Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] FW: Extension of time until August 24, 2020 for Minority Statements
Rafik, You may not have the authority to change it but you in your role of GNSO Council Liaison, you do have the authority to being the request to the Council Chair and the Council. This report not being considered by the Council until September is fine. Perhaps there can be a smaller extension and then use the mechanisms you suggest. On those, a Wiki link is NOT acceptable. The statements need to be integrated into the report. I STRONGLY suggest that past whatever the initial publication deadline is, you publish a REVISED report incorporating new statements no less than once a week. That way whenever someone pulls the report, they get the most recent version. The effort to insert a statement and recreate the PDF is minimal and this gives the minority statement the respect that they are due. Alan At 2020-07-25 04:52 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
hi,
As you know, we were asked by the GNSO council to submit a final report by 31st July at the latest. I don't have the mandate or the ability to change that.
However to respond to this request to the extent of possible and permissible, we will have a wiki page where minority statements will get posted and include that link in an annex to the Final Report. The other option in the same fashion would be to get the annex attached to the final report when ready and still submitting the final report by the deadline. Whatever is received by the deadline will go in immediately into the report and anything after that will just get added later. This would allow for a timely submission of the Final Report, while groups can still take time to finalize their minority statements. I will communicate clearly to the GNSO Council when the final report is submitted that other minority statements are still forthcoming.
The deadline for submissions is 24th August but I strongly urge groups to submit theirs when ready and not waiting till the last minute. That will help for GNSO council consideration in a timely manner. I will also note that Council would only be able to start considering at the earliest in September instead of August.
Best Regards,
Rafik
Le sam. 25 juil. 2020 à 01:40, Kapin, Laureen via Gnso-epdp-team <<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> a écrit :
Dear colleagues,
Please note our request for more time to complete Minority Statements.
Kind regards,
Laureen Kapin
Counsel for International Consumer Protection
Federal Trade Commission
(202) 326-3237
From: Kapin, Laureen Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 12:36 PM To: Rafik Dammak <<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com>rafik.dammak@gmail.com> Cc: Marika Konings <<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>marika.konings@icann.org>; '<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca' <<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>; Margie Milam <<mailto:margiemilam@fb.com>margiemilam@fb.com>; King, Brian (<mailto:Brian.King@markmonitor.com>Brian.King@markmonitor.com) <<mailto:Brian.King@markmonitor.com>Brian.King@markmonitor.com>; LEWIS-EVANS, Christopher <<mailto:Christopher.Lewis-Evans@nca.gov.uk>Christopher.Lewis-Evans@nca.gov.uk>; <mailto:Georgios.TSELENTIS@ec.europa.eu>Georgios.TSELENTIS@ec.europa.eu; Manal Ismail (<mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg>manal@tra.gov.eg) <<mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg>manal@tra.gov.eg> Subject: Extension of time until August 24, 2020 for Minority Statements
Dear Rafik,
On behalf of the GAC, ALAC, BC, and IPC, we are requesting until August 24th to submit our Minority Statements. Regrettably, the final stages of this process were quite rushed as stakeholder groups were asked to review, digest, and confer over large amounts of material that raised complex issues. Over the last week, we attempted to identify and prioritize our concerns and resolve the scores of remaining issues. Despite three lengthy meetings, there was not sufficient time to discuss, much less resolve many crucial matters. Notably, we barely discussed the important category of issues that stakeholder groups would like to see changed. There was also considerable confusion over the final resolution of certain issues.
As a result, we will need time to carefully review the now final version of the EPDP Report to pinpoint and finalize what will comprise the issues included in our minority statements. Like other stakeholder groups, the GAC has formal procedures for conferring with our members. This is an iterative process that requires time for membership to review proposed text, ask questions, and consider revisions until a final agreement is reached. This task is made more difficult due to the complexity of the subject matter and intervening religious and summer holidays. The Minority Statements are a crucial part of the multistakeholder model and for many groups will be the only opportunity to express and explain their concerns as part of the Final Report. Accordingly, we will need until August 24th to complete this important responsibility. We will try to submit our Minority Statements earlier than that if possible. We appreciate your understanding.
Kind regards,
Laureen Kapin
Counsel for International Consumer Protection
Federal Trade Commission
(202) 326-3237
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In my humble opinion, everyone desirous of publishing a minority report should have their texts written already. It is not like the latest changes were so substantive as to change the meaning of the recommendations. If there is a general problem with a recommendation, everyone could have realized that weeks ago; months for some of the recs. To demand more time now as a tool to force further delay seems to border on the abusive. So my suggestion is: Have it ready by the deadline or forfeit your right to have it included in the report. Best, -- Volker A. Greimann General Counsel and Policy Manager *KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH* T: +49 6894 9396901 M: +49 6894 9396851 F: +49 6894 9396851 W: www.key-systems.net Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835 CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 5:28 PM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Rafik,
You may not have the authority to change it but you in your role of GNSO Council Liaison, you do have the authority to being the request to the Council Chair and the Council. This report not being considered by the Council until September is fine. Perhaps there can be a smaller extension and then use the mechanisms you suggest.
On those, a Wiki link is NOT acceptable. The statements need to be integrated into the report.
I STRONGLY suggest that past whatever the initial publication deadline is, you publish a REVISED report incorporating new statements no less than once a week. That way whenever someone pulls the report, they get the most recent version. The effort to insert a statement and recreate the PDF is minimal and this gives the minority statement the respect that they are due.
Alan
At 2020-07-25 04:52 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
hi,
As you know, we were asked by the GNSO council to submit a final report by 31st July at the latest. I don't have the mandate or the ability to change that.
However to respond to this request to the extent of possible and permissible, we will have a wiki page where minority statements will get posted and include that link in an annex to the Final Report. The other option in the same fashion would be to get the annex attached to the final report when ready and still submitting the final report by the deadline. Whatever is received by the deadline will go in immediately into the report and anything after that will just get added later. This would allow for a timely submission of the Final Report, while groups can still take time to finalize their minority statements. I will communicate clearly to the GNSO Council when the final report is submitted that other minority statements are still forthcoming.
The deadline for submissions is 24th August but I strongly urge groups to submit theirs when ready and not waiting till the last minute. That will help for GNSO council consideration in a timely manner. I will also note that Council would only be able to start considering at the earliest in September instead of August.
Best Regards,
Rafik
Le sam. 25 juil. 2020 à 01:40, Kapin, Laureen via Gnso-epdp-team < gnso-epdp-team@icann.org > a écrit :
Dear colleagues,
Please note our request for more time to complete Minority Statements.
Kind regards,
Laureen Kapin
Counsel for International Consumer Protection
Federal Trade Commission
(202) 326-3237
From: Kapin, Laureen Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 12:36 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com > Cc: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org >; 'alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca' <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca >; Margie Milam <margiemilam@fb.com>; King, Brian ( Brian.King@markmonitor.com) < Brian.King@markmonitor.com>; LEWIS-EVANS, Christopher < Christopher.Lewis-Evans@nca.gov.uk>; Georgios.TSELENTIS@ec.europa.eu; Manal Ismail (manal@tra.gov.eg) < manal@tra.gov.eg> Subject: Extension of time until August 24, 2020 for Minority Statements
Dear Rafik,
On behalf of the GAC, ALAC, BC, and IPC, we are requesting until August 24th to submit our Minority Statements. Regrettably, the final stages of this process were quite rushed as stakeholder groups were asked to review, digest, and confer over large amounts of material that raised complex issues. Over the last week, we attempted to identify and prioritize our concerns and resolve the scores of remaining issues. Despite three lengthy meetings, there was not sufficient time to discuss, much less resolve many crucial matters. Notably, we barely discussed the important category of issues that stakeholder groups would like to see changed. There was also considerable confusion over the final resolution of certain issues.
As a result, we will need time to carefully review the now final version of the EPDP Report to pinpoint and finalize what will comprise the issues included in our minority statements. Like other stakeholder groups, the GAC has formal procedures for conferring with our members. This is an iterative process that requires time for membership to review proposed text, ask questions, and consider revisions until a final agreement is reached. This task is made more difficult due to the complexity of the subject matter and intervening religious and summer holidays. The Minority Statements are a crucial part of the multistakeholder model and for many groups will be the only opportunity to express and explain their concerns as part of the Final Report. Accordingly, we will need until August 24th to complete this important responsibility. We will try to submit our Minority Statements earlier than that if possible. We appreciate your understanding.
Kind regards,
Laureen Kapin
Counsel for International Consumer Protection
Federal Trade Commission
(202) 326-3237
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I think it's OK for you to take your time and write Minority Reports after the final conclusion of the consensus process. It is good to have those on the record. If they don't get written in time to be put into the final report, they can be added to the website as part of the final report later. I think what Volker fears is that this isn't actually about your ability to write the report, but is a deliberate attempt to delay Council approval of the final report. I'm of the opinion that you are making an innocent request to have more time to write your minority report; I don't believe that this is an attempt to derail the Council's work. But it would be helpful if you could be so kind as to reaffirm your willingness to bring this report to the Council on time for a vote. Could you do that, please? ________________________________ From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 11:37 AM To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Cc: GNSO EPDP <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] FW: Extension of time until August 24, 2020 for Minority Statements In my humble opinion, everyone desirous of publishing a minority report should have their texts written already. It is not like the latest changes were so substantive as to change the meaning of the recommendations. If there is a general problem with a recommendation, everyone could have realized that weeks ago; months for some of the recs. To demand more time now as a tool to force further delay seems to border on the abusive. So my suggestion is: Have it ready by the deadline or forfeit your right to have it included in the report. Best, -- Volker A. Greimann General Counsel and Policy Manager KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH T: +49 6894 9396901 M: +49 6894 9396851 F: +49 6894 9396851 W: www.key-systems.net<http://www.key-systems.net/> Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835 CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 5:28 PM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> wrote: Rafik, You may not have the authority to change it but you in your role of GNSO Council Liaison, you do have the authority to being the request to the Council Chair and the Council. This report not being considered by the Council until September is fine. Perhaps there can be a smaller extension and then use the mechanisms you suggest. On those, a Wiki link is NOT acceptable. The statements need to be integrated into the report. I STRONGLY suggest that past whatever the initial publication deadline is, you publish a REVISED report incorporating new statements no less than once a week. That way whenever someone pulls the report, they get the most recent version. The effort to insert a statement and recreate the PDF is minimal and this gives the minority statement the respect that they are due. Alan At 2020-07-25 04:52 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote: hi, As you know, we were asked by the GNSO council to submit a final report by 31st July at the latest. I don't have the mandate or the ability to change that. However to respond to this request to the extent of possible and permissible, we will have a wiki page where minority statements will get posted and include that link in an annex to the Final Report. The other option in the same fashion would be to get the annex attached to the final report when ready and still submitting the final report by the deadline. Whatever is received by the deadline will go in immediately into the report and anything after that will just get added later. This would allow for a timely submission of the Final Report, while groups can still take time to finalize their minority statements. I will communicate clearly to the GNSO Council when the final report is submitted that other minority statements are still forthcoming. The deadline for submissions is 24th August but I strongly urge groups to submit theirs when ready and not waiting till the last minute. That will help for GNSO council consideration in a timely manner. I will also note that Council would only be able to start considering at the earliest in September instead of August. Best Regards, Rafik Le sam. 25 juil. 2020 à 01:40, Kapin, Laureen via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> > a écrit : Dear colleagues, Please note our request for more time to complete Minority Statements. Kind regards, Laureen Kapin Counsel for International Consumer Protection Federal Trade Commission (202) 326-3237 From: Kapin, Laureen Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 12:36 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> > Cc: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org> >; 'alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>' <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> >; Margie Milam <margiemilam@fb.com<mailto:margiemilam@fb.com>>; King, Brian ( Brian.King@markmonitor.com<mailto:Brian.King@markmonitor.com>) < Brian.King@markmonitor.com<mailto:Brian.King@markmonitor.com>>; LEWIS-EVANS, Christopher < Christopher.Lewis-Evans@nca.gov.uk<mailto:Christopher.Lewis-Evans@nca.gov.uk>>; Georgios.TSELENTIS@ec.europa.eu<mailto:Georgios.TSELENTIS@ec.europa.eu>; Manal Ismail (manal@tra.gov.eg<mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg>) <manal@tra.gov.eg<mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg>> Subject: Extension of time until August 24, 2020 for Minority Statements Dear Rafik, On behalf of the GAC, ALAC, BC, and IPC, we are requesting until August 24th to submit our Minority Statements. Regrettably, the final stages of this process were quite rushed as stakeholder groups were asked to review, digest, and confer over large amounts of material that raised complex issues. Over the last week, we attempted to identify and prioritize our concerns and resolve the scores of remaining issues. Despite three lengthy meetings, there was not sufficient time to discuss, much less resolve many crucial matters. Notably, we barely discussed the important category of issues that stakeholder groups would like to see changed. There was also considerable confusion over the final resolution of certain issues. As a result, we will need time to carefully review the now final version of the EPDP Report to pinpoint and finalize what will comprise the issues included in our minority statements. Like other stakeholder groups, the GAC has formal procedures for conferring with our members. This is an iterative process that requires time for membership to review proposed text, ask questions, and consider revisions until a final agreement is reached. This task is made more difficult due to the complexity of the subject matter and intervening religious and summer holidays. The Minority Statements are a crucial part of the multistakeholder model and for many groups will be the only opportunity to express and explain their concerns as part of the Final Report. Accordingly, we will need until August 24th to complete this important responsibility. We will try to submit our Minority Statements earlier than that if possible. We appreciate your understanding. Kind regards, Laureen Kapin Counsel for International Consumer Protection Federal Trade Commission (202) 326-3237 _______________________________________________ Gnso-epdp-team mailing list Gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-epdp-team _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). 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Thank you Milton for this constructive suggestion. We do not wish to delay the Council's vote. Even with the extension, the GNSO will still receive the Minority Statements in time for a vote in September, and in the meantime time may also consider the consensus designations. Rafik, in addition to the web link you describe below, we request that staff publish an Updated Version of the Final Recommendations that includes all submitted Minority Statements in the Appendix. We recommend making that updated version available as soon as possible after submission of the last Minority Report or August 24th (whichever is later). Kind regards, Laureen Kapin Counsel for International Consumer Protection Federal Trade Commission (202) 326-3237 From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Mueller, Milton L Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 4:56 PM To: Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net>; Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Cc: GNSO EPDP <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] FW: Extension of time until August 24, 2020 for Minority Statements I think it's OK for you to take your time and write Minority Reports after the final conclusion of the consensus process. It is good to have those on the record. If they don't get written in time to be put into the final report, they can be added to the website as part of the final report later. I think what Volker fears is that this isn't actually about your ability to write the report, but is a deliberate attempt to delay Council approval of the final report. I'm of the opinion that you are making an innocent request to have more time to write your minority report; I don't believe that this is an attempt to derail the Council's work. But it would be helpful if you could be so kind as to reaffirm your willingness to bring this report to the Council on time for a vote. Could you do that, please? ________________________________ From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 11:37 AM To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Cc: GNSO EPDP <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] FW: Extension of time until August 24, 2020 for Minority Statements In my humble opinion, everyone desirous of publishing a minority report should have their texts written already. It is not like the latest changes were so substantive as to change the meaning of the recommendations. If there is a general problem with a recommendation, everyone could have realized that weeks ago; months for some of the recs. To demand more time now as a tool to force further delay seems to border on the abusive. So my suggestion is: Have it ready by the deadline or forfeit your right to have it included in the report. Best, -- Volker A. Greimann General Counsel and Policy Manager KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH T: +49 6894 9396901 M: +49 6894 9396851 F: +49 6894 9396851 W: www.key-systems.net<http://www.key-systems.net/> Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835 CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 5:28 PM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>> wrote: Rafik, You may not have the authority to change it but you in your role of GNSO Council Liaison, you do have the authority to being the request to the Council Chair and the Council. This report not being considered by the Council until September is fine. Perhaps there can be a smaller extension and then use the mechanisms you suggest. On those, a Wiki link is NOT acceptable. The statements need to be integrated into the report. I STRONGLY suggest that past whatever the initial publication deadline is, you publish a REVISED report incorporating new statements no less than once a week. That way whenever someone pulls the report, they get the most recent version. The effort to insert a statement and recreate the PDF is minimal and this gives the minority statement the respect that they are due. Alan At 2020-07-25 04:52 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote: hi, As you know, we were asked by the GNSO council to submit a final report by 31st July at the latest. I don't have the mandate or the ability to change that. However to respond to this request to the extent of possible and permissible, we will have a wiki page where minority statements will get posted and include that link in an annex to the Final Report. The other option in the same fashion would be to get the annex attached to the final report when ready and still submitting the final report by the deadline. Whatever is received by the deadline will go in immediately into the report and anything after that will just get added later. This would allow for a timely submission of the Final Report, while groups can still take time to finalize their minority statements. I will communicate clearly to the GNSO Council when the final report is submitted that other minority statements are still forthcoming. The deadline for submissions is 24th August but I strongly urge groups to submit theirs when ready and not waiting till the last minute. That will help for GNSO council consideration in a timely manner. I will also note that Council would only be able to start considering at the earliest in September instead of August. Best Regards, Rafik Le sam. 25 juil. 2020 à 01:40, Kapin, Laureen via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> > a écrit : Dear colleagues, Please note our request for more time to complete Minority Statements. Kind regards, Laureen Kapin Counsel for International Consumer Protection Federal Trade Commission (202) 326-3237 From: Kapin, Laureen Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 12:36 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com> > Cc: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org> >; 'alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>' <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> >; Margie Milam <margiemilam@fb.com<mailto:margiemilam@fb.com>>; King, Brian ( Brian.King@markmonitor.com<mailto:Brian.King@markmonitor.com>) < Brian.King@markmonitor.com<mailto:Brian.King@markmonitor.com>>; LEWIS-EVANS, Christopher < Christopher.Lewis-Evans@nca.gov.uk<mailto:Christopher.Lewis-Evans@nca.gov.uk>>; Georgios.TSELENTIS@ec.europa.eu<mailto:Georgios.TSELENTIS@ec.europa.eu>; Manal Ismail (manal@tra.gov.eg<mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg>) <manal@tra.gov.eg<mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg>> Subject: Extension of time until August 24, 2020 for Minority Statements Dear Rafik, On behalf of the GAC, ALAC, BC, and IPC, we are requesting until August 24th to submit our Minority Statements. Regrettably, the final stages of this process were quite rushed as stakeholder groups were asked to review, digest, and confer over large amounts of material that raised complex issues. Over the last week, we attempted to identify and prioritize our concerns and resolve the scores of remaining issues. Despite three lengthy meetings, there was not sufficient time to discuss, much less resolve many crucial matters. Notably, we barely discussed the important category of issues that stakeholder groups would like to see changed. There was also considerable confusion over the final resolution of certain issues. As a result, we will need time to carefully review the now final version of the EPDP Report to pinpoint and finalize what will comprise the issues included in our minority statements. Like other stakeholder groups, the GAC has formal procedures for conferring with our members. This is an iterative process that requires time for membership to review proposed text, ask questions, and consider revisions until a final agreement is reached. This task is made more difficult due to the complexity of the subject matter and intervening religious and summer holidays. The Minority Statements are a crucial part of the multistakeholder model and for many groups will be the only opportunity to express and explain their concerns as part of the Final Report. Accordingly, we will need until August 24th to complete this important responsibility. We will try to submit our Minority Statements earlier than that if possible. We appreciate your understanding. 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Hi,
On Jul 25, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> wrote:
Rafik,
You may not have the authority to change it but you in your role of GNSO Council Liaison, you do have the authority to being the request to the Council Chair and the Council.
No…, he has a duty in his capacity of liaison to bring to the Chartering Org questions/requests on behalf of the Team, but does not have the authority to bring to it requests by a subset of the Team. Thanks. Amr
Alan, Regarding the request to council, I cannot do that for 2 simple reasons: - as council liaison, I can go with a query to GNSO council if the EPDP team requests me to do that. I don't think that is the case since there is no agreement on this query. - I sent the last PCR (Project Change Request) which is the new escalation process introduced by PDP 3.0. I had to explain in the June council meeting about the rationale and impact of the extension. The approval of PCR was not easy and it was made pretty clear there is no more extension after 31st july. I don't believe that insisting on asking for another extension is respectful or useful of GNSO council time. Before responding to the request about the minority statement, I also discussed with the rest of GNSO council leadership team Keith and Pam for a sanity check and they agreed with my proposal and reiterated that 31st July is the deadline for the final report. I think we have a clear and workable path to accommodate for the minority statement submission. We will go with the option to update the final report with newly submitted minority statements. The deadline for final report delivery stands. Again I urge groups to submit their minority statements asap. Best, Rafik Le dim. 26 juil. 2020 à 00:28, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> a écrit :
Rafik,
You may not have the authority to change it but you in your role of GNSO Council Liaison, you do have the authority to being the request to the Council Chair and the Council. This report not being considered by the Council until September is fine. Perhaps there can be a smaller extension and then use the mechanisms you suggest.
On those, a Wiki link is NOT acceptable. The statements need to be integrated into the report.
I STRONGLY suggest that past whatever the initial publication deadline is, you publish a REVISED report incorporating new statements no less than once a week. That way whenever someone pulls the report, they get the most recent version. The effort to insert a statement and recreate the PDF is minimal and this gives the minority statement the respect that they are due.
Alan
At 2020-07-25 04:52 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
hi,
As you know, we were asked by the GNSO council to submit a final report by 31st July at the latest. I don't have the mandate or the ability to change that.
However to respond to this request to the extent of possible and permissible, we will have a wiki page where minority statements will get posted and include that link in an annex to the Final Report. The other option in the same fashion would be to get the annex attached to the final report when ready and still submitting the final report by the deadline. Whatever is received by the deadline will go in immediately into the report and anything after that will just get added later. This would allow for a timely submission of the Final Report, while groups can still take time to finalize their minority statements. I will communicate clearly to the GNSO Council when the final report is submitted that other minority statements are still forthcoming.
The deadline for submissions is 24th August but I strongly urge groups to submit theirs when ready and not waiting till the last minute. That will help for GNSO council consideration in a timely manner. I will also note that Council would only be able to start considering at the earliest in September instead of August.
Best Regards,
Rafik
Le sam. 25 juil. 2020 à 01:40, Kapin, Laureen via Gnso-epdp-team < gnso-epdp-team@icann.org > a écrit :
Dear colleagues,
Please note our request for more time to complete Minority Statements.
Kind regards,
Laureen Kapin
Counsel for International Consumer Protection
Federal Trade Commission
(202) 326-3237
From: Kapin, Laureen Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 12:36 PM To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@gmail.com > Cc: Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org >; 'alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca' <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca >; Margie Milam <margiemilam@fb.com>; King, Brian ( Brian.King@markmonitor.com) < Brian.King@markmonitor.com>; LEWIS-EVANS, Christopher < Christopher.Lewis-Evans@nca.gov.uk>; Georgios.TSELENTIS@ec.europa.eu; Manal Ismail (manal@tra.gov.eg) < manal@tra.gov.eg> Subject: Extension of time until August 24, 2020 for Minority Statements
Dear Rafik,
On behalf of the GAC, ALAC, BC, and IPC, we are requesting until August 24th to submit our Minority Statements. Regrettably, the final stages of this process were quite rushed as stakeholder groups were asked to review, digest, and confer over large amounts of material that raised complex issues. Over the last week, we attempted to identify and prioritize our concerns and resolve the scores of remaining issues. Despite three lengthy meetings, there was not sufficient time to discuss, much less resolve many crucial matters. Notably, we barely discussed the important category of issues that stakeholder groups would like to see changed. There was also considerable confusion over the final resolution of certain issues.
As a result, we will need time to carefully review the now final version of the EPDP Report to pinpoint and finalize what will comprise the issues included in our minority statements. Like other stakeholder groups, the GAC has formal procedures for conferring with our members. This is an iterative process that requires time for membership to review proposed text, ask questions, and consider revisions until a final agreement is reached. This task is made more difficult due to the complexity of the subject matter and intervening religious and summer holidays. The Minority Statements are a crucial part of the multistakeholder model and for many groups will be the only opportunity to express and explain their concerns as part of the Final Report. Accordingly, we will need until August 24th to complete this important responsibility. We will try to submit our Minority Statements earlier than that if possible. We appreciate your understanding.
Kind regards,
Laureen Kapin
Counsel for International Consumer Protection
Federal Trade Commission
(202) 326-3237
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Alan Greenberg -
Amr Elsadr -
Kapin, Laureen -
Mueller, Milton L -
Rafik Dammak -
Volker Greimann