Dear colleagues, Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept. In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon> From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Chris Dillon – NCSG Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual Peter Dernbach- IPC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC Justine Chew- Individual Rudi Vansnick – NPOC Lindsay Hamilton Reid – RrSG Jennifer Chung – RySG Wen Zhai - NTAG Apologies: Petter Rindforth – IPC Jim Galvin – SSAC Emily Taylor - RrSG ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page: http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? Chris Dillon:Hello all Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. Chris Dillon:Thanks Peter Dernbach:Hell all. Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Wen Zhai:Good evening~ Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! Wen Zhai::) Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! Justine Chew:yes could be both Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? Rudi Vansnick:thank you all Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! Chris Dillon:Thank you. Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up!
Dear All, I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed). Best,Petter -- Petter Rindforth, LL M Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu www.fenixlegal.eu NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu Thank you 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> skrev:
Dear colleagues,
Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept.
In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant.
Regards,
Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) <http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>
From:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org] On Behalf OfNathalie Peregrine Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014
Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3>
On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO
Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/>
Attendees: Chris Dillon – NCSG Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual Peter Dernbach- IPC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC Justine Chew-Individual Rudi Vansnick – NPOC Lindsay Hamilton Reid – RrSG Jennifer Chung – RySG Wen Zhai - NTAG
Apologies: Petter Rindforth – IPC Jim Galvin – SSAC Emily Taylor - RrSG
ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Nathalie Peregrine
** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **
Wiki page:<http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx>
Thank you. Kind regards,
Nathalie GNSO Secretariat
Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? Chris Dillon:Hello all Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. Chris Dillon:Thanks Peter Dernbach:Hell all. Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Wen Zhai:Good evening~ Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! Wen Zhai::) Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! Justine Chew:yes could be both Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? Rudi Vansnick:thank you all Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! Chris Dillon:Thank you. Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up!
Dear Petter, Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today I hope to reedit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report¹s completion and distribution for review. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars From: Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> Reply-To: "petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 To: "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear All, I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed). Best, Petter -- Petter Rindforth, LL M Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu www.fenixlegal.eu NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu Thank you 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> skrev:
Dear colleagues,
Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept.
In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant.
Regards,
Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon <http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>
From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014
Dear All,
Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3
On page:
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep>
The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO
Master Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/>
Attendees:
Chris Dillon NCSG
Ubolthip Sethakaset Individual
Peter Dernbach- IPC
Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC
Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC
Justine Chew- Individual
Rudi Vansnick NPOC
Lindsay Hamilton Reid RrSG
Jennifer Chung RySG
Wen Zhai - NTAG
Apologies:
Petter Rindforth IPC
Jim Galvin SSAC
Emily Taylor - RrSG
ICANN staff:
Julie Hedlund
Lars Hoffmann
Amy Bivins
Glen de Saint Gery
Nathalie Peregrine
** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **
Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx <http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx>
Thank you.
Kind regards,
Nathalie
GNSO Secretariat
Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014:
Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014
Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie!
Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer!
Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now?
Chris Dillon:Hello all
Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris
Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone
Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen.
Chris Dillon:Thanks
Peter Dernbach:Hell all.
Peter Dernbach:Hello all.
Wen Zhai:Good evening~
Chris Dillon:Good afternoon!
Wen Zhai::)
Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor
Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late.
Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ?
Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants".
Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars"
Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact
Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1
Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2
Rudi Vansnick:could be both also !
Justine Chew:yes could be both
Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1
Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope?
Rudi Vansnick:thank you all
Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all.
Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all
Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone!
Chris Dillon:Thank you.
Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up!
Dear Petter, Thank you for your suggestions. As Lars writes, we are in an intensive phase of editing at the moment and will make sure that they are covered in the document that comes out, we hope, later today. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon> From: Lars Hoffmann [mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org] Sent: 30 September 2014 08:01 To: petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu; Dillon, Chris Cc: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear Petter, Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today - I hope to re-edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report's completion and distribution for review. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars From: Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu<mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>> Reply-To: "petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu<mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>" <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu<mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>> Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 To: "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>> Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear All, I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed). Best, Petter -- Petter Rindforth, LL M Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu<mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> www.fenixlegal.eu NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu Thank you 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>> skrev: Dear colleagues, Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept. In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon> From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Chris Dillon - NCSG Ubolthip Sethakaset - Individual Peter Dernbach- IPC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC Justine Chew- Individual Rudi Vansnick - NPOC Lindsay Hamilton Reid - RrSG Jennifer Chung - RySG Wen Zhai - NTAG Apologies: Petter Rindforth - IPC Jim Galvin - SSAC Emily Taylor - RrSG ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? Chris Dillon:Hello all Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. Chris Dillon:Thanks Peter Dernbach:Hell all. Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Wen Zhai:Good evening~ Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! Wen Zhai::) Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! Justine Chew:yes could be both Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? Rudi Vansnick:thank you all Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! Chris Dillon:Thank you. Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up!
Dear Petter Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper. I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware. I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group. The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group. You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data. I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group. Best wishes, Emily. On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Petter, Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today – I hope to re–edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report’s completion and distribution for review. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars
From: Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> Reply-To: "petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu
Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 To: "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org
Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report
Dear All,
I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed).
Best, Petter
-- Petter Rindforth, LL M
Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu www.fenixlegal.eu
NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu Thank you
12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> skrev:
Dear colleagues,
Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept.
In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: *registrar* should read *registrant*.
Regards,
Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon
*From:* owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org [ mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org <owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Nathalie Peregrine *Sent:* 11 September 2014 21:44 *To:* gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org *Cc:* gnso-secs@icann.org *Subject:* [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014
Dear All,
Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3
On page:
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep
The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO
Master Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/
*Attendees:*
Chris Dillon – NCSG
Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual
Peter Dernbach- IPC
Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC
Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC
Justine Chew- Individual
Rudi Vansnick – NPOC
Lindsay Hamilton Reid – RrSG
Jennifer Chung – RySG
Wen Zhai - NTAG
*Apologies: *
Petter Rindforth – IPC
Jim Galvin – SSAC
Emily Taylor - RrSG
*ICANN staff:*
Julie Hedlund
Lars Hoffmann
Amy Bivins
Glen de Saint Gery
Nathalie Peregrine
** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **
Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx
Thank you.
Kind regards,
Nathalie
GNSO Secretariat
*Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014:*
Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014
Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie!
Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer!
Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now?
Chris Dillon:Hello all
Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris
Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone
Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen.
Chris Dillon:Thanks
Peter Dernbach:Hell all.
Peter Dernbach:Hello all.
Wen Zhai:Good evening~
Chris Dillon:Good afternoon!
Wen Zhai::)
Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor
Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late.
Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ?
Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants".
Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars"
Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact
Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1
Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2
Rudi Vansnick:could be both also !
Justine Chew:yes could be both
Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1
Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope?
Rudi Vansnick:thank you all
Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all.
Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all
Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone!
Chris Dillon:Thank you.
Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up!
-- Emily Taylor *MA(Cantab), MBA* Director *Netistrar Limited* 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL | T: +44 1865 582811 | M: +44 7540 049322 E: emily.taylor@netistrar.com | W: www.netistrar.com Registered office: Netistrar Limited, 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DE11 0DL UK. Registered in England and Wales No. 08735583. VAT No. 190062332
Dear Emily, We’re hoping we’re only hours away from releasing a draft initial report which will include options mandatorily to transform and not. Please wait for that document which should include Petter’s suggestions, rather than circulating another version of the straw man. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon> From: Emily Taylor [mailto:emily.taylor@netistrar.com] Sent: 30 September 2014 09:44 To: Lars Hoffmann Cc: petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu; Dillon, Chris; gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear Petter Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper. I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware. I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group. The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group. You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data. I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group. Best wishes, Emily. On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org<mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org>> wrote: Dear Petter, Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today – I hope to re–edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report’s completion and distribution for review. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars From: Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu<mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>> Reply-To: "petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu<mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>" <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu<mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>> Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 To: "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>> Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear All, I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed). Best, Petter -- Petter Rindforth, LL M Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010<tel:%2B46%280%298-4631010> Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu<mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> www.fenixlegal.eu<http://www.fenixlegal.eu> NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu<http://www.fenixlegal.eu> Thank you 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>> skrev: Dear colleagues, Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept. In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599<tel:%2B44%2020%207679%201599> (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon> From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Chris Dillon – NCSG Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual Peter Dernbach- IPC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC Justine Chew- Individual Rudi Vansnick – NPOC Lindsay Hamilton Reid – RrSG Jennifer Chung – RySG Wen Zhai - NTAG Apologies: Petter Rindforth – IPC Jim Galvin – SSAC Emily Taylor - RrSG ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? Chris Dillon:Hello all Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. Chris Dillon:Thanks Peter Dernbach:Hell all. Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Wen Zhai:Good evening~ Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! Wen Zhai::) Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! Justine Chew:yes could be both Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? Rudi Vansnick:thank you all Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! Chris Dillon:Thank you. Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up! -- Emily Taylor MA(Cantab), MBA Director Netistrar Limited 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL | T: +44 1865 582811 | M: +44 7540 049322 E: emily.taylor@netistrar.com<mailto:emily.taylor@netistrar.com> | W: www.netistrar.com<http://www.netistrar.com> [http://www.netistrar.com/wp-content/themes/carfax-child/assets/img/Netistrar...] Registered office: Netistrar Limited, 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DE11 0DL UK. Registered in England and Wales No. 08735583. VAT No. 190062332
Dear Chris Thanks for your message. I have no wish to break the editing / release cycle. I did, however, want to make it very clear as early as possible that the latest proposed edits are controversial, and do not have consensus (at least not from this quarter!). Best wishes, and thanks as always for your work in guiding this process, Emily On 30 September 2014 09:50, Dillon, Chris <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
Dear Emily,
We’re hoping we’re only hours away from releasing a draft initial report which will include options mandatorily to transform and not. Please wait for that document which should include Petter’s suggestions, rather than circulating another version of the straw man.
Regards,
Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon
*From:* Emily Taylor [mailto:emily.taylor@netistrar.com] *Sent:* 30 September 2014 09:44 *To:* Lars Hoffmann *Cc:* petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu; Dillon, Chris; gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org
*Subject:* Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report
Dear Petter
Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper.
I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware.
I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group.
The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group.
You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data.
I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group.
Best wishes,
Emily.
On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Petter,
Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today – I hope to re–edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report’s completion and distribution for review.
Many thanks and best wishes,
Lars
*From: *Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> *Reply-To: *"petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" < petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> *Date: *Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 *To: *"Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> *Cc: *"gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" < gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report
Dear All,
I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed).
Best,
Petter
-- Petter Rindforth, LL M
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12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> skrev:
Dear colleagues,
Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept.
In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: *registrar* should read *registrant*.
Regards,
Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon
*From:* owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org [ mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org <owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Nathalie Peregrine *Sent:* 11 September 2014 21:44 *To:* gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org *Cc:* gnso-secs@icann.org *Subject:* [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014
Dear All,
Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3
On page:
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep
The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO
Master Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/
*Attendees:*
Chris Dillon – NCSG
Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual
Peter Dernbach- IPC
Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC
Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC
Justine Chew- Individual
Rudi Vansnick – NPOC
Lindsay Hamilton Reid – RrSG
Jennifer Chung – RySG
Wen Zhai - NTAG
*Apologies: *
Petter Rindforth – IPC
Jim Galvin – SSAC
Emily Taylor - RrSG
*ICANN staff:*
Julie Hedlund
Lars Hoffmann
Amy Bivins
Glen de Saint Gery
Nathalie Peregrine
** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **
Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx
Thank you.
Kind regards,
Nathalie
GNSO Secretariat
*Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014:*
Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014
Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie!
Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer!
Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now?
Chris Dillon:Hello all
Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris
Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone
Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen.
Chris Dillon:Thanks
Peter Dernbach:Hell all.
Peter Dernbach:Hello all.
Wen Zhai:Good evening~
Chris Dillon:Good afternoon!
Wen Zhai::)
Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor
Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late.
Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ?
Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants".
Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars"
Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact
Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1
Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2
Rudi Vansnick:could be both also !
Justine Chew:yes could be both
Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1
Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope?
Rudi Vansnick:thank you all
Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all.
Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all
Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone!
Chris Dillon:Thank you.
Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up!
--
*Emily Taylor*
*MA(Cantab), MBA* Director
*Netistrar Limited* 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL | T: +44 1865 582811 | M: +44 7540 049322 E: emily.taylor@netistrar.com | W: www.netistrar.com
Registered office: Netistrar Limited, 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DE11 0DL UK. Registered in England and Wales No. 08735583. VAT No. 190062332
-- Emily Taylor *MA(Cantab), MBA* Director *Netistrar Limited* 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL | T: +44 1865 582811 | M: +44 7540 049322 E: emily.taylor@netistrar.com | W: www.netistrar.com Registered office: Netistrar Limited, 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DE11 0DL UK. Registered in England and Wales No. 08735583. VAT No. 190062332
Dear Emily, I’m really grateful for both your and Petter’s input. At this stage the key thing is to make sure that it is all reflected in the initial draft document which contains options, which the straw man didn’t. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon> From: Emily Taylor [mailto:emily.taylor@netistrar.com] Sent: 30 September 2014 09:57 To: Dillon, Chris Cc: Lars Hoffmann; petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu; gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear Chris Thanks for your message. I have no wish to break the editing / release cycle. I did, however, want to make it very clear as early as possible that the latest proposed edits are controversial, and do not have consensus (at least not from this quarter!). Best wishes, and thanks as always for your work in guiding this process, Emily On 30 September 2014 09:50, Dillon, Chris <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>> wrote: Dear Emily, We’re hoping we’re only hours away from releasing a draft initial report which will include options mandatorily to transform and not. Please wait for that document which should include Petter’s suggestions, rather than circulating another version of the straw man. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599<tel:%2B44%2020%207679%201599> (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon> From: Emily Taylor [mailto:emily.taylor@netistrar.com<mailto:emily.taylor@netistrar.com>] Sent: 30 September 2014 09:44 To: Lars Hoffmann Cc: petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu<mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>; Dillon, Chris; gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear Petter Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper. I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware. I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group. The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group. You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data. I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group. Best wishes, Emily. On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org<mailto:lars.hoffmann@icann.org>> wrote: Dear Petter, Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today – I hope to re–edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report’s completion and distribution for review. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars From: Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu<mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>> Reply-To: "petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu<mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>" <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu<mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>> Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 To: "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>> Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear All, I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed). Best, Petter -- Petter Rindforth, LL M Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010<tel:%2B46%280%298-4631010> Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu<mailto:petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> www.fenixlegal.eu<http://www.fenixlegal.eu> NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu<http://www.fenixlegal.eu> Thank you 12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk<mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>> skrev: Dear colleagues, Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept. In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant. Regards, Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599<tel:%2B44%2020%207679%201599> (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon<http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon> From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014 Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Chris Dillon – NCSG Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual Peter Dernbach- IPC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC Justine Chew- Individual Rudi Vansnick – NPOC Lindsay Hamilton Reid – RrSG Jennifer Chung – RySG Wen Zhai - NTAG Apologies: Petter Rindforth – IPC Jim Galvin – SSAC Emily Taylor - RrSG ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie GNSO Secretariat Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? Chris Dillon:Hello all Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. Chris Dillon:Thanks Peter Dernbach:Hell all. Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Wen Zhai:Good evening~ Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! Wen Zhai::) Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! Justine Chew:yes could be both Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? Rudi Vansnick:thank you all Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! Chris Dillon:Thank you. 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VAT No. 190062332 -- Emily Taylor MA(Cantab), MBA Director Netistrar Limited 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL | T: +44 1865 582811 | M: +44 7540 049322 E: emily.taylor@netistrar.com<mailto:emily.taylor@netistrar.com> | W: www.netistrar.com<http://www.netistrar.com> [http://www.netistrar.com/wp-content/themes/carfax-child/assets/img/Netistrar...] Registered office: Netistrar Limited, 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DE11 0DL UK. Registered in England and Wales No. 08735583. VAT No. 190062332
Dear Emily, dear all, First I would like to say that it is good to see some activity on the mailing list and as the discussion on this important issue moves forward. I just wanted to lay out the groups¹ envisaged progress from now until after LA to provide a little clarity where as are: 1. Later today or early tomorrow we will send out a Draft Initial Report. Please note: This report will reflect both sides of the argument one supporting and one opposing mandatory transformation of contact information. Consequently it will also contain two sets of recommendations, one recommending mandatory transformation and one not recommending mandatory transformation. Providing both sides of an argument and different sets of recommendations in our Initial Reports will hopefully help focus community feedback more effectively and propel forward the WG's discussion. 2. The Draft Initial Report, including both sides of the argument and both sets of recommendations, will be presented to the GNSO during ICANN 51 in LA, and form the basis of the discussion for the WG¹s face-to-face meeting. Please note: the WG will point out explicitly that there are opposing views among its members and that the WG would like to encourage feedback on both sides of the argument. 3. Based on the feedback, amendments will be made, and an Initial Report will be produced and put out for public comment after ICANN 51 Please note: Regardless of the discussion/feedback gathered in LA, the Initial Report will contain both sides of the argument and both sets of recommendations, one in favour and one opposing mandatory transformation, to encourage informed feedback on both sides of the argument. 4. Based on the community feedback gathered during the public comment period, the Group will then discuss the community submissions and hopefully be able to come to a consensus on either side of the recommendations. Please note: Any consensus decision will then be reflected in the WG's recommendations put forward in it Final Report which is no prejudiced by the wording/reasoning of the Initial Report. Based on this, I would like to ask the Group to wait until the Draft Initial Report has been circulated to gather further input/feedback from their constituencies/stakeholder group and/or the wider community. If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to get back to me or Julie either on or off list. Many thanks and very best wishes, Lars From: Emily Taylor <emily.taylor@netistrar.com> Date: Tuesday, 30 September 2014 10:44 To: Lars HOFFMANN <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> Cc: "petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>, "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>, "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report Dear Petter Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper. I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware. I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group. The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group. You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data. I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group. Best wishes, Emily. On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Petter, Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today I hope to reedit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report¹s completion and distribution for review. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars
From: Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> Reply-To: "petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 To: "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report
Dear All,
I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed).
Best, Petter
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12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> skrev:
Dear colleagues,
Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept.
In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant.
Regards,
Chris.
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From:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014
Dear All,
Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3
On page:
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep>
The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO
Master Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/>
Attendees:
Chris Dillon NCSG
Ubolthip Sethakaset Individual
Peter Dernbach- IPC
Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC
Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC
Justine Chew- Individual
Rudi Vansnick NPOC
Lindsay Hamilton Reid RrSG
Jennifer Chung RySG
Wen Zhai - NTAG
Apologies:
Petter Rindforth IPC
Jim Galvin SSAC
Emily Taylor - RrSG
ICANN staff:
Julie Hedlund
Lars Hoffmann
Amy Bivins
Glen de Saint Gery
Nathalie Peregrine
** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **
Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx <http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx>
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Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014:
Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014
Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie!
Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer!
Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now?
Chris Dillon:Hello all
Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris
Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone
Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen.
Chris Dillon:Thanks
Peter Dernbach:Hell all.
Peter Dernbach:Hello all.
Wen Zhai:Good evening~
Chris Dillon:Good afternoon!
Wen Zhai::)
Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor
Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late.
Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ?
Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants".
Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars"
Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact
Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1
Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2
Rudi Vansnick:could be both also !
Justine Chew:yes could be both
Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1
Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope?
Rudi Vansnick:thank you all
Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all.
Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all
Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone!
Chris Dillon:Thank you.
Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up!
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Hi Lars, Personally, I find this approach rather odd. The WG is the bottom of the bottom-up policy development process. It’s supposed to make concrete recommendations that are clearly stated in the initial report (or a draft of this report) with a clear indication of the WG’s consensus level with these recommendations. The WG shouldn't have two sets of conflicting recommendations, and ask others to decide which set they like better. That’s what the public comment period is for. This also provides an opportunity for any members with a minority position to provide a minority statement, which should be attached to the draft initial report and equally accessible for community review. To send a draft with two completely conflicting set of recommendations will only serve to confuse the readers/audience on what the consensus of the WG members is, following months of dialogue on the advantages and disadvantages of mandatory transformation. At this time, I believe the prudent course of action would be to determine the consensus levels among the WG members for each of the two drafts (Chris’ latest draft and the one with the modifications made by Petter). Thanks. Amr On Sep 30, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Emily, dear all,
First I would like to say that it is good to see some activity on the mailing list and as the discussion on this important issue moves forward. I just wanted to lay out the groups’ envisaged progress from now until after LA to provide a little clarity where as are:
1. Later today or early tomorrow we will send out a Draft Initial Report. Please note: This report will reflect both sides of the argument – one supporting and one opposing mandatory transformation of contact information. Consequently it will also contain two sets of recommendations, one recommending mandatory transformation and one not recommending mandatory transformation. Providing both sides of an argument and different sets of recommendations in our Initial Reports will hopefully help focus community feedback more effectively and propel forward the WG's discussion.
2. The Draft Initial Report, including both sides of the argument and both sets of recommendations, will be presented to the GNSO during ICANN 51 in LA, and form the basis of the discussion for the WG’s face-to-face meeting. Please note: the WG will point out explicitly that there are opposing views among its members and that the WG would like to encourage feedback on both sides of the argument.
3. Based on the feedback, amendments will be made, and an Initial Report will be produced and put out for public comment after ICANN 51 Please note: Regardless of the discussion/feedback gathered in LA, the Initial Report will contain both sides of the argument and both sets of recommendations, one in favour and one opposing mandatory transformation, to encourage informed feedback on both sides of the argument.
4. Based on the community feedback gathered during the public comment period, the Group will then discuss the community submissions and hopefully be able to come to a consensus on either side of the recommendations. Please note: Any consensus decision will then be reflected in the WG's recommendations put forward in it Final Report – which is no prejudiced by the wording/reasoning of the Initial Report.
Based on this, I would like to ask the Group to wait until the Draft Initial Report has been circulated to gather further input/feedback from their constituencies/stakeholder group and/or the wider community.
If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to get back to me or Julie either on or off list.
Many thanks and very best wishes, Lars
From: Emily Taylor <emily.taylor@netistrar.com> Date: Tuesday, 30 September 2014 10:44 To: Lars HOFFMANN <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> Cc: "petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>, "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>, "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report
Dear Petter
Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper.
I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware.
I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group.
The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group.
You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data.
I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group.
Best wishes,
Emily.
On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Petter, Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today – I hope to re–edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report’s completion and distribution for review. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars
From: Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> Reply-To: "petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 To: "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report
Dear All,
I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed).
Best, Petter
-- Petter Rindforth, LL M
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12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> skrev:
Dear colleagues,
Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept.
In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant.
Regards,
Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon
From:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014
Dear All,
Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3
On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep
The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/
Attendees: Chris Dillon – NCSG Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual Peter Dernbach- IPC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC Justine Chew- Individual Rudi Vansnick – NPOC Lindsay Hamilton Reid – RrSG Jennifer Chung – RySG Wen Zhai - NTAG
Apologies: Petter Rindforth – IPC Jim Galvin – SSAC Emily Taylor - RrSG
ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Nathalie Peregrine
** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **
Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx
Thank you. Kind regards,
Nathalie GNSO Secretariat
Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? Chris Dillon:Hello all Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. Chris Dillon:Thanks Peter Dernbach:Hell all. Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Wen Zhai:Good evening~ Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! Wen Zhai::) Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! Justine Chew:yes could be both Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? Rudi Vansnick:thank you all Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! Chris Dillon:Thank you. Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up!
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Dear all I agree with Amr's point of view. Is there a particular reason why we need to go back to Council at this point (I'm not particularly familiar with the process)? I was surprised by the recent edits because I had thought that the group was pretty comfortable about the position we were heading in. I must have been wrong there, and it is useful to surface the issues within the group and talk them through. I see this as a point where we need to work harder within the working group before going out to public comment (if I've understood the intent correctly) - not sure we're quite "ready for primetime" as the saying goes. Best Emily On 30 September 2014 15:05, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr@egyptig.org> wrote:
Hi Lars,
Personally, I find this approach rather odd. The WG is the bottom of the bottom-up policy development process. It’s supposed to make concrete recommendations that are clearly stated in the initial report (or a draft of this report) with a clear indication of the WG’s consensus level with these recommendations. The WG shouldn't have two sets of conflicting recommendations, and ask others to decide which set they like better. That’s what the public comment period is for. This also provides an opportunity for any members with a minority position to provide a minority statement, which should be attached to the draft initial report and equally accessible for community review.
To send a draft with two completely conflicting set of recommendations will only serve to confuse the readers/audience on what the consensus of the WG members is, following months of dialogue on the advantages and disadvantages of mandatory transformation.
At this time, I believe the prudent course of action would be to determine the consensus levels among the WG members for each of the two drafts (Chris’ latest draft and the one with the modifications made by Petter).
Thanks.
Amr
On Sep 30, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Emily, dear all,
First I would like to say that it is good to see some activity on the mailing list and as the discussion on this important issue moves forward. I just wanted to lay out the groups’ envisaged progress from now until after LA to provide a little clarity where as are:
*1. Later today or early tomorrow we will send out a Draft Initial Report.* Please note: This report will reflect both sides of the argument – one supporting and one opposing mandatory transformation of contact information. Consequently it will also contain two sets of recommendations, one recommending mandatory transformation and one not recommending mandatory transformation. Providing both sides of an argument and different sets of recommendations in our Initial Reports will hopefully help focus community feedback more effectively and propel forward the WG's discussion.
*2. The Draft Initial Report, including both sides of the argument and both sets of recommendations, will be presented to the GNSO during ICANN 51 in LA, and form the basis of the discussion for the WG’s face-to-face meeting.* Please note: the WG will point out explicitly that there are opposing views among its members and that the WG would like to encourage feedback on both sides of the argument.
*3. Based on the feedback, amendments will be made, and an Initial Report will be produced and put out for public comment after ICANN 51* Please note: Regardless of the discussion/feedback gathered in LA, the Initial Report will contain both sides of the argument and both sets of recommendations, one in favour and one opposing mandatory transformation, to encourage informed feedback on both sides of the argument.
*4. Based on the community feedback gathered during the public comment period, the Group will then discuss the community submissions and hopefully be able to come to a consensus on either side of the recommendations.* Please note: Any consensus decision will then be reflected in the WG's recommendations put forward in it Final Report – which is no prejudiced by the wording/reasoning of the Initial Report.
Based on this, *I would like to ask the Group to wait until the Draft Initial Report has been circulated *to gather further input/feedback from their constituencies/stakeholder group and/or the wider community.
If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to get back to me or Julie either on or off list.
Many thanks and very best wishes, Lars
From: Emily Taylor <emily.taylor@netistrar.com> Date: Tuesday, 30 September 2014 10:44 To: Lars HOFFMANN <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> Cc: "petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>, "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>, "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report
Dear Petter
Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper.
I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware.
I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group.
The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group.
You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data.
I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group.
Best wishes,
Emily.
On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Petter, Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today – I hope to re–edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report’s completion and distribution for review. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars
From: Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> Reply-To: "petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" < petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 To: "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" < gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report
Dear All,
I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed).
Best, Petter
-- Petter Rindforth, LL M
Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu www.fenixlegal.eu
NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu Thank you
12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> skrev:
Dear colleagues,
Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept.
In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: *registrar* should read *registrant*.
Regards,
Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon
*From:*owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org [ mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org <owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Nathalie Peregrine *Sent:* 11 September 2014 21:44 *To:* gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org *Cc:* gnso-secs@icann.org *Subject:* [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014
Dear All,
Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3
On page:
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/
*Attendees:* Chris Dillon – NCSG Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual Peter Dernbach- IPC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC Justine Chew- Individual Rudi Vansnick – NPOC Lindsay Hamilton Reid – RrSG Jennifer Chung – RySG Wen Zhai - NTAG
*Apologies: * Petter Rindforth – IPC Jim Galvin – SSAC Emily Taylor - RrSG
*ICANN staff:* Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Nathalie Peregrine
** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **
Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx
Thank you. Kind regards,
Nathalie GNSO Secretariat
*Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014:* Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? Chris Dillon:Hello all Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. Chris Dillon:Thanks Peter Dernbach:Hell all. Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Wen Zhai:Good evening~ Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! Wen Zhai::) Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! Justine Chew:yes could be both Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? Rudi Vansnick:thank you all Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! Chris Dillon:Thank you. Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up!
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Dear Chris, Lars, Petter, Emily and Amr: First of all, I would like to thank everyone for all their work on the Working Group thus far and the recent input on the draft initial report. I am particularly happy to see Emily's input, as we have not received much input from the Registrars to date. I understand that membership in the Working Groups is always open, and welcome Emily's joining the Working Group and the discussion now as we want to ensure that the Working Group takes into consideration the opinions of the Registrars. My impression from the input we received from the community prior to our meeting in London was that there was not a consensus from the community on the first question of whether mandatory translation or transliteration of contact information into a single language or script was desirable. Some in the community thought it was desirable, and some thought it was not. In our discussions in person, it did not seem that those in the room had a consensus either. I was personally surprised at the first draft of the strawman that suggested to me a high degree of consensus among the members of the Working Group that translation/transliteration was not desirable. I did not think this reflected the content of our discussions, and mentioned this in some of the previous calls. Perhaps in our calls leading up to Los Angeles we can explore this, and the level to which there is, or is not, consensus. Best regards, Peter <http://www.winklerpartners.com/> Peter J.Dernbach 譚璧德 Partner 合夥律師(外國法事務律師) *T* 886 (0)2 2311 2345 # 222 *F* 886 (0)2 2311 2688 www.winklerpartners.com pdernbach@winklerpartners.com ------------------------------ NOTICE: This email and any attachments contain private, confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or distribute the contents and are requested to delete them and to notify the sender. 本電子郵件及其附件含有私有、機密、依法受特別保護之資料，僅供意定之收件人使用。若您並非所意定之收件人，即不得予以使用、重製或散布，並請刪除其內容，並通知寄件人。 On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Emily Taylor <emily.taylor@netistrar.com> wrote:
Dear all
I agree with Amr's point of view. Is there a particular reason why we need to go back to Council at this point (I'm not particularly familiar with the process)? I was surprised by the recent edits because I had thought that the group was pretty comfortable about the position we were heading in. I must have been wrong there, and it is useful to surface the issues within the group and talk them through. I see this as a point where we need to work harder within the working group before going out to public comment (if I've understood the intent correctly) - not sure we're quite "ready for primetime" as the saying goes.
Best
Emily
On 30 September 2014 15:05, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr@egyptig.org> wrote:
Hi Lars,
Personally, I find this approach rather odd. The WG is the bottom of the bottom-up policy development process. It’s supposed to make concrete recommendations that are clearly stated in the initial report (or a draft of this report) with a clear indication of the WG’s consensus level with these recommendations. The WG shouldn't have two sets of conflicting recommendations, and ask others to decide which set they like better. That’s what the public comment period is for. This also provides an opportunity for any members with a minority position to provide a minority statement, which should be attached to the draft initial report and equally accessible for community review.
To send a draft with two completely conflicting set of recommendations will only serve to confuse the readers/audience on what the consensus of the WG members is, following months of dialogue on the advantages and disadvantages of mandatory transformation.
At this time, I believe the prudent course of action would be to determine the consensus levels among the WG members for each of the two drafts (Chris’ latest draft and the one with the modifications made by Petter).
Thanks.
Amr
On Sep 30, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Emily, dear all,
First I would like to say that it is good to see some activity on the mailing list and as the discussion on this important issue moves forward. I just wanted to lay out the groups’ envisaged progress from now until after LA to provide a little clarity where as are:
*1. Later today or early tomorrow we will send out a Draft Initial Report.* Please note: This report will reflect both sides of the argument – one supporting and one opposing mandatory transformation of contact information. Consequently it will also contain two sets of recommendations, one recommending mandatory transformation and one not recommending mandatory transformation. Providing both sides of an argument and different sets of recommendations in our Initial Reports will hopefully help focus community feedback more effectively and propel forward the WG's discussion.
*2. The Draft Initial Report, including both sides of the argument and both sets of recommendations, will be presented to the GNSO during ICANN 51 in LA, and form the basis of the discussion for the WG’s face-to-face meeting.* Please note: the WG will point out explicitly that there are opposing views among its members and that the WG would like to encourage feedback on both sides of the argument.
*3. Based on the feedback, amendments will be made, and an Initial Report will be produced and put out for public comment after ICANN 51* Please note: Regardless of the discussion/feedback gathered in LA, the Initial Report will contain both sides of the argument and both sets of recommendations, one in favour and one opposing mandatory transformation, to encourage informed feedback on both sides of the argument.
*4. Based on the community feedback gathered during the public comment period, the Group will then discuss the community submissions and hopefully be able to come to a consensus on either side of the recommendations.* Please note: Any consensus decision will then be reflected in the WG's recommendations put forward in it Final Report – which is no prejudiced by the wording/reasoning of the Initial Report.
Based on this, *I would like to ask the Group to wait until the Draft Initial Report has been circulated *to gather further input/feedback from their constituencies/stakeholder group and/or the wider community.
If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to get back to me or Julie either on or off list.
Many thanks and very best wishes, Lars
From: Emily Taylor <emily.taylor@netistrar.com> Date: Tuesday, 30 September 2014 10:44 To: Lars HOFFMANN <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> Cc: "petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>, "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>, "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report
Dear Petter
Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper.
I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware.
I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group.
The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group.
You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data.
I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group.
Best wishes,
Emily.
On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Petter, Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today – I hope to re–edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report’s completion and distribution for review. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars
From: Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> Reply-To: "petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" < petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 To: "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" < gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report
Dear All,
I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed).
Best, Petter
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12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> skrev:
Dear colleagues,
Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept.
In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: *registrar* should read *registrant*.
Regards,
Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon
*From:*owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org [ mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org <owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Nathalie Peregrine *Sent:* 11 September 2014 21:44 *To:* gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org *Cc:* gnso-secs@icann.org *Subject:* [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014
Dear All,
Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3
On page:
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/
*Attendees:* Chris Dillon – NCSG Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual Peter Dernbach- IPC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC Justine Chew- Individual Rudi Vansnick – NPOC Lindsay Hamilton Reid – RrSG Jennifer Chung – RySG Wen Zhai - NTAG
*Apologies: * Petter Rindforth – IPC Jim Galvin – SSAC Emily Taylor - RrSG
*ICANN staff:* Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Nathalie Peregrine
** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **
Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx
Thank you. Kind regards,
Nathalie GNSO Secretariat
*Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014:* Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? Chris Dillon:Hello all Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. Chris Dillon:Thanks Peter Dernbach:Hell all. Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Wen Zhai:Good evening~ Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! Wen Zhai::) Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! Justine Chew:yes could be both Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? Rudi Vansnick:thank you all Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! Chris Dillon:Thank you. Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up!
-- Emily Taylor
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--
Emily Taylor
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Hi, I agree that this should be the next logical step before sharing even a draft report with the community, although I was under a different impression; that there was consensus (if not full consensus) in favour of the recommendations in the initial draft recommending no mandatory transformation. I would also like to make two suggestions: 1. That the section in the draft initial report elaborate a bit more than is currently present under the section “Community Input”. We spent considerable time going through each and every one of the statements submitted and referred to in that section. The report should probably include a suitable level of detail to reflect those discussions, and inform readers (as well as those who submitted the comments) on considerations made by the WG in review of those comments. 2. It is important to not conflate community input and positions on the PDP’s charter questions with the WG consensus levels when determining this consensus. The WG decision-making method is only meant to reflect the position of the WG members, and for good reason. I’m not certain that anything else was being suggested in previous posts to this list, but thought I’d just weigh in on this point before we move forward. Thanks. Amr On Oct 1, 2014, at 6:03 AM, Peter Dernbach <pdernbach@winklerpartners.com> wrote:
Dear Chris, Lars, Petter, Emily and Amr: First of all, I would like to thank everyone for all their work on the Working Group thus far and the recent input on the draft initial report.
I am particularly happy to see Emily's input, as we have not received much input from the Registrars to date. I understand that membership in the Working Groups is always open, and welcome Emily's joining the Working Group and the discussion now as we want to ensure that the Working Group takes into consideration the opinions of the Registrars.
My impression from the input we received from the community prior to our meeting in London was that there was not a consensus from the community on the first question of whether mandatory translation or transliteration of contact information into a single language or script was desirable. Some in the community thought it was desirable, and some thought it was not. In our discussions in person, it did not seem that those in the room had a consensus either. I was personally surprised at the first draft of the strawman that suggested to me a high degree of consensus among the members of the Working Group that translation/transliteration was not desirable. I did not think this reflected the content of our discussions, and mentioned this in some of the previous calls. Perhaps in our calls leading up to Los Angeles we can explore this, and the level to which there is, or is not, consensus.
Best regards, Peter
Peter J.Dernbach 譚璧德
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On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Emily Taylor <emily.taylor@netistrar.com> wrote: Dear all
I agree with Amr's point of view. Is there a particular reason why we need to go back to Council at this point (I'm not particularly familiar with the process)? I was surprised by the recent edits because I had thought that the group was pretty comfortable about the position we were heading in. I must have been wrong there, and it is useful to surface the issues within the group and talk them through. I see this as a point where we need to work harder within the working group before going out to public comment (if I've understood the intent correctly) - not sure we're quite "ready for primetime" as the saying goes.
Best
Emily
On 30 September 2014 15:05, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr@egyptig.org> wrote: Hi Lars,
Personally, I find this approach rather odd. The WG is the bottom of the bottom-up policy development process. It’s supposed to make concrete recommendations that are clearly stated in the initial report (or a draft of this report) with a clear indication of the WG’s consensus level with these recommendations. The WG shouldn't have two sets of conflicting recommendations, and ask others to decide which set they like better. That’s what the public comment period is for. This also provides an opportunity for any members with a minority position to provide a minority statement, which should be attached to the draft initial report and equally accessible for community review.
To send a draft with two completely conflicting set of recommendations will only serve to confuse the readers/audience on what the consensus of the WG members is, following months of dialogue on the advantages and disadvantages of mandatory transformation.
At this time, I believe the prudent course of action would be to determine the consensus levels among the WG members for each of the two drafts (Chris’ latest draft and the one with the modifications made by Petter).
Thanks.
Amr
On Sep 30, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Emily, dear all,
First I would like to say that it is good to see some activity on the mailing list and as the discussion on this important issue moves forward. I just wanted to lay out the groups’ envisaged progress from now until after LA to provide a little clarity where as are:
1. Later today or early tomorrow we will send out a Draft Initial Report. Please note: This report will reflect both sides of the argument – one supporting and one opposing mandatory transformation of contact information. Consequently it will also contain two sets of recommendations, one recommending mandatory transformation and one not recommending mandatory transformation. Providing both sides of an argument and different sets of recommendations in our Initial Reports will hopefully help focus community feedback more effectively and propel forward the WG's discussion.
2. The Draft Initial Report, including both sides of the argument and both sets of recommendations, will be presented to the GNSO during ICANN 51 in LA, and form the basis of the discussion for the WG’s face-to-face meeting. Please note: the WG will point out explicitly that there are opposing views among its members and that the WG would like to encourage feedback on both sides of the argument.
3. Based on the feedback, amendments will be made, and an Initial Report will be produced and put out for public comment after ICANN 51 Please note: Regardless of the discussion/feedback gathered in LA, the Initial Report will contain both sides of the argument and both sets of recommendations, one in favour and one opposing mandatory transformation, to encourage informed feedback on both sides of the argument.
4. Based on the community feedback gathered during the public comment period, the Group will then discuss the community submissions and hopefully be able to come to a consensus on either side of the recommendations. Please note: Any consensus decision will then be reflected in the WG's recommendations put forward in it Final Report – which is no prejudiced by the wording/reasoning of the Initial Report.
Based on this, I would like to ask the Group to wait until the Draft Initial Report has been circulated to gather further input/feedback from their constituencies/stakeholder group and/or the wider community.
If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to get back to me or Julie either on or off list.
Many thanks and very best wishes, Lars
From: Emily Taylor <emily.taylor@netistrar.com> Date: Tuesday, 30 September 2014 10:44 To: Lars HOFFMANN <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> Cc: "petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>, "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>, "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report
Dear Petter
Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper.
I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware.
I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group.
The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group.
You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data.
I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group.
Best wishes,
Emily.
On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Petter, Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today – I hope to re–edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report’s completion and distribution for review. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars
From: Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> Reply-To: "petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 To: "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report
Dear All,
I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed).
Best, Petter
-- Petter Rindforth, LL M
Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu www.fenixlegal.eu
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12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> skrev:
Dear colleagues,
Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept.
In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant.
Regards,
Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon
From:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014
Dear All,
Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3
On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep
The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/
Attendees: Chris Dillon – NCSG Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual Peter Dernbach- IPC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC Justine Chew- Individual Rudi Vansnick – NPOC Lindsay Hamilton Reid – RrSG Jennifer Chung – RySG Wen Zhai - NTAG
Apologies: Petter Rindforth – IPC Jim Galvin – SSAC Emily Taylor - RrSG
ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Nathalie Peregrine
** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **
Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx
Thank you. Kind regards,
Nathalie GNSO Secretariat
Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? Chris Dillon:Hello all Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. Chris Dillon:Thanks Peter Dernbach:Hell all. Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Wen Zhai:Good evening~ Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! Wen Zhai::) Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! Justine Chew:yes could be both Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? Rudi Vansnick:thank you all Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! Chris Dillon:Thank you. Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up!
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Hi Emily, As said: There is no conses in the group in these topics. That's what I wanted to have more clearly indicated. Best,Petter -- Petter Rindforth, LL M Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu www.fenixlegal.eu NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu Thank you 30 september 2014, Emily Taylor <emily.taylor@netistrar.com> skrev:
Dear Petter
Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper.
I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware.
I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group.
The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group.
You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data.
I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group.
Best wishes,
Emily. On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann <<lars.hoffmann@icann.org>> wrote:
Dear Petter, Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today – I hope to re–edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report’s completion and distribution for review. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars
From: Petter Rindforth <<petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>> Reply-To: "<petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>" <<petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu>> Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 To: "Dillon, Chris" <<c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>> Cc: "<gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <<gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report
Dear All,
I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed).
Best,Petter
-- Petter Rindforth, LL M
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12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris <<c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>> skrev:
Dear colleagues,
Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept.
In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant.
Regards,
Chris. -- Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 <tel:%2B44%2020%207679%201599> (int 31599) <http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon>
From:<owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org <owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org>] On Behalf OfNathalie Peregrine Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 To: <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> Cc: <gnso-secs@icann.org> Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014
Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3>
On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/>
Attendees: Chris Dillon – NCSG Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual Peter Dernbach- IPC Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC Justine Chew-Individual Rudi Vansnick – NPOC Lindsay Hamilton Reid – RrSG Jennifer Chung – RySG Wen Zhai - NTAG
Apologies: Petter Rindforth – IPC Jim Galvin – SSAC Emily Taylor - RrSG
ICANN staff: Julie Hedlund Lars Hoffmann Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Nathalie Peregrine
** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **
Wiki page:<http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx>
Thank you. Kind regards,
Nathalie GNSO Secretariat
Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014 Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie! Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer! Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now? Chris Dillon:Hello all Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen. Chris Dillon:Thanks Peter Dernbach:Hell all. Peter Dernbach:Hello all. Wen Zhai:Good evening~ Chris Dillon:Good afternoon! Wen Zhai::) Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late. Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ? Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants". Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars" Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1 Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2 Rudi Vansnick:could be both also ! Justine Chew:yes could be both Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1 Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope? Rudi Vansnick:thank you all Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all. Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone! Chris Dillon:Thank you. Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up!
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Hi Emily and all. I couldn’t agree more with Emily’s assessment of this sudden reversal in recommendations being proposed, and its lack of accurate representation of the current WG consensus level. Regarding the second paragraph in the first recommendation, it may be a better idea to refer to the WG members rather than the stakeholders when specifying the current consensus level of the WG. Thanks. Amr On Sep 30, 2014, at 10:44 AM, Emily Taylor <emily.taylor@netistrar.com> wrote:
Dear Petter
Thank you for marking up and circulating your comments on the draft paper.
I note that you have deleted the word "not" from draft recommendation #1, which reverses its meaning. This would have the effect of making transformation of contact data mandatory, which has not been the consensus in the working group as far as I am aware.
I'm also not sure of the basis for the proposed change "the main part of the stakeholders" in favour of mandatory transformation. I thought the previous text which acknowledged that "some" are in favour, was a fairer representation of opinions on the working group.
The recommendation #5 now imposes costs of transformation on registries and registrars. Again, I do not see this as reflecting the consensus in group.
You have also removed the important text (page 4, para 3, that the costs of transformation are likely to outweigh the benefits. This is particularly important as the paper has rehearsed the complexity of transliteration/translation of proper names and address data.
I will be circulating your draft to the Registrar stakeholder group for comments, but wanted to give an immediate heads up that the changes proposed in your version circulated on 29 September are controversial, unlikely to be acceptable to industry colleagues, and are likely to upset the consensus in the policy working group.
Best wishes,
Emily.
On 30 September 2014 08:00, Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann@icann.org> wrote: Dear Petter, Thank you very much for your amendments - very good to see some activity on the list. Alas, as you might recall, we are working on a Draft Initial Report that we thought to send out to the Group today – I hope to re–edit the document based on your submission as soon as possible, still, it might somewhat delay the Draft Report’s completion and distribution for review. Many thanks and best wishes, Lars
From: Petter Rindforth <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> Reply-To: "petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu" <petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu> Date: Monday, 29 September 2014 22:53 To: "Dillon, Chris" <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> Cc: "gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] Draft initial report
Dear All,
I have made some "minor" changes, based on the initial IPC comments (see enclosed).
Best, Petter
-- Petter Rindforth, LL M
Fenix Legal KB Stureplan 4c, 4tr 114 35 Stockholm Sweden Fax: +46(0)8-4631010 Direct phone: +46(0)702-369360 E-mail: petter.rindforth@fenixlegal.eu www.fenixlegal.eu
NOTICE This e-mail message is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are requested not to read, copy or distribute it or any of the information it contains. Please delete it immediately and notify us by return e-mail. Fenix Legal KB, Sweden, www.fenixlegal.eu Thank you
12 september 2014, Dillon, Chris <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk> skrev:
Dear colleagues,
Just to confirm that it was decided to start work on turning the straw man (latest version attached) into a draft initial report, the first version of which, it is hoped, will be presented during our call on 25 Sept.
In the meantime, please submit any suggestions or corrections to the list. Speaking of corrections, note that there is rather a confusing typo in paragraph 1 of Appendix B: registrar should read registrant.
Regards,
Chris.
--
Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599) www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon
From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine Sent: 11 September 2014 21:44 To: gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg@icann.org Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 11 September 2014
Dear All,
Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group call held on Thursday 11 September at 1300 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140911-en.mp3
On page:
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep
The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO
Master Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/
Attendees:
Chris Dillon – NCSG
Ubolthip Sethakaset – Individual
Peter Dernbach- IPC
Pitinan Kooarmornpatana-GAC
Peter Green (Zhang Zuan)-NCUC
Justine Chew- Individual
Rudi Vansnick – NPOC
Lindsay Hamilton Reid – RrSG
Jennifer Chung – RySG
Wen Zhai - NTAG
Apologies:
Petter Rindforth – IPC
Jim Galvin – SSAC
Emily Taylor - RrSG
ICANN staff:
Julie Hedlund
Lars Hoffmann
Amy Bivins
Glen de Saint Gery
Nathalie Peregrine
** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **
Wiki page:http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx
Thank you.
Kind regards,
Nathalie
GNSO Secretariat
Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 11 September 2014:
Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working group call on the 11th September 2014
Jennifer Chung:Hello Nathalie and Julie!
Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Jennifer!
Jennifer Chung:It looks a bit thin on the numbers right now?
Chris Dillon:Hello all
Jennifer Chung:Hello Chris
Rudi Vansnick:hello everyone
Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I've made you a host so you can move the document on the screen.
Chris Dillon:Thanks
Peter Dernbach:Hell all.
Peter Dernbach:Hello all.
Wen Zhai:Good evening~
Chris Dillon:Good afternoon!
Wen Zhai::)
Nathalie Peregrine:noted! for Emily Taylor
Justine Chew:@Chris: Yes, happy with your suggestion
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Apologies for being late.
Rudi Vansnick:are there any suggestions to add to the present document ?
Peter Dernbach:In Appendix B you refer to "registrars" but I think you mean "registrants".
Peter Dernbach:"easier to contact registrars"
Rudi Vansnick:yes should be registrants in fact
Rudi Vansnick:end of paragraph 1
Peter Dernbach:and end of paragraph 2
Rudi Vansnick:could be both also !
Justine Chew:yes could be both
Justine Chew:@Rudi: +1
Justine Chew:Since we are making recommendations, perhaps mention it and qualify if it is not within the WG scope?
Rudi Vansnick:thank you all
Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thanks all.
Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:thanks all
Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone!
Chris Dillon:Thank you.
Chris Dillon:We have some busy weeks coming up!
-- Emily Taylor MA(Cantab), MBA Director
Netistrar Limited 661 Burton Road, Swadlincote, Derbyshire DD11 0DL | T: +44 1865 582811 | M: +44 7540 049322 E: emily.taylor@netistrar.com | W: www.netistrar.com
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Petter Rindforth