this an appropriate reference point given that most domain name transactions probably take place via a credit card transaction? Best regards, Michael
Hi Michael, not sure how you arrived at this conclusion, but nowhere in the article does it state that the roughly 29k domain names had false or incorrect registration details. The article states that the websites contained false or incorrect data, not the domains. Further, your math seems to be off, since the deactivation of this number of domains occurred over the course of approximately 4 years. This means this number will likely have to be at least quartered to be even remotely comparable to the number of domains in the registry at any given time. Please stop misinterpreting the news of the world to fit your personal agenda. Let us focus on actual evidence instead. I also agree to Sarah's comments: To be able to define a level of acceptability we first need to define what we mean by accuracy and what level of inaccuracy would make a record "unacceptable". Best, -- Volker A. Greimann General Counsel and Policy Manager *KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH* T: +49 6894 9396901 M: +49 6894 9396851 F: +49 6894 9396851 W: www.key-systems.net Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835 CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended only for the person(s) directly addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, transmission, distribution, or other forms of dissemination is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this email with any files that may be attached. On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 6:35 PM Michael Palage <michael@palage.com> wrote:
Hello All,
Please make sure that everyone has used their “free time” today to complete the survey which is critical as we wrap up our work on Assignments 1 & 2.
One of the themes that we have struggled with is providing a fact based approach to our work. While there has historically been a large number of inaccuracy complaints submitted to ICANN compliance, most of those complaints dissipated when RDDS data went dark (just checking to see if Marc Anderson is reading this email).
I recently read this article involving the Spanish ccTLD Manager which reported the cancellation of more than 29,000 suspicious domain names “linked to fake online shopping websites that contained false or incorrect data.” See https://www.dominios.es/en/informacion-de-interes/noticias/collaboration-bet...
So here are some questions I would like to pose to the group.
1) I think this is an interesting data that should be included as a reference point as part of the broader domain name marketplace issue we are trying to address;
2) With approximately 2 million names in the .ES zone, 29K domain names represents about 1.5% of domain names with false and inaccurate data. With 214 million gTLDs registered, 1.5% would account for over 3 million domain names with false/inaccurate data. Do members of this group find these numbers acceptable?
3) If not, what would be an acceptable number?
4) I believe most credit card companies now look at credit charge back rates of less than 1%, to be deemed acceptable. Is this an appropriate reference point given that most domain name transactions probably take place via a credit card transaction?
Best regards,
Michael
_______________________________________________ GNSO-Accuracy-ST mailing list GNSO-Accuracy-ST@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-accuracy-st
_______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
participants (3)
-
Michael Palage -
Sarah Wyld -
Volker Greimann