[EPDP-IDNs P2] Draft Initial Report - Request for Review
Dear EPDP Team Members, Thank you all for your kind feedback related to the new contents that Steve shared last week. Please find attached the long-awaited draft of the P2 Initial Report (word doc.). With the report hot off the press, kindly note that the leadership team has not yet had the opportunity to fully review the report, but due to time limits, they will be doing so alongside the team. The Initial Report is scheduled to be published for Public Comment on 11 April 2024. Accordingly, the Staff would greatly appreciate all your kind review, providing feedback and comments, if any, by Tuesday, 9 April 2024 EOD, giving us a full day in preparation for publication. We look forward to your kind cooperation. Much appreciated, Steve, Ariel, Dan, and Saewon. Saewon Lee Policy Development Support Manager for GNSO Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Mobile: +1 (310) 463-5541 Email: saewon.lee@icann.org<mailto:saewon.lee@icann.org> Skype: saewon.lee.icann Website: www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org>
Dear EPDP Team, I have now had an opportunity to review the draft Initial Report sent to us all by Saewon last week. While I would prefer to have the Recommendations elevated to Section 2, followed by our working methods and glossary, I am happy to move forward with the report as is. I hope that you all have an opportunity to review and provide comments by the deadline nominated by Saewon. If no comments are received we will assume that the Report is acceptable to all and that you support posting it for public comment. Of course, it would also be helpful to have our assumptions validated with an email showing support for the draft. You’ll note that the nominal public comment period is 40 days. My strong preference is NOT to extend this comment period and would appreciate it if you could make this known to your respective groups. It’s been a while since we last spoke and I would once again like to thank you all for the important contributions you have made to this effort over the past few years. Special mention to Saewon and Dan who have stepped and provided us with seamless support as Ariel moves to her new role. Thanks again everyone Donna From: Gnso-epdp-idn-team <gnso-epdp-idn-team-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Saewon Lee <saewon.lee@icann.org> Date: Friday, 5 April 2024 at 12:24 pm To: gnso-epdp-idn-team@icann.org <gnso-epdp-idn-team@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-epdp-idn-team] [EPDP-IDNs P2] Draft Initial Report - Request for Review Dear EPDP Team Members, Thank you all for your kind feedback related to the new contents that Steve shared last week. Please find attached the long-awaited draft of the P2 Initial Report (word doc.). With the report hot off the press, kindly note that the leadership team has not yet had the opportunity to fully review the report, but due to time limits, they will be doing so alongside the team. The Initial Report is scheduled to be published for Public Comment on 11 April 2024. Accordingly, the Staff would greatly appreciate all your kind review, providing feedback and comments, if any, by Tuesday, 9 April 2024 EOD, giving us a full day in preparation for publication. We look forward to your kind cooperation. Much appreciated, Steve, Ariel, Dan, and Saewon. Saewon Lee Policy Development Support Manager for GNSO Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Mobile: +1 (310) 463-5541 Email: saewon.lee@icann.org<mailto:saewon.lee@icann.org> Skype: saewon.lee.icann Website: www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org>
Hi Donna, hi all, I think we have to take the next 6 months to re-visit most of the recommendations in light of the new information and because ... ok, just kidding (I hope I didn't cause a heart attack for Donna). In general I'm also fine with going for public comment with the current version. There are some very minor points, that I found when reading the document, which should be easily fixable (if at all necessary). p.8 Section 2.3 says: "In addition, as IDN table harmonization was one of the most challenging topics for the EPDP Team during Phase 2, the members from the Registries Stakeholder Group (RySG) and ICANN org worked together collaboratively [...]". I believe one registrar representative also contributed to some of those discussions. If registrars were left out on purpose, e.g., because most of the work has been done by registries, then I'm also fine with leaving it the way it is. But if it simply was on oversight, we should probably add registrars in some way, too. In the Glossary (p.27), the definition of "Variant Domain Set" says: "The set of variant domain names that are derived from and also includes the source domain name." I think there is a grammatical error here and it should either be: "The set of variant domain names that IS derived from and also includes the source domain name." or The set of variant domain names that are derived from and also INCLUDE the source domain name." Depending on whether "that" refers to the "set" or the "variant domain names", but it should not be changed in the middle of the sentence. p.29, list of Charter Questions: I would suggest to always have a blank after a comma, just like in "Charter Questions G1, 1a"), otherwise it looks ugly (to me). p.137/138 membership and attendance I would suggest to add "Vice-Chair" to Justine's entry. Or at least Vice-Chair until XXX, and correspondingly state "Vice-Chair since XXX" to Farell's entry. I think Justine's long and helpful role as Vice-Chair should not be forgotten. Cheers, Michael -- ____________________________________________________________________ | | | knipp | Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH ------- Technologiepark Martin-Schmeisser-Weg 9 44227 Dortmund Germany Dipl.-Informatiker Fon: +49 231 9703-0 Fax: +49 231 9703-200 Dr. Michael Bauland SIP: Michael.Bauland@knipp.de Software Development E-mail: Michael.Bauland@knipp.de Register Court: Amtsgericht Dortmund, HRB 13728 Chief Executive Officers: Dietmar Knipp, Elmar Knipp
Thank you Michael, and yes some slight palpitations as I read your message. I look forward to comments from others, but I think we can accommodate most of your suggestions. Donna Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Apr 2024, at 5:53 pm, Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland@knipp.de> wrote:
Hi Donna, hi all,
I think we have to take the next 6 months to re-visit most of the recommendations in light of the new information and because ... ok, just kidding (I hope I didn't cause a heart attack for Donna). In general I'm also fine with going for public comment with the current version.
There are some very minor points, that I found when reading the document, which should be easily fixable (if at all necessary).
p.8 Section 2.3 says: "In addition, as IDN table harmonization was one of the most challenging topics for the EPDP Team during Phase 2, the members from the Registries Stakeholder Group (RySG) and ICANN org worked together collaboratively [...]".
I believe one registrar representative also contributed to some of those discussions. If registrars were left out on purpose, e.g., because most of the work has been done by registries, then I'm also fine with leaving it the way it is. But if it simply was on oversight, we should probably add registrars in some way, too.
In the Glossary (p.27), the definition of "Variant Domain Set" says: "The set of variant domain names that are derived from and also includes the source domain name." I think there is a grammatical error here and it should either be: "The set of variant domain names that IS derived from and also includes the source domain name." or The set of variant domain names that are derived from and also INCLUDE the source domain name." Depending on whether "that" refers to the "set" or the "variant domain names", but it should not be changed in the middle of the sentence.
p.29, list of Charter Questions: I would suggest to always have a blank after a comma, just like in "Charter Questions G1, 1a"), otherwise it looks ugly (to me).
p.137/138 membership and attendance I would suggest to add "Vice-Chair" to Justine's entry. Or at least Vice-Chair until XXX, and correspondingly state "Vice-Chair since XXX" to Farell's entry. I think Justine's long and helpful role as Vice-Chair should not be forgotten.
Cheers,
Michael
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Dear Donna and Michael, Thank you for your kind review and suggestions - we can definitely take Michael's suggestions on board and we greatly appreciate the thorough review. For the rest of the Team, please be reminded, once again, that we request your kind review and comments by tomorrow, 9 April EOD. As Donna suggested, we would also greatly appreciate any confirmation emails showing support for the draft. Kind regards, Steve, Ariel, Dan, and Saewon. ============ On 4/8/24, 6:15 AM, "Gnso-epdp-idn-team on behalf of Donna austin" <gnso-epdp-idn-team-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-epdp-idn-team-bounces@icann.org> <mailto:gnso-epdp-idn-team-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-epdp-idn-team-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of DonnaAustin605@hotmail.com <mailto:DonnaAustin605@hotmail.com> <mailto:DonnaAustin605@hotmail.com <mailto:DonnaAustin605@hotmail.com>>> wrote: Thank you Michael, and yes some slight palpitations as I read your message. I look forward to comments from others, but I think we can accommodate most of your suggestions. Donna Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Apr 2024, at 5:53 pm, Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland@knipp.de <mailto:Michael.Bauland@knipp.de> <mailto:Michael.Bauland@knipp.de <mailto:Michael.Bauland@knipp.de>>> wrote:
Hi Donna, hi all,
I think we have to take the next 6 months to re-visit most of the recommendations in light of the new information and because ... ok, just kidding (I hope I didn't cause a heart attack for Donna). In general I'm also fine with going for public comment with the current version.
There are some very minor points, that I found when reading the document, which should be easily fixable (if at all necessary).
p.8 Section 2.3 says: "In addition, as IDN table harmonization was one of the most challenging topics for the EPDP Team during Phase 2, the members from the Registries Stakeholder Group (RySG) and ICANN org worked together collaboratively [...]".
I believe one registrar representative also contributed to some of those discussions. If registrars were left out on purpose, e.g., because most of the work has been done by registries, then I'm also fine with leaving it the way it is. But if it simply was on oversight, we should probably add registrars in some way, too.
In the Glossary (p.27), the definition of "Variant Domain Set" says: "The set of variant domain names that are derived from and also includes the source domain name." I think there is a grammatical error here and it should either be: "The set of variant domain names that IS derived from and also includes the source domain name." or The set of variant domain names that are derived from and also INCLUDE the source domain name." Depending on whether "that" refers to the "set" or the "variant domain names", but it should not be changed in the middle of the sentence.
p.29, list of Charter Questions: I would suggest to always have a blank after a comma, just like in "Charter Questions G1, 1a"), otherwise it looks ugly (to me).
p.137/138 membership and attendance I would suggest to add "Vice-Chair" to Justine's entry. Or at least Vice-Chair until XXX, and correspondingly state "Vice-Chair since XXX" to Farell's entry. I think Justine's long and helpful role as Vice-Chair should not be forgotten.
Cheers,
Michael
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Donna and colleagues Good evening and many apologies for this very late response. The Initial Report is a substantial piece of work and a tribute to your work and guidance, and of course the brilliant ICANN team. Think Michael has made some valuable points below, though have not had time to go through all of them. Think would be good to move forward and seek comments from Community. Best Nigel -----Original Message----- From: Gnso-epdp-idn-team <gnso-epdp-idn-team-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Donna austin Sent: Monday, April 8, 2024 11:15 AM To: Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland@knipp.de> Cc: gnso-epdp-idn-team@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-idn-team] [EPDP-IDNs P2] Draft Initial Report - Request for Review Thank you Michael, and yes some slight palpitations as I read your message. I look forward to comments from others, but I think we can accommodate most of your suggestions. Donna Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Apr 2024, at 5:53 pm, Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland@knipp.de> wrote:
Hi Donna, hi all,
I think we have to take the next 6 months to re-visit most of the recommendations in light of the new information and because ... ok, just kidding (I hope I didn't cause a heart attack for Donna). In general I'm also fine with going for public comment with the current version.
There are some very minor points, that I found when reading the document, which should be easily fixable (if at all necessary).
p.8 Section 2.3 says: "In addition, as IDN table harmonization was one of the most challenging topics for the EPDP Team during Phase 2, the members from the Registries Stakeholder Group (RySG) and ICANN org worked together collaboratively [...]".
I believe one registrar representative also contributed to some of those discussions. If registrars were left out on purpose, e.g., because most of the work has been done by registries, then I'm also fine with leaving it the way it is. But if it simply was on oversight, we should probably add registrars in some way, too.
In the Glossary (p.27), the definition of "Variant Domain Set" says: "The set of variant domain names that are derived from and also includes the source domain name." I think there is a grammatical error here and it should either be: "The set of variant domain names that IS derived from and also includes the source domain name." or The set of variant domain names that are derived from and also INCLUDE the source domain name." Depending on whether "that" refers to the "set" or the "variant domain names", but it should not be changed in the middle of the sentence.
p.29, list of Charter Questions: I would suggest to always have a blank after a comma, just like in "Charter Questions G1, 1a"), otherwise it looks ugly (to me).
p.137/138 membership and attendance I would suggest to add "Vice-Chair" to Justine's entry. Or at least Vice-Chair until XXX, and correspondingly state "Vice-Chair since XXX" to Farell's entry. I think Justine's long and helpful role as Vice-Chair should not be forgotten.
Cheers,
Michael
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Thank you Nigel Sent from my iPhone
On 10 Apr 2024, at 7:53 am, Hickson, Nigel (DSIT) <nigel.hickson@dsit.gov.uk> wrote:
Donna and colleagues
Good evening and many apologies for this very late response. The Initial Report is a substantial piece of work and a tribute to your work and guidance, and of course the brilliant ICANN team.
Think Michael has made some valuable points below, though have not had time to go through all of them. Think would be good to move forward and seek comments from Community.
Best
Nigel
-----Original Message----- From: Gnso-epdp-idn-team <gnso-epdp-idn-team-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Donna austin Sent: Monday, April 8, 2024 11:15 AM To: Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland@knipp.de> Cc: gnso-epdp-idn-team@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-idn-team] [EPDP-IDNs P2] Draft Initial Report - Request for Review
Thank you Michael, and yes some slight palpitations as I read your message.
I look forward to comments from others, but I think we can accommodate most of your suggestions.
Donna Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Apr 2024, at 5:53 pm, Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland@knipp.de> wrote:
Hi Donna, hi all,
I think we have to take the next 6 months to re-visit most of the recommendations in light of the new information and because ... ok, just kidding (I hope I didn't cause a heart attack for Donna). In general I'm also fine with going for public comment with the current version.
There are some very minor points, that I found when reading the document, which should be easily fixable (if at all necessary).
p.8 Section 2.3 says: "In addition, as IDN table harmonization was one of the most challenging topics for the EPDP Team during Phase 2, the members from the Registries Stakeholder Group (RySG) and ICANN org worked together collaboratively [...]".
I believe one registrar representative also contributed to some of those discussions. If registrars were left out on purpose, e.g., because most of the work has been done by registries, then I'm also fine with leaving it the way it is. But if it simply was on oversight, we should probably add registrars in some way, too.
In the Glossary (p.27), the definition of "Variant Domain Set" says: "The set of variant domain names that are derived from and also includes the source domain name." I think there is a grammatical error here and it should either be: "The set of variant domain names that IS derived from and also includes the source domain name." or The set of variant domain names that are derived from and also INCLUDE the source domain name." Depending on whether "that" refers to the "set" or the "variant domain names", but it should not be changed in the middle of the sentence.
p.29, list of Charter Questions: I would suggest to always have a blank after a comma, just like in "Charter Questions G1, 1a"), otherwise it looks ugly (to me).
p.137/138 membership and attendance I would suggest to add "Vice-Chair" to Justine's entry. Or at least Vice-Chair until XXX, and correspondingly state "Vice-Chair since XXX" to Farell's entry. I think Justine's long and helpful role as Vice-Chair should not be forgotten.
Cheers,
Michael
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Hi Saewon and EPDP Team, Thanks for the leadership team and staff for compiling another huge report. I reviewed the draft Phase 2 Initial Report and agree to post it for public comment. Before we go, I made some very minor edits for your review. Please see the side comments in the attached document. Edits were in Page 1, 66 and 78. Thanks. Best Zuan ________________________________ 发件人: Gnso-epdp-idn-team <gnso-epdp-idn-team-bounces@icann.org> 代表 Saewon Lee <saewon.lee@icann.org> 发送时间: 2024年4月5日 9:24 收件人: gnso-epdp-idn-team@icann.org <gnso-epdp-idn-team@icann.org> 主题: [Gnso-epdp-idn-team] [EPDP-IDNs P2] Draft Initial Report - Request for Review Dear EPDP Team Members, Thank you all for your kind feedback related to the new contents that Steve shared last week. Please find attached the long-awaited draft of the P2 Initial Report (word doc.). With the report hot off the press, kindly note that the leadership team has not yet had the opportunity to fully review the report, but due to time limits, they will be doing so alongside the team. The Initial Report is scheduled to be published for Public Comment on 11 April 2024. Accordingly, the Staff would greatly appreciate all your kind review, providing feedback and comments, if any, by Tuesday, 9 April 2024 EOD, giving us a full day in preparation for publication. We look forward to your kind cooperation. Much appreciated, Steve, Ariel, Dan, and Saewon. Saewon Lee Policy Development Support Manager for GNSO Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Mobile: +1 (310) 463-5541 Email: saewon.lee@icann.org<mailto:saewon.lee@icann.org> Skype: saewon.lee.icann Website: www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org>
Hello Saewonn & team, Thank you for sharing the draft and for your diligent work in preparing it for review. After careful consideration, I would like to inform you that my group, the NCSG, has raised no substantial objections or concerns regarding the content presented. We are supportive of moving forward with the publication as planned. I apologize for the delay in our response. Kind regards, Emmanuel Sent from iPhone. Excuse brevity and typos. On Fri 5 Apr 2024 at 01:24, Saewon Lee <saewon.lee@icann.org> wrote:
Dear EPDP Team Members,
Thank you all for your kind feedback related to the new contents that Steve shared last week.
*Please find attached the long-awaited draft of the P2 Initial Report (word doc.).* With the report hot off the press, kindly note that the leadership team has not yet had the opportunity to fully review the report, but due to time limits, they will be doing so alongside the team.
The Initial Report is scheduled to be published for Public Comment on 11 April 2024. Accordingly, *the Staff would greatly appreciate all your kind review, providing feedback and comments, if any, **by Tuesday, 9 April 2024 EOD,* giving us a full day in preparation for publication.
We look forward to your kind cooperation.
Much appreciated,
Steve, Ariel, Dan, and Saewon.
*Saewon Lee*
Policy Development Support Manager for GNSO
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
*Mobile:* +1 (310) 463-5541
*Email:* saewon.lee@icann.org
*Skype:* saewon.lee.icann
*Website:* www.icann.org
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