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Kurt and leadership team, As we prepare for the face to face meeting in Toronto next week I have a couple suggestions/requests. Managing the queue: can we please use Adobe to manage the queue? In LA and especially in Barcelona Adobe wasn't used which led to issues that we just don't have when using Adobe. We are all used to using Adobe, lets stick with that for the face to face. Adobe Chat: along similar lines, in Barcelona, Adobe chat was either discouraged or not available. As a result we had much longer queues. It also led to many cases of jumping the queue to "correct the record". I know chairing or otherwise facilitating a meeting and keeping up with chat is essentially impossible, but the meeting chat is a valuable tool and helps move discussions along. We are all used to using Adobe chat and I thought not having it in Barcelona hampered progress. Also I think everyone understands when the chair has to pause to catch up on chat. Breaks and meeting pauses: On yesterday's Team B call initially when we got to the discussion on Purpose 5 (compliance) no one had any comments. Kudos to Brian who suggested we pause for 5 minutes so people could review. It wasn't an issue of Team B members not being prepared, we just have a lot of topics and issues on our plates and needed a moment. We ended up having an excellent discussion following the 5 minute pause and generally agreed to revised language for the recommendation. When considering the agenda for the face to face, please make sure you are accounting for time for people to take breaks, sync up with team members and refresh their memories on discussion topics. Thanks, Marc Marc Anderson mcanderson@verisign.com<mailto:mcanderson@verisign.com> Cell: 571.521.9943 Office: 703.948.3404 12061 Bluemont Way, Reston, VA 20190 Verisign.com<http://www.verisign.com/>
Hi Kurt I’d like to support Marc’s constructive and thoughtful suggestions. Best wishes, and see you next week (drones permitting)! Emily On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 17:13, Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team < gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> wrote:
Kurt and leadership team,
As we prepare for the face to face meeting in Toronto next week I have a couple suggestions/requests.
Managing the queue: can we please use Adobe to manage the queue? In LA and especially in Barcelona Adobe wasn’t used which led to issues that we just don’t have when using Adobe. We are all used to using Adobe, lets stick with that for the face to face.
Adobe Chat: along similar lines, in Barcelona, Adobe chat was either discouraged or not available. As a result we had much longer queues. It also led to many cases of jumping the queue to “correct the record”. I know chairing or otherwise facilitating a meeting and keeping up with chat is essentially impossible, but the meeting chat is a valuable tool and helps move discussions along. We are all used to using Adobe chat and I thought not having it in Barcelona hampered progress. Also I think everyone understands when the chair has to pause to catch up on chat.
Breaks and meeting pauses: On yesterday’s Team B call initially when we got to the discussion on Purpose 5 (compliance) no one had any comments. Kudos to Brian who suggested we pause for 5 minutes so people could review. It wasn’t an issue of Team B members not being prepared, we just have a lot of topics and issues on our plates and needed a moment. We ended up having an excellent discussion following the 5 minute pause and generally agreed to revised language for the recommendation. When considering the agenda for the face to face, please make sure you are accounting for time for people to take breaks, sync up with team members and refresh their memories on discussion topics.
Thanks, Marc
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I agree, and thanks Marc for proposing. I’d also propose we have some sort of limitations/constraints on verbal statements. This could mean a shot clock (2-3 min), not allowing folks to re-enter the queue once they’ve spoken on the topic, not allowing folks to introduce a new topic while there’s a queue behind them, or some combination of all of the above. :) Thanks, and safe travels everyone. ------------- James Bladel GoDaddy ________________________________ From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Emily Taylor <emily.taylor@oxil.co.uk> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 11:28 To: Anderson, Marc Cc: gnso-epdp-team@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] face to face meeting details Hi Kurt I’d like to support Marc’s constructive and thoughtful suggestions. Best wishes, and see you next week (drones permitting)! Emily On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 17:13, Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> wrote: Kurt and leadership team, As we prepare for the face to face meeting in Toronto next week I have a couple suggestions/requests. Managing the queue: can we please use Adobe to manage the queue? In LA and especially in Barcelona Adobe wasn’t used which led to issues that we just don’t have when using Adobe. We are all used to using Adobe, lets stick with that for the face to face. Adobe Chat: along similar lines, in Barcelona, Adobe chat was either discouraged or not available. As a result we had much longer queues. It also led to many cases of jumping the queue to “correct the record”. I know chairing or otherwise facilitating a meeting and keeping up with chat is essentially impossible, but the meeting chat is a valuable tool and helps move discussions along. We are all used to using Adobe chat and I thought not having it in Barcelona hampered progress. Also I think everyone understands when the chair has to pause to catch up on chat. Breaks and meeting pauses: On yesterday’s Team B call initially when we got to the discussion on Purpose 5 (compliance) no one had any comments. Kudos to Brian who suggested we pause for 5 minutes so people could review. It wasn’t an issue of Team B members not being prepared, we just have a lot of topics and issues on our plates and needed a moment. We ended up having an excellent discussion following the 5 minute pause and generally agreed to revised language for the recommendation. When considering the agenda for the face to face, please make sure you are accounting for time for people to take breaks, sync up with team members and refresh their memories on discussion topics. Thanks, Marc [Description: cid:image001.gif@01CE562A.FB6F3EB0] Marc Anderson mcanderson@verisign.com<mailto:mcanderson@verisign.com> Cell: 571.521.9943 Office: 703.948.3404 12061 Bluemont Way, Reston, VA 20190 Verisign.com<http://www.verisign.com/> [Description: Description: Description: Verisign™] _______________________________________________ Gnso-epdp-team mailing list Gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-epdp-team -- Emily Taylor CEO, Oxford Information Labs MA (Cantab), Solicitor (non-practising), MBA, Associate Fellow, Chatham House; Editor, Journal of Cyber Policy Lincoln House, Pony Road, Oxford OX4 2RD | T: 01865 582885 E: emily.taylor@oxil.co.uk<mailto:emily.taylor@oxil.co.uk> | D: 01865 582811 | M: +44 7540 049322 [https://drive.google.com/a/oxil.co.uk/uc?id=1-3eDLYPfLpkj30Jc34NcbkD1xt8NQpU8&export=download]<http://explore.tandfonline.com/cfp/pgas/rcyb-cfp-2017>[https://docs.google.com/a/oxil.co.uk/uc?id=0B7sS_6djDxsHNm92d21jM21HMDQ&export=download]<http://explore.tandfonline.com/cfp/pgas/rcyb-cfp-2017> Registered office: Lincoln House, 4 Pony Road, Oxford OX4 2RD. Registered in England and Wales No. 4520925. VAT No. 799526263 .
Hi, I was not able to secure a visa in time for the F2F in Toronto (ICANN/GNSO budgetary issues seem to be more important than ensuring broad participation). I’ll try to participate remotely as often as I can, so Marc’s suggestions work for me..., personally. Thanks. Amr Sent from Mobile On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 5:29 AM, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote:
I agree, and thanks Marc for proposing.
I’d also propose we have some sort of limitations/constraints on verbal statements. This could mean a shot clock (2-3 min), not allowing folks to re-enter the queue once they’ve spoken on the topic, not allowing folks to introduce a new topic while there’s a queue behind them, or some combination of all of the above. :)
Thanks, and safe travels everyone.
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Hi Kurt
I’d like to support Marc’s constructive and thoughtful suggestions.
Best wishes, and see you next week (drones permitting)!
Emily
On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 17:13, Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> wrote:
Kurt and leadership team,
As we prepare for the face to face meeting in Toronto next week I have a couple suggestions/requests.
Managing the queue: can we please use Adobe to manage the queue? In LA and especially in Barcelona Adobe wasn’t used which led to issues that we just don’t have when using Adobe. We are all used to using Adobe, lets stick with that for the face to face.
Adobe Chat: along similar lines, in Barcelona, Adobe chat was either discouraged or not available. As a result we had much longer queues. It also led to many cases of jumping the queue to “correct the record”. I know chairing or otherwise facilitating a meeting and keeping up with chat is essentially impossible, but the meeting chat is a valuable tool and helps move discussions along. We are all used to using Adobe chat and I thought not having it in Barcelona hampered progress. Also I think everyone understands when the chair has to pause to catch up on chat.
Breaks and meeting pauses: On yesterday’s Team B call initially when we got to the discussion on Purpose 5 (compliance) no one had any comments. Kudos to Brian who suggested we pause for 5 minutes so people could review. It wasn’t an issue of Team B members not being prepared, we just have a lot of topics and issues on our plates and needed a moment. We ended up having an excellent discussion following the 5 minute pause and generally agreed to revised language for the recommendation. When considering the agenda for the face to face, please make sure you are accounting for time for people to take breaks, sync up with team members and refresh their memories on discussion topics.
Thanks, Marc
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I also agree that a given SO/AC or stakeholder group with numerous representative should not Given the floor as they bay block the que impeding others to talk Kavouss Sent from my iPhone
On 12 Jan 2019, at 12:29, James M. Bladel <jbladel@godaddy.com> wrote:
I agree, and thanks Marc for proposing.
I’d also propose we have some sort of limitations/constraints on verbal statements. This could mean a shot clock (2-3 min), not allowing folks to re-enter the queue once they’ve spoken on the topic, not allowing folks to introduce a new topic while there’s a queue behind them, or some combination of all of the above. :)
Thanks, and safe travels everyone.
------------- James Bladel GoDaddy
From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Emily Taylor <emily.taylor@oxil.co.uk> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 11:28 To: Anderson, Marc Cc: gnso-epdp-team@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] face to face meeting details
Hi Kurt
I’d like to support Marc’s constructive and thoughtful suggestions.
Best wishes, and see you next week (drones permitting)!
Emily
On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 17:13, Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> wrote: Kurt and leadership team,
As we prepare for the face to face meeting in Toronto next week I have a couple suggestions/requests.
Managing the queue: can we please use Adobe to manage the queue? In LA and especially in Barcelona Adobe wasn’t used which led to issues that we just don’t have when using Adobe. We are all used to using Adobe, lets stick with that for the face to face.
Adobe Chat: along similar lines, in Barcelona, Adobe chat was either discouraged or not available. As a result we had much longer queues. It also led to many cases of jumping the queue to “correct the record”. I know chairing or otherwise facilitating a meeting and keeping up with chat is essentially impossible, but the meeting chat is a valuable tool and helps move discussions along. We are all used to using Adobe chat and I thought not having it in Barcelona hampered progress. Also I think everyone understands when the chair has to pause to catch up on chat.
Breaks and meeting pauses: On yesterday’s Team B call initially when we got to the discussion on Purpose 5 (compliance) no one had any comments. Kudos to Brian who suggested we pause for 5 minutes so people could review. It wasn’t an issue of Team B members not being prepared, we just have a lot of topics and issues on our plates and needed a moment. We ended up having an excellent discussion following the 5 minute pause and generally agreed to revised language for the recommendation. When considering the agenda for the face to face, please make sure you are accounting for time for people to take breaks, sync up with team members and refresh their memories on discussion topics.
Thanks, Marc
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Hi Marc (and everyone): Thanks for your suggestions and eloquent explanation. I have taken a couple days to respond in order to conclude a pre-planned call with CBI where we discussed how best to administrate the meeting - in order to best determine how to incorporate Adobe Connect into the meeting. Here is where we are on this. The Adobe Connect room will be open so Amr and others frustrated by the visa process can attend whenever they are able. Regarding the queue: I discussed this in some detail with CBI and the support team. You will be able to register a place in the queue. However, in an effort to create an effective dialogue, we will reserve a right to alter the queue in cases where it seems that would be beneficial to the discussion. I think Gina and David did this effectively during the Los Angeles meeting. We ran into trouble in the latter Barcelona meeting where I was left to manage the queue, which I did not do well. CBI is there to facilitate our progress and I wish to give them some latitude in managing the queue. Regarding the chat: It will be available. Again, I believe CBI will rely heavily on oral participation rather than type-written comments. I agree with that approach. We did discuss a place where chat might be particularly effective. In certain circumstances we might want to memorialize certain opinions or comments on issues to be closed where it would be more expeditious to record those comments in chat rather than taking time to have them presented orally. I hope this is helpful and provides an appropriate balancing. Best regards, Kurt
On Jan 11, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> wrote:
Kurt and leadership team,
As we prepare for the face to face meeting in Toronto next week I have a couple suggestions/requests.
Managing the queue: can we please use Adobe to manage the queue? In LA and especially in Barcelona Adobe wasn’t used which led to issues that we just don’t have when using Adobe. We are all used to using Adobe, lets stick with that for the face to face.
Adobe Chat: along similar lines, in Barcelona, Adobe chat was either discouraged or not available. As a result we had much longer queues. It also led to many cases of jumping the queue to “correct the record”. I know chairing or otherwise facilitating a meeting and keeping up with chat is essentially impossible, but the meeting chat is a valuable tool and helps move discussions along. We are all used to using Adobe chat and I thought not having it in Barcelona hampered progress. Also I think everyone understands when the chair has to pause to catch up on chat.
Breaks and meeting pauses: On yesterday’s Team B call initially when we got to the discussion on Purpose 5 (compliance) no one had any comments. Kudos to Brian who suggested we pause for 5 minutes so people could review. It wasn’t an issue of Team B members not being prepared, we just have a lot of topics and issues on our plates and needed a moment. We ended up having an excellent discussion following the 5 minute pause and generally agreed to revised language for the recommendation. When considering the agenda for the face to face, please make sure you are accounting for time for people to take breaks, sync up with team members and refresh their memories on discussion topics.
Thanks, Marc
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Once again I agree with limitation that should Also be applied to not more than 2-3 intervention on a give. Subject counting 3-5 mints fir the first and 2-3 mints fir the second and only one mint . For the third . Once debates are exhausted Kurt need to warp up and go to decision making and NOT to clean tenue or repeating what was said Kavouss Sent from my iPhone
On 13 Jan 2019, at 08:40, Kurt Pritz <kurt@kjpritz.com> wrote:
Hi Marc (and everyone):
Thanks for your suggestions and eloquent explanation. I have taken a couple days to respond in order to conclude a pre-planned call with CBI where we discussed how best to administrate the meeting - in order to best determine how to incorporate Adobe Connect into the meeting.
Here is where we are on this.
The Adobe Connect room will be open so Amr and others frustrated by the visa process can attend whenever they are able.
Regarding the queue: I discussed this in some detail with CBI and the support team. You will be able to register a place in the queue. However, in an effort to create an effective dialogue, we will reserve a right to alter the queue in cases where it seems that would be beneficial to the discussion. I think Gina and David did this effectively during the Los Angeles meeting. We ran into trouble in the latter Barcelona meeting where I was left to manage the queue, which I did not do well. CBI is there to facilitate our progress and I wish to give them some latitude in managing the queue.
Regarding the chat: It will be available. Again, I believe CBI will rely heavily on oral participation rather than type-written comments. I agree with that approach.
We did discuss a place where chat might be particularly effective. In certain circumstances we might want to memorialize certain opinions or comments on issues to be closed where it would be more expeditious to record those comments in chat rather than taking time to have them presented orally.
I hope this is helpful and provides an appropriate balancing.
Best regards,
Kurt
On Jan 11, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> wrote:
Kurt and leadership team,
As we prepare for the face to face meeting in Toronto next week I have a couple suggestions/requests.
Managing the queue: can we please use Adobe to manage the queue? In LA and especially in Barcelona Adobe wasn’t used which led to issues that we just don’t have when using Adobe. We are all used to using Adobe, lets stick with that for the face to face.
Adobe Chat: along similar lines, in Barcelona, Adobe chat was either discouraged or not available. As a result we had much longer queues. It also led to many cases of jumping the queue to “correct the record”. I know chairing or otherwise facilitating a meeting and keeping up with chat is essentially impossible, but the meeting chat is a valuable tool and helps move discussions along. We are all used to using Adobe chat and I thought not having it in Barcelona hampered progress. Also I think everyone understands when the chair has to pause to catch up on chat.
Breaks and meeting pauses: On yesterday’s Team B call initially when we got to the discussion on Purpose 5 (compliance) no one had any comments. Kudos to Brian who suggested we pause for 5 minutes so people could review. It wasn’t an issue of Team B members not being prepared, we just have a lot of topics and issues on our plates and needed a moment. We ended up having an excellent discussion following the 5 minute pause and generally agreed to revised language for the recommendation. When considering the agenda for the face to face, please make sure you are accounting for time for people to take breaks, sync up with team members and refresh their memories on discussion topics.
Thanks, Marc
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Dear All I sent the below message when I was on board aircraft and then found some typo which hereby is corrected Regards Kavouss Sent from my iPhone
On 13 Jan 2019, at 05:45, Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Once again I agree with limitation that should Also be applied to not more than 2-3 intervention on a given. Subject counting 3-5 mints for the first and 2-3 mints for the second and only one mint . For the third . Once debates are exhausted Kurt needs to warp up and go to decision making and NOT to continue the debates or allow people repeating what was said before D Kavouss
Sent from my iPhone
On 13 Jan 2019, at 08:40, Kurt Pritz <kurt@kjpritz.com> wrote:
Hi Marc (and everyone):
Thanks for your suggestions and eloquent explanation. I have taken a couple days to respond in order to conclude a pre-planned call with CBI where we discussed how best to administrate the meeting - in order to best determine how to incorporate Adobe Connect into the meeting.
Here is where we are on this.
The Adobe Connect room will be open so Amr and others frustrated by the visa process can attend whenever they are able.
Regarding the queue: I discussed this in some detail with CBI and the support team. You will be able to register a place in the queue. However, in an effort to create an effective dialogue, we will reserve a right to alter the queue in cases where it seems that would be beneficial to the discussion. I think Gina and David did this effectively during the Los Angeles meeting. We ran into trouble in the latter Barcelona meeting where I was left to manage the queue, which I did not do well. CBI is there to facilitate our progress and I wish to give them some latitude in managing the queue.
Regarding the chat: It will be available. Again, I believe CBI will rely heavily on oral participation rather than type-written comments. I agree with that approach.
We did discuss a place where chat might be particularly effective. In certain circumstances we might want to memorialize certain opinions or comments on issues to be closed where it would be more expeditious to record those comments in chat rather than taking time to have them presented orally.
I hope this is helpful and provides an appropriate balancing.
Best regards,
Kurt
On Jan 11, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> wrote:
Kurt and leadership team,
As we prepare for the face to face meeting in Toronto next week I have a couple suggestions/requests.
Managing the queue: can we please use Adobe to manage the queue? In LA and especially in Barcelona Adobe wasn’t used which led to issues that we just don’t have when using Adobe. We are all used to using Adobe, lets stick with that for the face to face.
Adobe Chat: along similar lines, in Barcelona, Adobe chat was either discouraged or not available. As a result we had much longer queues. It also led to many cases of jumping the queue to “correct the record”. I know chairing or otherwise facilitating a meeting and keeping up with chat is essentially impossible, but the meeting chat is a valuable tool and helps move discussions along. We are all used to using Adobe chat and I thought not having it in Barcelona hampered progress. Also I think everyone understands when the chair has to pause to catch up on chat.
Breaks and meeting pauses: On yesterday’s Team B call initially when we got to the discussion on Purpose 5 (compliance) no one had any comments. Kudos to Brian who suggested we pause for 5 minutes so people could review. It wasn’t an issue of Team B members not being prepared, we just have a lot of topics and issues on our plates and needed a moment. We ended up having an excellent discussion following the 5 minute pause and generally agreed to revised language for the recommendation. When considering the agenda for the face to face, please make sure you are accounting for time for people to take breaks, sync up with team members and refresh their memories on discussion topics.
Thanks, Marc
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Dear Kurt Thank you very much for yr comprehensive Reply. However, you did not respond to suggestions made by me and others about limitation of the number of intervention and the duration of each intervention as well as avoiding one stakeholder or One SO/AC monopolise the discussion I also suggested that at some appropriate time the discussion MUST be closed and decision to made. Time constrain does not allow us to be engagées in lengthy process While we should make every possible effort to Arrive at consensus but sometimes we are Obliged to check the temperature of the meeting In addition people MUST respect each other No one is wrong but there may be different if Opinions and views that MUST NOT be translated to judgement by one saying others do not understand The conduct of meeting must be efficient , constructive and friendly I was suffered from unfriendly statement by others naught thought they are above others and speaking on behalf of GOD Regards Kavouss Sent from my iPhone
On 13 Jan 2019, at 08:40, Kurt Pritz <kurt@kjpritz.com> wrote:
Hi Marc (and everyone):
Thanks for your suggestions and eloquent explanation. I have taken a couple days to respond in order to conclude a pre-planned call with CBI where we discussed how best to administrate the meeting - in order to best determine how to incorporate Adobe Connect into the meeting.
Here is where we are on this.
The Adobe Connect room will be open so Amr and others frustrated by the visa process can attend whenever they are able.
Regarding the queue: I discussed this in some detail with CBI and the support team. You will be able to register a place in the queue. However, in an effort to create an effective dialogue, we will reserve a right to alter the queue in cases where it seems that would be beneficial to the discussion. I think Gina and David did this effectively during the Los Angeles meeting. We ran into trouble in the latter Barcelona meeting where I was left to manage the queue, which I did not do well. CBI is there to facilitate our progress and I wish to give them some latitude in managing the queue.
Regarding the chat: It will be available. Again, I believe CBI will rely heavily on oral participation rather than type-written comments. I agree with that approach.
We did discuss a place where chat might be particularly effective. In certain circumstances we might want to memorialize certain opinions or comments on issues to be closed where it would be more expeditious to record those comments in chat rather than taking time to have them presented orally.
I hope this is helpful and provides an appropriate balancing.
Best regards,
Kurt
On Jan 11, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> wrote:
Kurt and leadership team,
As we prepare for the face to face meeting in Toronto next week I have a couple suggestions/requests.
Managing the queue: can we please use Adobe to manage the queue? In LA and especially in Barcelona Adobe wasn’t used which led to issues that we just don’t have when using Adobe. We are all used to using Adobe, lets stick with that for the face to face.
Adobe Chat: along similar lines, in Barcelona, Adobe chat was either discouraged or not available. As a result we had much longer queues. It also led to many cases of jumping the queue to “correct the record”. I know chairing or otherwise facilitating a meeting and keeping up with chat is essentially impossible, but the meeting chat is a valuable tool and helps move discussions along. We are all used to using Adobe chat and I thought not having it in Barcelona hampered progress. Also I think everyone understands when the chair has to pause to catch up on chat.
Breaks and meeting pauses: On yesterday’s Team B call initially when we got to the discussion on Purpose 5 (compliance) no one had any comments. Kudos to Brian who suggested we pause for 5 minutes so people could review. It wasn’t an issue of Team B members not being prepared, we just have a lot of topics and issues on our plates and needed a moment. We ended up having an excellent discussion following the 5 minute pause and generally agreed to revised language for the recommendation. When considering the agenda for the face to face, please make sure you are accounting for time for people to take breaks, sync up with team members and refresh their memories on discussion topics.
Thanks, Marc
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Thanks for this Kavouss. I appreciate your sentiment on limiting the number and length of interventions. The support team is discussing how to lbest accomplish this without the risk of blocking meaning comments. Best regards, Kurt
On Jan 13, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Kurt Thank you very much for yr comprehensive Reply. However, you did not respond to suggestions made by me and others about limitation of the number of intervention and the duration of each intervention as well as avoiding one stakeholder or One SO/AC monopolise the discussion I also suggested that at some appropriate time the discussion MUST be closed and decision to made. Time constrain does not allow us to be engagées in lengthy process While we should make every possible effort to Arrive at consensus but sometimes we are Obliged to check the temperature of the meeting In addition people MUST respect each other No one is wrong but there may be different if Opinions and views that MUST NOT be translated to judgement by one saying others do not understand The conduct of meeting must be efficient , constructive and friendly I was suffered from unfriendly statement by others naught thought they are above others and speaking on behalf of GOD Regards Kavouss
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On 13 Jan 2019, at 08:40, Kurt Pritz <kurt@kjpritz.com <mailto:kurt@kjpritz.com>> wrote:
Hi Marc (and everyone):
Thanks for your suggestions and eloquent explanation. I have taken a couple days to respond in order to conclude a pre-planned call with CBI where we discussed how best to administrate the meeting - in order to best determine how to incorporate Adobe Connect into the meeting.
Here is where we are on this.
The Adobe Connect room will be open so Amr and others frustrated by the visa process can attend whenever they are able.
Regarding the queue: I discussed this in some detail with CBI and the support team. You will be able to register a place in the queue. However, in an effort to create an effective dialogue, we will reserve a right to alter the queue in cases where it seems that would be beneficial to the discussion. I think Gina and David did this effectively during the Los Angeles meeting. We ran into trouble in the latter Barcelona meeting where I was left to manage the queue, which I did not do well. CBI is there to facilitate our progress and I wish to give them some latitude in managing the queue.
Regarding the chat: It will be available. Again, I believe CBI will rely heavily on oral participation rather than type-written comments. I agree with that approach.
We did discuss a place where chat might be particularly effective. In certain circumstances we might want to memorialize certain opinions or comments on issues to be closed where it would be more expeditious to record those comments in chat rather than taking time to have them presented orally.
I hope this is helpful and provides an appropriate balancing.
Best regards,
Kurt
On Jan 11, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org <mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> wrote:
Kurt and leadership team,
As we prepare for the face to face meeting in Toronto next week I have a couple suggestions/requests.
Managing the queue: can we please use Adobe to manage the queue? In LA and especially in Barcelona Adobe wasn’t used which led to issues that we just don’t have when using Adobe. We are all used to using Adobe, lets stick with that for the face to face.
Adobe Chat: along similar lines, in Barcelona, Adobe chat was either discouraged or not available. As a result we had much longer queues. It also led to many cases of jumping the queue to “correct the record”. I know chairing or otherwise facilitating a meeting and keeping up with chat is essentially impossible, but the meeting chat is a valuable tool and helps move discussions along. We are all used to using Adobe chat and I thought not having it in Barcelona hampered progress. Also I think everyone understands when the chair has to pause to catch up on chat.
Breaks and meeting pauses: On yesterday’s Team B call initially when we got to the discussion on Purpose 5 (compliance) no one had any comments. Kudos to Brian who suggested we pause for 5 minutes so people could review. It wasn’t an issue of Team B members not being prepared, we just have a lot of topics and issues on our plates and needed a moment. We ended up having an excellent discussion following the 5 minute pause and generally agreed to revised language for the recommendation. When considering the agenda for the face to face, please make sure you are accounting for time for people to take breaks, sync up with team members and refresh their memories on discussion topics.
Thanks, Marc
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I can't make it. So I support this. And I prefer that as much as possible we don't have break out groups. But that I cannot control so if there are breakouts then that is fine. I have never seen empathy towards the problems of visa seekers from this community. We are not only frustrated by visa processes but by the lack of informed decisions when it comes to selecting a location. It is not realistic for the non-privileged to get a Canadian visa within a month and a half. But it is also troubling to see those with the most disruptive behavior are listened to and are taken into account at the expense of elimination of others. Enjoy Toronto. I have heard it will feel like -30 centigrade. It will keep you fresh. Farzaneh On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 7:40 PM Kurt Pritz <kurt@kjpritz.com> wrote:
Hi Marc (and everyone):
Thanks for your suggestions and eloquent explanation. I have taken a couple days to respond in order to conclude a pre-planned call with CBI where we discussed how best to administrate the meeting - in order to best determine how to incorporate Adobe Connect into the meeting.
Here is where we are on this.
The Adobe Connect room will be open so Amr and others frustrated by the visa process can attend whenever they are able.
Regarding the queue: I discussed this in some detail with CBI and the support team. You will be able to register a place in the queue. However, in an effort to create an effective dialogue, we will reserve a right to alter the queue in cases where it seems that would be beneficial to the discussion. I think Gina and David did this effectively during the Los Angeles meeting. We ran into trouble in the latter Barcelona meeting where I was left to manage the queue, which I did not do well. CBI is there to facilitate our progress and I wish to give them some latitude in managing the queue.
Regarding the chat: It will be available. Again, I believe CBI will rely heavily on oral participation rather than type-written comments. I agree with that approach.
We did discuss a place where chat might be particularly effective. In certain circumstances we might want to memorialize certain opinions or comments on issues to be closed where it would be more expeditious to record those comments in chat rather than taking time to have them presented orally.
I hope this is helpful and provides an appropriate balancing.
Best regards,
Kurt
On Jan 11, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team < gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> wrote:
Kurt and leadership team,
As we prepare for the face to face meeting in Toronto next week I have a couple suggestions/requests.
Managing the queue: can we please use Adobe to manage the queue? In LA and especially in Barcelona Adobe wasn’t used which led to issues that we just don’t have when using Adobe. We are all used to using Adobe, lets stick with that for the face to face.
Adobe Chat: along similar lines, in Barcelona, Adobe chat was either discouraged or not available. As a result we had much longer queues. It also led to many cases of jumping the queue to “correct the record”. I know chairing or otherwise facilitating a meeting and keeping up with chat is essentially impossible, but the meeting chat is a valuable tool and helps move discussions along. We are all used to using Adobe chat and I thought not having it in Barcelona hampered progress. Also I think everyone understands when the chair has to pause to catch up on chat.
Breaks and meeting pauses: On yesterday’s Team B call initially when we got to the discussion on Purpose 5 (compliance) no one had any comments. Kudos to Brian who suggested we pause for 5 minutes so people could review. It wasn’t an issue of Team B members not being prepared, we just have a lot of topics and issues on our plates and needed a moment. We ended up having an excellent discussion following the 5 minute pause and generally agreed to revised language for the recommendation. When considering the agenda for the face to face, please make sure you are accounting for time for people to take breaks, sync up with team members and refresh their memories on discussion topics.
Thanks, Marc
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Dear Kurrt Dear All What a strange and unexpected statement ? This type of statement is categorically rejected Regards Kavouss
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Anderson, Marc -
Arasteh -
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James M. Bladel -
Kavouss Arasteh
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Kurt Pritz