IPC/BC/RySG and others: requesting an extension on can't live with items
Hello EPDP Staff and Leadership, On behalf of the IPC/BC/RySG and other groups who I know feel similarly but with whom we have not yet been able to caucus officially: We have been diligently working through the report during this silent week, and many of us have found it quite challenging to provide thoughtful and constructive comments on each recommendation in this short a timeframe. While we work recommendation-by-recommendation, many of us are also grappling with the report as a whole, and we need time to confer within our constituencies to understand which are our most pressing “can’t live with” items, and to come up with creative solutions if needed to come to consensus. We note that many of our most challenging and contentious issues were the ones discussed most recently. Taking just five or so days to review new language on our most important issues with our constituencies has proven to be quite challenging, if not impossible. Frankly, it would not do justice to all the hard work we have put in to get this far if we rush through the most important parts, particularly if consensus will depend on more thoughtful review and constructive conversation. In light of the difficulty to accomplish substantive review and discussion in the requested timeframe, and with the goal of achieving consensus in Phase 2, we would like to request an additional two weeks to work through our “can’t live with” items. If granted, we can commit to providing thoughtful, constructive suggestions on any remaining items by COB on Friday, July 24. Thank you for your consideration. Brian J. King Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs, IP Group T +1 443 761 3726 clarivate.com [D39D107B] Confidentiality note: This e-mail may contain confidential information from Clarivate. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately.
I support Brian’s request. Given the importance and complexity of our work it is important that we take the time to get it right. Our task is not just to identify can’t live with items and issues with a report that has gone through some fairly significant edits, but also to propose solutions to those can’t live with items. If we are to be successful this will require internal discussion, but also time to caucus across groups. Best, Marc From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 9:06 AM To: EPDP <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Gnso-epdp-team] IPC/BC/RySG and others: requesting an extension on can't live with items Hello EPDP Staff and Leadership, On behalf of the IPC/BC/RySG and other groups who I know feel similarly but with whom we have not yet been able to caucus officially: We have been diligently working through the report during this silent week, and many of us have found it quite challenging to provide thoughtful and constructive comments on each recommendation in this short a timeframe. While we work recommendation-by-recommendation, many of us are also grappling with the report as a whole, and we need time to confer within our constituencies to understand which are our most pressing “can’t live with” items, and to come up with creative solutions if needed to come to consensus. We note that many of our most challenging and contentious issues were the ones discussed most recently. Taking just five or so days to review new language on our most important issues with our constituencies has proven to be quite challenging, if not impossible. Frankly, it would not do justice to all the hard work we have put in to get this far if we rush through the most important parts, particularly if consensus will depend on more thoughtful review and constructive conversation. In light of the difficulty to accomplish substantive review and discussion in the requested timeframe, and with the goal of achieving consensus in Phase 2, we would like to request an additional two weeks to work through our “can’t live with” items. If granted, we can commit to providing thoughtful, constructive suggestions on any remaining items by COB on Friday, July 24. Thank you for your consideration. Brian J. King Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs, IP Group T +1 443 761 3726 clarivate.com Confidentiality note: This e-mail may contain confidential information from Clarivate. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately.
I would urge all sides to give some deep thought to the question of whether inserting substantive "can't lives" at the eleventh hour is still a good faith move. For any such points that have been previously agreed by all groups, please also consider if your can't live has a snowballs chance in the sahara to be even remotely acceptable to the rest of the community and if raising it is a good use of the limited amount of time we have available or will just waste all of our time. That said, if the report can be improved by common sense clarifications and little tweaks that can be accepted by all, then that is a good use of our time. Much better in fact than another round of accuracy or legal/natural. Best, -- Volker A. Greimann General Counsel and Policy Manager *KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH* T: +49 6894 9396901 M: +49 6894 9396851 F: +49 6894 9396851 W: www.key-systems.net Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835 CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 3:28 PM Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team < gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> wrote:
I support Brian’s request. Given the importance and complexity of our work it is important that we take the time to get it right. Our task is not just to identify can’t live with items and issues with a report that has gone through some fairly significant edits, but also to propose solutions to those can’t live with items. If we are to be successful this will require internal discussion, but also time to caucus across groups.
Best,
Marc
*From:* Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> *On Behalf Of *King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 9:06 AM *To:* EPDP <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [Gnso-epdp-team] IPC/BC/RySG and others: requesting an extension on can't live with items
Hello EPDP Staff and Leadership,
On behalf of the IPC/BC/RySG and other groups who I know feel similarly but with whom we have not yet been able to caucus officially:
We have been diligently working through the report during this silent week, and many of us have found it quite challenging to provide thoughtful and constructive comments on each recommendation in this short a timeframe. While we work recommendation-by-recommendation, many of us are also grappling with the report as a whole, and we need time to confer within our constituencies to understand which are our most pressing “can’t live with” items, and to come up with creative solutions if needed to come to consensus.
We note that many of our most challenging and contentious issues were the ones discussed most recently. Taking just five or so days to review new language on our most important issues with our constituencies has proven to be quite challenging, if not impossible. Frankly, it would not do justice to all the hard work we have put in to get this far if we rush through the most important parts, particularly if consensus will depend on more thoughtful review and constructive conversation.
In light of the difficulty to accomplish substantive review and discussion in the requested timeframe, and with the goal of achieving consensus in Phase 2, we would like to request an additional two weeks to work through our “can’t live with” items. If granted, we can commit to providing thoughtful, constructive suggestions on any remaining items by COB on Friday, July 24.
Thank you for your consideration.
*Brian J. King* Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs, IP Group
T +1 443 761 3726
*clarivate.com <http://clarivate.com>*
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Hi Volker, I understood ‘inserting substantive "can't lives" at the eleventh hour’ to be precisely what we’re supposed to be doing right now. If it assuages your concerns, I plan to use the additional time to narrow this list as much as possible and to find solutions that are acceptable to all. I assure you that will be done in good faith. Brian J. King Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs, IP Group T +1 443 761 3726 clarivate.com On Jul 10, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote: I would urge all sides to give some deep thought to the question of whether inserting substantive "can't lives" at the eleventh hour is still a good faith move. For any such points that have been previously agreed by all groups, please also consider if your can't live has a snowballs chance in the sahara to be even remotely acceptable to the rest of the community and if raising it is a good use of the limited amount of time we have available or will just waste all of our time. That said, if the report can be improved by common sense clarifications and little tweaks that can be accepted by all, then that is a good use of our time. Much better in fact than another round of accuracy or legal/natural. Best, -- Volker A. Greimann General Counsel and Policy Manager KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH T: +49 6894 9396901 M: +49 6894 9396851 F: +49 6894 9396851 W: www.key-systems.net<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.key-2Dsystems.net_&d...> Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835 CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 3:28 PM Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> wrote: I support Brian’s request. Given the importance and complexity of our work it is important that we take the time to get it right. Our task is not just to identify can’t live with items and issues with a report that has gone through some fairly significant edits, but also to propose solutions to those can’t live with items. If we are to be successful this will require internal discussion, but also time to caucus across groups. Best, Marc From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 9:06 AM To: EPDP <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Gnso-epdp-team] IPC/BC/RySG and others: requesting an extension on can't live with items Hello EPDP Staff and Leadership, On behalf of the IPC/BC/RySG and other groups who I know feel similarly but with whom we have not yet been able to caucus officially: We have been diligently working through the report during this silent week, and many of us have found it quite challenging to provide thoughtful and constructive comments on each recommendation in this short a timeframe. While we work recommendation-by-recommendation, many of us are also grappling with the report as a whole, and we need time to confer within our constituencies to understand which are our most pressing “can’t live with” items, and to come up with creative solutions if needed to come to consensus. We note that many of our most challenging and contentious issues were the ones discussed most recently. Taking just five or so days to review new language on our most important issues with our constituencies has proven to be quite challenging, if not impossible. Frankly, it would not do justice to all the hard work we have put in to get this far if we rush through the most important parts, particularly if consensus will depend on more thoughtful review and constructive conversation. In light of the difficulty to accomplish substantive review and discussion in the requested timeframe, and with the goal of achieving consensus in Phase 2, we would like to request an additional two weeks to work through our “can’t live with” items. If granted, we can commit to providing thoughtful, constructive suggestions on any remaining items by COB on Friday, July 24. Thank you for your consideration. Brian J. King Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs, IP Group T +1 443 761 3726 clarivate.com<http://clarivate.com> <image001.jpg> Confidentiality note: This e-mail may contain confidential information from Clarivate. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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I too STRONGLY support this request. Alan On July 10, 2020 9:28:10 AM EDT, "Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team" <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> wrote:
I support Brian’s request. Given the importance and complexity of our work it is important that we take the time to get it right. Our task is not just to identify can’t live with items and issues with a report that has gone through some fairly significant edits, but also to propose solutions to those can’t live with items. If we are to be successful this will require internal discussion, but also time to caucus across groups.
Best,
Marc
From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 9:06 AM To: EPDP <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Gnso-epdp-team] IPC/BC/RySG and others: requesting an extension on can't live with items
Hello EPDP Staff and Leadership,
On behalf of the IPC/BC/RySG and other groups who I know feel similarly but with whom we have not yet been able to caucus officially:
We have been diligently working through the report during this silent week, and many of us have found it quite challenging to provide thoughtful and constructive comments on each recommendation in this short a timeframe. While we work recommendation-by-recommendation, many of us are also grappling with the report as a whole, and we need time to confer within our constituencies to understand which are our most pressing “can’t live with” items, and to come up with creative solutions if needed to come to consensus.
We note that many of our most challenging and contentious issues were the ones discussed most recently. Taking just five or so days to review new language on our most important issues with our constituencies has proven to be quite challenging, if not impossible. Frankly, it would not do justice to all the hard work we have put in to get this far if we rush through the most important parts, particularly if consensus will depend on more thoughtful review and constructive conversation.
In light of the difficulty to accomplish substantive review and discussion in the requested timeframe, and with the goal of achieving consensus in Phase 2, we would like to request an additional two weeks to work through our “can’t live with” items. If granted, we can commit to providing thoughtful, constructive suggestions on any remaining items by COB on Friday, July 24.
Thank you for your consideration.
Brian J. King Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs, IP Group
T +1 443 761 3726
clarivate.com
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?For sure yes we Strongly support Marc's suggestion Best Hadia ________________________________ From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Sent: 10 July 2020 17:33 To: Anderson, Marc; Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team; gnso-epdp-team@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] IPC/BC/RySG and others: requesting an extension on can't live with items I too STRONGLY support this request. Alan On July 10, 2020 9:28:10 AM EDT, "Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team" <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> wrote: I support Brian's request. Given the importance and complexity of our work it is important that we take the time to get it right. Our task is not just to identify can't live with items and issues with a report that has gone through some fairly significant edits, but also to propose solutions to those can't live with items. If we are to be successful this will require internal discussion, but also time to caucus across groups. Best, Marc From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 9:06 AM To: EPDP <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Gnso-epdp-team] IPC/BC/RySG and others: requesting an extension on can't live with items Hello EPDP Staff and Leadership, On behalf of the IPC/BC/RySG and other groups who I know feel similarly but with whom we have not yet been able to caucus officially: We have been diligently working through the report during this silent week, and many of us have found it quite challenging to provide thoughtful and constructive comments on each recommendation in this short a timeframe. While we work recommendation-by-recommendation, many of us are also grappling with the report as a whole, and we need time to confer within our constituencies to understand which are our most pressing "can't live with" items, and to come up with creative solutions if needed to come to consensus. We note that many of our most challenging and contentious issues were the ones discussed most recently. Taking just five or so days to review new language on our most important issues with our constituencies has proven to be quite challenging, if not impossible. Frankly, it would not do justice to all the hard work we have put in to get this far if we rush through the most important parts, particularly if consensus will depend on more thoughtful review and constructive conversation. In light of the difficulty to accomplish substantive review and discussion in the requested timeframe, and with the goal of achieving consensus in Phase 2, we would like to request an additional two weeks to work through our "can't live with" items. If granted, we can commit to providing thoughtful, constructive suggestions on any remaining items by COB on Friday, July 24. Thank you for your consideration. Brian J. King? Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs, IP Group T +1 443 761 3726? clarivate.com? [D39D107B] Confidentiality note: This e-mail may contain confidential information from Clarivate. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
I find myself a bit concerned about these requests for further delay. It seems to me that by now we ought to be pretty familiar with what's in the report. And we should be pretty familiar with how the different camps position themselves. While we need to review it for errors, consistency, and "can't live withs" (CLWs - why not have a new acronym?), a week should be enough time to do that. If it's not, I fear we are headed toward re-litigation of issues that ought to be very close to resolution. To be sure, if a SG has major CLWs and wants to propose a creative solution, that may take some time. But I was kind of hoping we were beyond that. -----Original Message----- From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 11:35 AM To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>; Anderson, Marc <mcanderson@verisign.com>; Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>; Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] IPC/BC/RySG and others: requesting an extension on can't live with items ?For sure yes we Strongly support Marc's suggestion Best Hadia ________________________________ From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca> Sent: 10 July 2020 17:33 To: Anderson, Marc; Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team; gnso-epdp-team@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] IPC/BC/RySG and others: requesting an extension on can't live with items I too STRONGLY support this request. Alan On July 10, 2020 9:28:10 AM EDT, "Anderson, Marc via Gnso-epdp-team" <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> wrote: I support Brian's request. Given the importance and complexity of our work it is important that we take the time to get it right. Our task is not just to identify can't live with items and issues with a report that has gone through some fairly significant edits, but also to propose solutions to those can't live with items. If we are to be successful this will require internal discussion, but also time to caucus across groups. Best, Marc From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 9:06 AM To: EPDP <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Gnso-epdp-team] IPC/BC/RySG and others: requesting an extension on can't live with items Hello EPDP Staff and Leadership, On behalf of the IPC/BC/RySG and other groups who I know feel similarly but with whom we have not yet been able to caucus officially: We have been diligently working through the report during this silent week, and many of us have found it quite challenging to provide thoughtful and constructive comments on each recommendation in this short a timeframe. While we work recommendation-by-recommendation, many of us are also grappling with the report as a whole, and we need time to confer within our constituencies to understand which are our most pressing "can't live with" items, and to come up with creative solutions if needed to come to consensus. We note that many of our most challenging and contentious issues were the ones discussed most recently. Taking just five or so days to review new language on our most important issues with our constituencies has proven to be quite challenging, if not impossible. Frankly, it would not do justice to all the hard work we have put in to get this far if we rush through the most important parts, particularly if consensus will depend on more thoughtful review and constructive conversation. In light of the difficulty to accomplish substantive review and discussion in the requested timeframe, and with the goal of achieving consensus in Phase 2, we would like to request an additional two weeks to work through our "can't live with" items. If granted, we can commit to providing thoughtful, constructive suggestions on any remaining items by COB on Friday, July 24. Thank you for your consideration. Brian J. King? 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Dear EPDP members, Honestly, I’m quite disappointed by this last minute request for an extension. All proposed recommendations have been extensively deliberated and this is not the time for substantial changes. That said, I will honor an extension by one week. Here is the updated timeline confirmed with staff: • 6 - 17 July: silent week(s) – opportunity for EPDP Team to review draft Final Report and flag any minor edits (no reopening of previously discussed & addressed issues). • 21 July: several hours EPDP Team meeting(s) to address any issues that may require EPDP Team input / guidance. • 23 July: distribution of Final Report and consensus designations. As a reminder, the Chair will make an evaluation of the support achieved for the recommendations and publish its designation for the group to review. • 23 - 27 July: opportunity for EPDP Team to respond to consensus designations, review by Chair of input received, if any, confirmation by Chair of designation. • 27 July: deadline for minority statements. • 31 July: No later than date for submission of Final Report to the GNSO Council With this schedule change, there is no more slack and regardless of outcomes, I will send the report at its latest state with or without support of the EPDP. We MUST deliver the report by 31 July as there is no chance of support for an additional extension as indicated by the council at its last meeting. I urge the groups to work together in the background to seek agreement on the critical recommendations that constitute this SSAD solution. The time is now! Sincerely, Rafik. Le ven. 10 juil. 2020 à 22:06, King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team < gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> a écrit :
Hello EPDP Staff and Leadership,
On behalf of the IPC/BC/RySG and other groups who I know feel similarly but with whom we have not yet been able to caucus officially:
We have been diligently working through the report during this silent week, and many of us have found it quite challenging to provide thoughtful and constructive comments on each recommendation in this short a timeframe. While we work recommendation-by-recommendation, many of us are also grappling with the report as a whole, and we need time to confer within our constituencies to understand which are our most pressing “can’t live with” items, and to come up with creative solutions if needed to come to consensus.
We note that many of our most challenging and contentious issues were the ones discussed most recently. Taking just five or so days to review new language on our most important issues with our constituencies has proven to be quite challenging, if not impossible. Frankly, it would not do justice to all the hard work we have put in to get this far if we rush through the most important parts, particularly if consensus will depend on more thoughtful review and constructive conversation.
In light of the difficulty to accomplish substantive review and discussion in the requested timeframe, and with the goal of achieving consensus in Phase 2, we would like to request an additional two weeks to work through our “can’t live with” items. If granted, we can commit to providing thoughtful, constructive suggestions on any remaining items by COB on Friday, July 24.
Thank you for your consideration.
*Brian J. King* Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs, IP Group
T +1 443 761 3726
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Dear Rafik, Just for clarity, our action items included more than “minor edits.” We were also asked to identify “can’t live with” and other important issues. I’m assuming that any extensions applies to the full range of our tasks. Kind regards, Laureen Kapin Counsel for International Consumer Protection Federal Trade Commission (202) 326-3237 From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Rafik Dammak Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 10:50 AM To: gnso-epdp-team@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] IPC/BC/RySG and others: requesting an extension on can't live with items Dear EPDP members, Honestly, I’m quite disappointed by this last minute request for an extension. All proposed recommendations have been extensively deliberated and this is not the time for substantial changes. That said, I will honor an extension by one week. Here is the updated timeline confirmed with staff: • 6 - 17 July: silent week(s) – opportunity for EPDP Team to review draft Final Report and flag any minor edits (no reopening of previously discussed & addressed issues). • 21 July: several hours EPDP Team meeting(s) to address any issues that may require EPDP Team input / guidance. • 23 July: distribution of Final Report and consensus designations. As a reminder, the Chair will make an evaluation of the support achieved for the recommendations and publish its designation for the group to review. • 23 - 27 July: opportunity for EPDP Team to respond to consensus designations, review by Chair of input received, if any, confirmation by Chair of designation. • 27 July: deadline for minority statements. • 31 July: No later than date for submission of Final Report to the GNSO Council With this schedule change, there is no more slack and regardless of outcomes, I will send the report at its latest state with or without support of the EPDP. We MUST deliver the report by 31 July as there is no chance of support for an additional extension as indicated by the council at its last meeting. I urge the groups to work together in the background to seek agreement on the critical recommendations that constitute this SSAD solution. The time is now! Sincerely, Rafik. Le ven. 10 juil. 2020 à 22:06, King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> a écrit : Hello EPDP Staff and Leadership, On behalf of the IPC/BC/RySG and other groups who I know feel similarly but with whom we have not yet been able to caucus officially: We have been diligently working through the report during this silent week, and many of us have found it quite challenging to provide thoughtful and constructive comments on each recommendation in this short a timeframe. While we work recommendation-by-recommendation, many of us are also grappling with the report as a whole, and we need time to confer within our constituencies to understand which are our most pressing “can’t live with” items, and to come up with creative solutions if needed to come to consensus. We note that many of our most challenging and contentious issues were the ones discussed most recently. Taking just five or so days to review new language on our most important issues with our constituencies has proven to be quite challenging, if not impossible. Frankly, it would not do justice to all the hard work we have put in to get this far if we rush through the most important parts, particularly if consensus will depend on more thoughtful review and constructive conversation. In light of the difficulty to accomplish substantive review and discussion in the requested timeframe, and with the goal of achieving consensus in Phase 2, we would like to request an additional two weeks to work through our “can’t live with” items. If granted, we can commit to providing thoughtful, constructive suggestions on any remaining items by COB on Friday, July 24. Thank you for your consideration. Brian J. King Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs, IP Group T +1 443 761 3726 clarivate.com<http://clarivate.com> [D39D107B] Confidentiality note: This e-mail may contain confidential information from Clarivate. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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We have heard before that there is no more time for the delivery of the final report, so any time we extend the deliberation will have to be taken from deliberations. This indicates to me that the more can't live withs we get, the less chance there is to actually discuss them. And even though some suggested changes are minor edits, these are also important to improve the quality of the report and need to be discussed. By adding time here, we are setting sail for fail! Suggestion: Everyone posts their can't live with items on the list so we can discuss them on the list. No need to listen to ourselves talk and hear our own voices. Let's get this done. -- Volker A. Greimann General Counsel and Policy Manager *KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH* T: +49 6894 9396901 M: +49 6894 9396851 F: +49 6894 9396851 W: www.key-systems.net Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835 CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 5:45 PM Kapin, Laureen via Gnso-epdp-team < gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> wrote:
Dear Rafik,
Just for clarity, our action items included more than “minor edits.” We were also asked to identify “can’t live with” and other important issues. I’m assuming that any extensions applies to the full range of our tasks.
Kind regards,
Laureen Kapin
Counsel for International Consumer Protection
Federal Trade Commission
(202) 326-3237
*From:* Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> *On Behalf Of *Rafik Dammak *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 10:50 AM *To:* gnso-epdp-team@icann.org *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] IPC/BC/RySG and others: requesting an extension on can't live with items
Dear EPDP members,
Honestly, I’m quite disappointed by this last minute request for an extension. All proposed recommendations have been extensively deliberated and this is not the time for substantial changes. That said, I will honor an extension by one week. Here is the updated timeline confirmed with staff:
• 6 - 17 July: silent week(s) – opportunity for EPDP Team to review draft Final Report and flag any minor edits (no reopening of previously discussed & addressed issues). • 21 July: several hours EPDP Team meeting(s) to address any issues that may require EPDP Team input / guidance. • 23 July: distribution of Final Report and consensus designations. As a reminder, the Chair will make an evaluation of the support achieved for the recommendations and publish its designation for the group to review. • 23 - 27 July: opportunity for EPDP Team to respond to consensus designations, review by Chair of input received, if any, confirmation by Chair of designation. • 27 July: deadline for minority statements. • 31 July: No later than date for submission of Final Report to the GNSO Council
With this schedule change, there is no more slack and regardless of outcomes, I will send the report at its latest state with or without support of the EPDP. We MUST deliver the report by 31 July as there is no chance of support for an additional extension as indicated by the council at its last meeting.
I urge the groups to work together in the background to seek agreement on the critical recommendations that constitute this SSAD solution.
The time is now!
Sincerely,
Rafik.
Le ven. 10 juil. 2020 à 22:06, King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team < gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> a écrit :
Hello EPDP Staff and Leadership,
On behalf of the IPC/BC/RySG and other groups who I know feel similarly but with whom we have not yet been able to caucus officially:
We have been diligently working through the report during this silent week, and many of us have found it quite challenging to provide thoughtful and constructive comments on each recommendation in this short a timeframe. While we work recommendation-by-recommendation, many of us are also grappling with the report as a whole, and we need time to confer within our constituencies to understand which are our most pressing “can’t live with” items, and to come up with creative solutions if needed to come to consensus.
We note that many of our most challenging and contentious issues were the ones discussed most recently. Taking just five or so days to review new language on our most important issues with our constituencies has proven to be quite challenging, if not impossible. Frankly, it would not do justice to all the hard work we have put in to get this far if we rush through the most important parts, particularly if consensus will depend on more thoughtful review and constructive conversation.
In light of the difficulty to accomplish substantive review and discussion in the requested timeframe, and with the goal of achieving consensus in Phase 2, we would like to request an additional two weeks to work through our “can’t live with” items. If granted, we can commit to providing thoughtful, constructive suggestions on any remaining items by COB on Friday, July 24.
Thank you for your consideration.
*Brian J. King* Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs, IP Group
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Ah, I see Rafik has the same attitude as me, but is being indulgent. I am sure he will regret it ;-) Sorry, I am catching up with messages. I tried to have a pitiful 4 day holiday and like a good boy completed all my homework on Monday before leaving. --MM From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Rafik Dammak Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 10:50 AM To: gnso-epdp-team@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] IPC/BC/RySG and others: requesting an extension on can't live with items Dear EPDP members, Honestly, I’m quite disappointed by this last minute request for an extension. All proposed recommendations have been extensively deliberated and this is not the time for substantial changes. That said, I will honor an extension by one week. Here is the updated timeline confirmed with staff: • 6 - 17 July: silent week(s) – opportunity for EPDP Team to review draft Final Report and flag any minor edits (no reopening of previously discussed & addressed issues). • 21 July: several hours EPDP Team meeting(s) to address any issues that may require EPDP Team input / guidance. • 23 July: distribution of Final Report and consensus designations. As a reminder, the Chair will make an evaluation of the support achieved for the recommendations and publish its designation for the group to review. • 23 - 27 July: opportunity for EPDP Team to respond to consensus designations, review by Chair of input received, if any, confirmation by Chair of designation. • 27 July: deadline for minority statements. • 31 July: No later than date for submission of Final Report to the GNSO Council With this schedule change, there is no more slack and regardless of outcomes, I will send the report at its latest state with or without support of the EPDP. We MUST deliver the report by 31 July as there is no chance of support for an additional extension as indicated by the council at its last meeting. I urge the groups to work together in the background to seek agreement on the critical recommendations that constitute this SSAD solution. The time is now! Sincerely, Rafik. Le ven. 10 juil. 2020 à 22:06, King, Brian via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> a écrit : Hello EPDP Staff and Leadership, On behalf of the IPC/BC/RySG and other groups who I know feel similarly but with whom we have not yet been able to caucus officially: We have been diligently working through the report during this silent week, and many of us have found it quite challenging to provide thoughtful and constructive comments on each recommendation in this short a timeframe. While we work recommendation-by-recommendation, many of us are also grappling with the report as a whole, and we need time to confer within our constituencies to understand which are our most pressing “can’t live with” items, and to come up with creative solutions if needed to come to consensus. We note that many of our most challenging and contentious issues were the ones discussed most recently. Taking just five or so days to review new language on our most important issues with our constituencies has proven to be quite challenging, if not impossible. Frankly, it would not do justice to all the hard work we have put in to get this far if we rush through the most important parts, particularly if consensus will depend on more thoughtful review and constructive conversation. In light of the difficulty to accomplish substantive review and discussion in the requested timeframe, and with the goal of achieving consensus in Phase 2, we would like to request an additional two weeks to work through our “can’t live with” items. If granted, we can commit to providing thoughtful, constructive suggestions on any remaining items by COB on Friday, July 24. Thank you for your consideration. Brian J. King Director of Internet Policy and Industry Affairs, IP Group T +1 443 761 3726 clarivate.com<http://clarivate.com> [Image removed by sender. D39D107B] Confidentiality note: This e-mail may contain confidential information from Clarivate. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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Alan Greenberg -
Anderson, Marc -
Hadia Abdelsalam Mokhtar EL miniawi -
Kapin, Laureen -
King, Brian -
Mueller, Milton L -
Rafik Dammak -
Volker Greimann