Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] About the "Issues sheet"
Milton and Team: The agenda message had three attachments: 1. an issues list, where groups may populate items within the report that they cannot live with, 2. a red-lined word doc that does not contain line numbers, but shows the updates made as a result of agreements reached during the F2F, and 3. a clean PDF with line numbers. You may view the line numbers via the PDF. Thank you. Best regards, Marika, Berry, and Caitlin From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of "Mueller, Milton L" <milton@gatech.edu> Date: Monday, February 3, 2020 at 11:49 AM To: "gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-epdp-team] About the "Issues sheet" Caitlin, The issues sheet asks for “line numbers” to help specify where the text we are concerned about is. However, in the Word document with the draft report, I do not see any line numbers. Am I looking at the wrong thing? Should I see them on the draft, or should I use other indicators, such as section X.Y, bullet point 3, line 2, for example? Dr. Milton L Mueller School of Public Policy Georgia Institute of Technology
Dear Team members, Pls approach this exercise as a proof reading of the Initial Report rather than attempt to re-open agreements of LA. In remaining few hours we will not be able to re-negotiate sometimes delicate compromises that we coined during hours and hours of collective and small groups conversations. Another thing is to engage in discussions of real cases for possible automated disclosure that we didn't have a chance to discuss in details in LA. Hope that current debate is contributing to a solution that we can endorse on Thursday. Thank you for understanding JK On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:12 PM Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org> wrote:
Milton and Team:
The agenda message had three attachments:
1. an issues list, where groups may populate items within the report that they cannot live with,
2. a red-lined word doc that does not contain line numbers, but shows the updates made as a result of agreements reached during the F2F, and
3. a clean PDF with line numbers.
You may view the line numbers via the PDF.
Thank you.
Best regards,
Marika, Berry, and Caitlin
*From: *Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of "Mueller, Milton L" <milton@gatech.edu> *Date: *Monday, February 3, 2020 at 11:49 AM *To: *"gnso-epdp-team@icann.org" <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> *Subject: *[Gnso-epdp-team] About the "Issues sheet"
Caitlin,
The issues sheet asks for “line numbers” to help specify where the text we are concerned about is. However, in the Word document with the draft report, I do not see any line numbers.
Am I looking at the wrong thing? Should I see them on the draft, or should I use other indicators, such as section X.Y, bullet point 3, line 2, for example?
Dr. Milton L Mueller
School of Public Policy
Georgia Institute of Technology
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Two responses: 1. There are many things that you may think were “agreements in LA” that were not agreements but agreements to disagree 2. If we are merely finalizing the initial report then the current debate about which uses cases can be automated is out of bounds Thursday. MM From: Janis Karklins <karklinsj@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 3:42 PM To: Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org> Cc: Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu>; gnso-epdp-team@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] About the "Issues sheet" Dear Team members, Pls approach this exercise as a proof reading of the Initial Report rather than attempt to re-open agreements of LA. In remaining few hours we will not be able to re-negotiate sometimes delicate compromises that we coined during hours and hours of collective and small groups conversations. Another thing is to engage in discussions of real cases for possible automated disclosure that we didn't have a chance to discuss in details in LA. Hope that current debate is contributing to a solution that we can endorse on Thursday. Thank you for understanding JK On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:12 PM Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org<mailto:caitlin.tubergen@icann.org>> wrote: Milton and Team: The agenda message had three attachments: 1. an issues list, where groups may populate items within the report that they cannot live with, 2. a red-lined word doc that does not contain line numbers, but shows the updates made as a result of agreements reached during the F2F, and 3. a clean PDF with line numbers. You may view the line numbers via the PDF. Thank you. Best regards, Marika, Berry, and Caitlin From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of "Mueller, Milton L" <milton@gatech.edu<mailto:milton@gatech.edu>> Date: Monday, February 3, 2020 at 11:49 AM To: "gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>" <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> Subject: [Gnso-epdp-team] About the "Issues sheet" Caitlin, The issues sheet asks for “line numbers” to help specify where the text we are concerned about is. However, in the Word document with the draft report, I do not see any line numbers. Am I looking at the wrong thing? Should I see them on the draft, or should I use other indicators, such as section X.Y, bullet point 3, line 2, for example? Dr. Milton L Mueller School of Public Policy Georgia Institute of Technology _______________________________________________ Gnso-epdp-team mailing list Gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-epdp-team _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Hi all, I think I agree with Milton’s second point. If we’re finalizing the Initial Report on Thursday (hooray!), we shouldn’t get bogged down with a substantive discussion on the various automatable use cases. It seems that conversation won’t yet lead to harmonious consensus. As a procedural matter, we should include in the Initial Report the various use cases we are considering automating, and to be fair “or not automating.” I believe Mark Sv is sending an updated version of this around shortly. I’m not the expert on GNSO procedures that some of our colleagues are, but I think it may be required to list these in the Initial Report and seek public comment even if we end up rejecting them. We could not, on the other hand, NOT list them and then publish a final report that includes them without first publishing an initial report that includes them. Right? Thanks! Brian J. King Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs T +1 443 761 3726 markmonitor.com<http://www.markmonitor.com> MarkMonitor Protecting companies and consumers in a digital world From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Mueller, Milton L Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 4:31 PM To: Janis Karklins <karklinsj@gmail.com>; Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org> Cc: gnso-epdp-team@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] About the "Issues sheet" Two responses: 1. There are many things that you may think were “agreements in LA” that were not agreements but agreements to disagree 2. If we are merely finalizing the initial report then the current debate about which uses cases can be automated is out of bounds Thursday. MM From: Janis Karklins <karklinsj@gmail.com<mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com>> Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 3:42 PM To: Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org<mailto:caitlin.tubergen@icann.org>> Cc: Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu<mailto:milton@gatech.edu>>; gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] About the "Issues sheet" Dear Team members, Pls approach this exercise as a proof reading of the Initial Report rather than attempt to re-open agreements of LA. In remaining few hours we will not be able to re-negotiate sometimes delicate compromises that we coined during hours and hours of collective and small groups conversations. Another thing is to engage in discussions of real cases for possible automated disclosure that we didn't have a chance to discuss in details in LA. Hope that current debate is contributing to a solution that we can endorse on Thursday. Thank you for understanding JK On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:12 PM Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org<mailto:caitlin.tubergen@icann.org>> wrote: Milton and Team: The agenda message had three attachments: 1. an issues list, where groups may populate items within the report that they cannot live with, 2. a red-lined word doc that does not contain line numbers, but shows the updates made as a result of agreements reached during the F2F, and 3. a clean PDF with line numbers. You may view the line numbers via the PDF. Thank you. Best regards, Marika, Berry, and Caitlin From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of "Mueller, Milton L" <milton@gatech.edu<mailto:milton@gatech.edu>> Date: Monday, February 3, 2020 at 11:49 AM To: "gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>" <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> Subject: [Gnso-epdp-team] About the "Issues sheet" Caitlin, The issues sheet asks for “line numbers” to help specify where the text we are concerned about is. However, in the Word document with the draft report, I do not see any line numbers. Am I looking at the wrong thing? Should I see them on the draft, or should I use other indicators, such as section X.Y, bullet point 3, line 2, for example? 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I disagree. For the sake of consensus, let us agree to put in the generally agreed case for automation and refer to the others as "there may be others down the road". Anything beyond that will just create false expectations. Best, Volker Am 03.02.2020 um 23:13 schrieb King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team:
Hi all,
I think I agree with Milton’s second point. If we’re finalizing the Initial Report on Thursday (hooray!), we shouldn’t get bogged down with a substantive discussion on the various automatable use cases. It seems that conversation won’t yet lead to harmonious consensus.
As a procedural matter, we should include in the Initial Report the various use cases we are considering automating, and to be fair “or not automating.” I believe Mark Sv is sending an updated version of this around shortly. I’m not the expert on GNSO procedures that some of our colleagues are, but I think it may be required to list these in the Initial Report and seek public comment even if we end up rejecting them. We could not, on the other hand, NOT list them and then publish a final report that includes them without first publishing an initial report that includes them. Right?
Thanks!
*Brian J. King * Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs
T +1 443 761 3726_ markmonitor.com <http://www.markmonitor.com>_
*MarkMonitor *Protecting companies and consumers in a digital world
*From:*Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> *On Behalf Of *Mueller, Milton L *Sent:* Monday, February 3, 2020 4:31 PM *To:* Janis Karklins <karklinsj@gmail.com>; Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org> *Cc:* gnso-epdp-team@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] About the "Issues sheet"
Two responses:
1. There are many things that you may think were “agreements in LA” that were not agreements but agreements to disagree 2. If we are merely finalizing the initial report then the current debate about which uses cases can be automated is out of bounds Thursday.
MM
*From:*Janis Karklins <karklinsj@gmail.com <mailto:karklinsj@gmail.com>> *Sent:* Monday, February 3, 2020 3:42 PM *To:* Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org <mailto:caitlin.tubergen@icann.org>> *Cc:* Mueller, Milton L <milton@gatech.edu <mailto:milton@gatech.edu>>; gnso-epdp-team@icann.org <mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] About the "Issues sheet"
Dear Team members,
Pls approach this exercise as a proof reading of the Initial Report rather than attempt to re-open agreements of LA. In remaining few hours we will not be able to re-negotiate sometimes delicate compromises that we coined during hours and hours of collective and small groups conversations.
Another thing is to engage in discussions of real cases for possible automated disclosure that we didn't have a chance to discuss in details in LA. Hope that current debate is contributing to a solution that we can endorse on Thursday.
Thank you for understanding
JK
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:12 PM Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org <mailto:caitlin.tubergen@icann.org>> wrote:
Milton and Team:
The agenda message had three attachments:
1. an issues list, where groups may populate items within the report that they cannot live with,
2. a red-lined word doc that does not contain line numbers, but shows the updates made as a result of agreements reached during the F2F, and
3. a clean PDF with line numbers.
You may view the line numbers via the PDF.
Thank you.
Best regards,
Marika, Berry, and Caitlin
*From: *Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of "Mueller, Milton L" <milton@gatech.edu <mailto:milton@gatech.edu>> *Date: *Monday, February 3, 2020 at 11:49 AM *To: *"gnso-epdp-team@icann.org <mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>" <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org <mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> *Subject: *[Gnso-epdp-team] About the "Issues sheet"
Caitlin,
The issues sheet asks for “line numbers” to help specify where the text we are concerned about is. However, in the Word document with the draft report, I do not see any line numbers.
Am I looking at the wrong thing? Should I see them on the draft, or should I use other indicators, such as section X.Y, bullet point 3, line 2, for example?
Dr. Milton L Mueller
School of Public Policy
Georgia Institute of Technology
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After seeing discussion of the TM use case I am sure that Brian is right, when he says this: From: King, Brian <Brian.King@markmonitor.com> If we’re finalizing the Initial Report on Thursday (hooray!), we shouldn’t get bogged down with a substantive discussion on the various automatable use cases. It seems that conversation won’t yet lead to harmonious consensus. We really cannot deal with the use cases AND finalize the initial report. That should be clear to all. Dr. Milton L Mueller School of Public Policy Georgia Institute of Technology [IGP_logo_gold block_email sig]
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