Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the GNSO Bylaws Implementation Drafting Team- call held on Wednesday 21 September 2016 at 13:00 UTC at: https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-bylaws-implementation-21sep16-en.mp3<http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=BicbgE3FNUxHuHwOPdgXp7PxnHhpBITaBzfgAxdndi-2Fxhi6wcRFjVZkNcS5ARyJAlXBC2XL-2Fj26rg-2F81v0uJU3daLfcTEKwTBZH8LTg7x88-3D_bE-2FoTL3xpeyRVrNxqAJXQ5-2Fc3sJwLoyf3pmXa1IzazbYz4-2Bd8qa-2FJrWpKIptw4WpH-2Bv8N5ihUeILy8hhfEZ0k6OieCmGDkoU70IAQv3trcfxXtX-2Fhd24YsmyQp3NfZxV31qsIoSxEQ7NTVGcmRDBW7rOASOzkff5omc3A312aJ5wC9bvbyLTK-2BKSpSUrB1hSRNiV-2BxLaqcEEwcixKPetlMMxt3qPD2SXvyGpNr0ZkDE0pWRFcfsSD-2B5uanMLeFJufWHa06p98jiz9-2BamElek1bC3TTS9MBAk1fM8RHllvsdIJgY8txEXQRKjrEYIA8jDTP3pyY4GaDkYnbsKQ-2BRpgON-2FbrIV0l2zG3NwtAp-2Fep-2FqJGhL7XQLW2-2B-2FKvG9QcIeO7-2FuX8hCV485qfoO4IVVQcMb-2Ba4ocKOfhonzqmnvIgd0H0NbYRSxgxyuq8NKd7MBrMmLGGkjjj54opq2B403zrTR98-2Bzde51664k82IAXdHeNi-2FIQbRyJ8nKkBrx4FG0> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Farzaneh Badii Steve Metalitz Darcy Southwell Amr Elsadr David Maher Edward Morris Steve Debianco Tony Harris Matthew Shears Apologies: None ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Marika Konings Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archive:http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-bylaws-dt/ DT wikispace: https://community.icann.org/x/yhCsAw Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Adobe Chat Transcript for Wednesday 21 September 2016 Nathalie Peregrine: Dear all, Welcome to the GNSO Bylaws Implementation Drafting Team on Wedneday 21 September 2016 at 13:00 UTC. Nathalie Peregrine:Wiki meeting page: https://community.icann.org/x/AwW4Aw Nathalie Peregrine:Notes from the last meeting: https://community.icann.org/x/dh2sAw Farzaneh Badii:It's the DT :) Steve DelBianco:Tony -- do you have the draft report I sent on Sunday? matthew shears:morning Terri Agnew:Members/SOI: https://community.icann.org/x/2hCsAw Steve DelBianco:Julie & Terri -- could u please have ready a PDF of Ed Morris' letter for display in Adobe? Will be needed later Tony Harris:Steve, no I do not Amr Elsadr:I'm guessing my GNSO SOI works? Julie Hedlund:@Steve: I have Ed's ready too. Julie Hedlund:I also sent the draft to the group with the agenda today. Julie Hedlund:So, the DT members should all have both Ed's and Steve's drafts. Julie Hedlund:@Steve: I will capture the notes and revise the report according to the comments received. Julie Hedlund:@All: The document is unsynced. Steve DelBianco:Staff: could you please display Steve's markup now? Julie Hedlund:@Steve: In process. Julie Hedlund:@Steve: the document is up. matthew shears:yes, Steve - exactly matthew shears:EC is GNSO - its clearly stated in the bylaws Edward Morris:Agreed. Steve DelBianco:EC includes GNSO, and GNSO incluides Council. Steve DelBianco:question: is our DT recommending that Council speak for GNSO in new powers for EC? Marika Konings:If I recall well, there was a specific discussion on the CWG-Stewardship on whether it should be GNSO or GNSO Council and it was conciously written as GNSO Council. Steve DelBianco:Section 11.2. ORGANIZATIONThe GNSO shall consist of: (a) (b)(c) (d)(e)A number of Constituencies, where applicable, organized within the Stakeholder Groups as described in Section 11.5;Four Stakeholder Groups organized within Houses as described in Section 11.5;Two Houses within the GNSO Council as described in Section 11.3(h);A GNSO Council responsible for managing the policy development process of the GNSO, as described in Section 11.3; andExcept as otherwise defined in these Bylaws, the four Stakeholder Groups and the Constituencies will be responsible for defining their own charters with the approval of their members and of the Board. Marika Konings:The Bylaws do not limit the GNSO Council to policy development only, at least not as it is currently written, does it? steve metalitz:t@Marika, yes, the word "only" does not appear. Amr Elsadr:No Marika, they don't. Apart from the description of the GNSO, as explained by Steve M., there are Annexes A-1 and A-2 that have nothing to do with policy development. Amr Elsadr:The bylaws also give the GNSO the discretion to operate internally based on its own operating procedures. Not everything the GNSO does is in the bylaws. Steve DelBianco:Amr -- you are focusing what the Council does today. We are asking whether Council SHOULD speak for GNSO inthe new bylaws. matthew shears:Agree Ed - I am a little at a loss to understand what other mechanism would be as suited as the council given the limited time we have to complete this work, and if there were to other options surely they would have to be discussed more fully by the GNSO and would take significantly more time than we have Steve DelBianco:again, our question is: Should Council speak for GNSO on matters where the new bylaws refer to EC and AC/SOs. matthew shears:I would also vote yes Amr Elsadr:Yes. Farzaneh Badii:I vote yes too Darcy Southwell:I vote yes too Amr Elsadr:It's a little too late for that Tony. ;-) Edward Morris:Agree with Amr Darcy Southwell:Agree with Amr on this. Farzaneh Badii:what is the alternative to the council? I have not heard any suggestions. Darcy Southwell:We have not had nearly enough time to thoroughly discuss some of these issues. Farzaneh Badii:agreed Darcy matthew shears:+ 1 - plenty of options to review again in the future but for now we should be focussed on enabling the GNSO to engage in its new role as a Decisonal Participant David Maher:iI can only see pages 1 and 2 Steve DelBianco:Staff -- can you please resend the PDF to David Maher Amr Elsadr:@Matt: Yes, agree. We need to agree on recommendations to use now, but the issues that have been pointed out certainly warrant further consideration. It would be irresponsible to ignore them, I think. Julie Hedlund:@Steve: Will do. Julie Hedlund:@David: Just sent to you. Farzaneh Badii:but how can we answer "how" when some object to council Steve DelBianco:@Farzi -- our assignmen tis to recommend "who" and "how". We will note a significant minority disagress that "who" shuld be council. But we need to now look at "how" steve metalitz:@Staff, my recommendation is that the report flesh out the issues and recommend they be discussed and decided by stakeholder groups and constituencies within the GNSO. Please reflect this in notes. Julie Hedlund:@Steve: Captured! Marika Konings:would it be worth circulating the process from the GNSO WG Guidelines on how to designate consensus? Julie Hedlund:@Steve D.: I have picked up the language provided by Steve M. Amr Elsadr:@Marika: Sure. That'd be helpful. Marika Konings:it usually does not include voting :-) Amr Elsadr:@SDB: Agree. Edward Morris:THere is NO prohibition for the GNSO Council, constututional or otherwise, for doing what it has done. Amr Elsadr:@Steve: Again..., I'm not so sure that's right (outside of its constitutional responsibilities). Edward Morris:WHO has the powers, Steve? Amr Elsadr:@Steve: I agree on that it is unnecessary to include the GGP bit in the report. Julie Hedlund:@DT members: I have sent the WG Guidelines to the list and note section 3.6 on Standard Methodologies for Making Decisions. I can also bring up the document in the Adobe Connect room. Julie Hedlund:@All: The table on voting does not show up in the PDF. I can bring it up separately. Darcy Southwell:Yes Amr Elsadr:Yes. It was a word doc. Edward Morris:Thanks Steve Steve DelBianco:staff: could you please bring up the voting table? Julie Hedlund:@Steve: Done. steve metalitz:@Ed, just because someone cannot vote on a particular matter does not mean they have to "leave the room." Amr Elsadr:Are we done with the discussion on the NCAs? Amr Elsadr:Agreed. Thanks. Marika Konings:Looking back at the resolution forming this DT, please note that the DT is instructed to come back with consensus recommendations: "The Drafting Team shall provide the GNSO Council with an implementation plan, which will have the consensus of the Drafting Team, including any recommendations for needed further changes to ICANN Bylaws and/or GNSO Operating Procedures to enable effective GNSO participation in ICANN activities under the revised ICANN Bylaws, not later than 30 September 2016." Edward Morris:Good question Steve Amr Elsadr:I'm guessing we can decide what our definition of consensus is. We are not a chartered group. Steve DelBianco:You're next, Marika Farzaneh Badii:could you please remind me why CPH votes are weighted 2? Edward Morris:Because they have half as many Council reps as the NCPH Marika Konings:@Farzaneh - to create a balance between CPH and NCPH without necessarily needing the same # of Council members steve metalitz:+1 Steve D that this has nothing todo with individuals Farzaneh Badii:Thanks Marika Amr Elsadr:OK. Thanks Marika. Marika Konings:yes, you are correct - there is no exact science to determining consensus matthew shears:These are interesting options but premature so I would have to vote no Farzaneh Badii:no Amr Elsadr:My view: Higher than simple majority threshold for nominations and decisions on EC petitions, and less than majority of each house for initiating inspection requests. Amr Elsadr:Agree with Ed. Inspection requests should be as easy as requesting issue reports or initiating PDPs. Edward Morris:Thanks Steve Edward Morris:Good point. Thanks Steve M. Amr Elsadr:I believe that Council should make appointments (generally) via some sort of consensus, not a simple majority. Edward Morris:@Amr. Would the 60% level we use for Chair/VC selection be high enough of a threshold in your view? Amr Elsadr:It'd certainly be better, Ed. steve metalitz:Could someone remind us whether the 60% is 60% of each House for Chair? Marika Konings:if you look at consensus policy, supermajority meets the definition of consensus under the contracts that ICANN has with its contracted parties. Marika Konings:@STeve: The GNSO Chair shall be elected by a 60 percent vote of each house matthew shears:thanks Steve Farzaneh Badii:thanks everyone Terri Agnew:Next call currently scheudled for Wednesday, 28 September at 13:00 UTC Darcy Southwell:Yes, I have a conflict - can't make it Sept. 28. matthew shears:no Darcy Southwell:Yes matthew shears:probably Edward Morris:transparency steve metalitz:No to Sept. 29 Edward Morris:wg Farzaneh Badii:that's a thursday? Edward Morris:yes Terri Agnew:@Farzaneh, yes 29 Sept is a Thursday Farzaneh Badii:I gotta check my calendar. thanks Terri Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.