Dear EPDP Team: As you have likely seen, EPDP Leadership has agreed to repurpose Thursday’s plenary session for a Legal Committee meeting since we just received legal advice from Bird & Bird. EPDP Support Staff circulated the updated write-up for Legal v. Natural<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OF_bSxXaiGwK_-jWVC8oq-weXMaX7iEVCWWTMhw9...> yesterday. There are several questions called out for EPDP Team response in the document. Thank you to those who have already provided input. In order for the Team to make progress in spite of the repurposed meeting, we kindly ask you to review the updated write-up<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OF_bSxXaiGwK_-jWVC8oq-weXMaX7iEVCWWTMhw9...> and provide feedback in comment form only to the questions posed. You are also welcome to continue providing feedback on the edited text in comment form only. Please provide feedback by COB Friday, 9 April. EPDP Support Staff will review the feedback received and produce an updated version prior to next week’s plenary meeting. Thank you. Best regards, Berry, Marika, and Caitlin
I would like to register my disagreement with the decision to cancel another plenary. We only have a very limited number of meetings prior to the drafting and issuance of our draft report. If the Legal Committee needs more time (which is not unreasonable or unexpected), they should be scheduled at other times. At this point, given where we are and what we have to do, I would think that we would be going in the opposite direction and using some Tuesdays for plenaries! There is little need for legal clarity if we do not have a full opportunity to discuss it. Alan At 2021-04-06 04:28 PM, Caitlin Tubergen via Gnso-epdp-team wrote:
Dear EPDP Team:
As you have likely seen, EPDP Leadership has agreed to repurpose Thursdayâs plenary session for a Legal Committee meeting since we just received legal advice from Bird & Bird.
EPDP Support Staff circulated the updated <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OF_bSxXaiGwK_-jWVC8oq-weXMaX7iEVCWWTMhw9Jyg/edit?usp=sharing>write-up for Legal v. Natural yesterday. There are several questions called out for EPDP Team response in the document. Thank you to those who have already provided input.
In order for the Team to make progress in spite of the repurposed meeting, we kindly ask you to review the <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OF_bSxXaiGwK_-jWVC8oq-weXMaX7iEVCWWTMhw9Jyg/edit?usp=sharing>updated write-up and provide feedback in comment form only to the questions posed. You are also welcome to continue providing feedback on the edited text in comment form only. Please provide feedback by COB Friday, 9 April.
EPDP Support Staff will review the feedback received and produce an updated version prior to next weekâs plenary meeting.
Thank you.
Best regards,
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Hi folks, I’m also concerned with reducing the number of plenary sessions that we have left. As has been emphasized, we are on a streamlined schedule. Hence, I suggest scheduling a make-up session for the recently canceled plenary session and the option to schedule additional plenary sessions if needed to meet our deadlines. Kind regards, Laureen Kapin Counsel for International Consumer Protection Federal Trade Commission (202) 326-3237 From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg via Gnso-epdp-team Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:50 AM To: Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org>; gnso-epdp-team@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] EPDP Phase 2A homework I would like to register my disagreement with the decision to cancel another plenary. We only have a very limited number of meetings prior to the drafting and issuance of our draft report. If the Legal Committee needs more time (which is not unreasonable or unexpected), they should be scheduled at other times. At this point, given where we are and what we have to do, I would think that we would be going in the opposite direction and using some Tuesdays for plenaries! There is little need for legal clarity if we do not have a full opportunity to discuss it. Alan At 2021-04-06 04:28 PM, Caitlin Tubergen via Gnso-epdp-team wrote: Dear EPDP Team: As you have likely seen, EPDP Leadership has agreed to repurpose Thursday’s plenary session for a Legal Committee meeting since we just received legal advice from Bird & Bird. EPDP Support Staff circulated the updated write-up for Legal v. Natural<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OF_bSxXaiGwK_-jWVC8oq-weXMaX7iEVCWWTMhw9...> yesterday. There are several questions called out for EPDP Team response in the document. Thank you to those who have already provided input. In order for the Team to make progress in spite of the repurposed meeting, we kindly ask you to review the updated write-up<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OF_bSxXaiGwK_-jWVC8oq-weXMaX7iEVCWWTMhw9...> and provide feedback in comment form only to the questions posed. You are also welcome to continue providing feedback on the edited text in comment form only. Please provide feedback by COB Friday, 9 April. EPDP Support Staff will review the feedback received and produce an updated version prior to next week’s plenary meeting. Thank you. Best regards, Berry, Marika, and Caitlin _______________________________________________ Gnso-epdp-team mailing list Gnso-epdp-team@icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-epdp-team _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service ( https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
Hi all, Responding to both Alan and Laureen, I understand the concern about our limited timeframe and losing important plenary session time. The Legal Committee analysis of Bird & Bird feedback is a critical component and gating factor for the full Team’s consideration and deliberation at plenary on those questions/answers. The Legal Committee received the response from B&B on Tuesday morning, which didn’t leave sufficient time to assess the substance before the previously scheduled Legal Committee meeting that same morning. As such, and in light of scheduling difficulties, we chose to repurpose this week’s plenary meeting. Moving forward, we will begin adding meetings (plenary and LC) as needed rather than repurposing. In the meantime, there is plenty of work to be done on the homework and I strongly encourage everyone to provide feedback on the latest draft of the legal/natural document as circulated by Caitlin on Monday (and attached). Repurposing this week’s plenary does not mean work stops, and I’m hopeful that we can continue advancing our work in the document and on the list while the Legal Committee digs in to the B&B response. Thanks and regards, Keith From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Kapin, Laureen via Gnso-epdp-team Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:13 AM To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>; Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org>; gnso-epdp-team@icann.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] EPDP Phase 2A homework Caution: This email originated from outside the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Hi folks, I’m also concerned with reducing the number of plenary sessions that we have left. As has been emphasized, we are on a streamlined schedule. Hence, I suggest scheduling a make-up session for the recently canceled plenary session and the option to schedule additional plenary sessions if needed to meet our deadlines. Kind regards, Laureen Kapin Counsel for International Consumer Protection Federal Trade Commission (202) 326-3237 From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg via Gnso-epdp-team Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:50 AM To: Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org<mailto:caitlin.tubergen@icann.org>>; gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] EPDP Phase 2A homework I would like to register my disagreement with the decision to cancel another plenary. We only have a very limited number of meetings prior to the drafting and issuance of our draft report. If the Legal Committee needs more time (which is not unreasonable or unexpected), they should be scheduled at other times. At this point, given where we are and what we have to do, I would think that we would be going in the opposite direction and using some Tuesdays for plenaries! There is little need for legal clarity if we do not have a full opportunity to discuss it. Alan At 2021-04-06 04:28 PM, Caitlin Tubergen via Gnso-epdp-team wrote: Dear EPDP Team: As you have likely seen, EPDP Leadership has agreed to repurpose Thursday’s plenary session for a Legal Committee meeting since we just received legal advice from Bird & Bird. EPDP Support Staff circulated the updated write-up for Legal v. Natural<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OF_bSxXaiGwK_-jWVC8oq-weXMaX7iEVCWWTMhw9...> yesterday. There are several questions called out for EPDP Team response in the document. Thank you to those who have already provided input. In order for the Team to make progress in spite of the repurposed meeting, we kindly ask you to review the updated write-up<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OF_bSxXaiGwK_-jWVC8oq-weXMaX7iEVCWWTMhw9...> and provide feedback in comment form only to the questions posed. You are also welcome to continue providing feedback on the edited text in comment form only. Please provide feedback by COB Friday, 9 April. EPDP Support Staff will review the feedback received and produce an updated version prior to next week’s plenary meeting. Thank you. 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I want to make it known that I agree with those who think it was a mistake to cancel this week’s meeting. The so-called legal committee is just a subset of people here. There is nothing they are going to say or do on their own that is going to advance the work of the epdp team. We will just have the same discussion twice. We have just wasted a week. The GNSO’s processes are becoming overly bureaucratic. I hasten to add that I do not agree that we should double up on epdp meetings to make up for this mistake. Milton Mueller Professor, School of Public Policy Georgia Institute of Technology On Apr 7, 2021, at 15:57, Drazek, Keith via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> wrote: Hi all, Responding to both Alan and Laureen, I understand the concern about our limited timeframe and losing important plenary session time. The Legal Committee analysis of Bird & Bird feedback is a critical component and gating factor for the full Team’s consideration and deliberation at plenary on those questions/answers. The Legal Committee received the response from B&B on Tuesday morning, which didn’t leave sufficient time to assess the substance before the previously scheduled Legal Committee meeting that same morning. As such, and in light of scheduling difficulties, we chose to repurpose this week’s plenary meeting. Moving forward, we will begin adding meetings (plenary and LC) as needed rather than repurposing. In the meantime, there is plenty of work to be done on the homework and I strongly encourage everyone to provide feedback on the latest draft of the legal/natural document as circulated by Caitlin on Monday (and attached). Repurposing this week’s plenary does not mean work stops, and I’m hopeful that we can continue advancing our work in the document and on the list while the Legal Committee digs in to the B&B response. Thanks and regards, Keith From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Kapin, Laureen via Gnso-epdp-team Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:13 AM To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca>; Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org>; gnso-epdp-team@icann.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] EPDP Phase 2A homework Caution: This email originated from outside the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Hi folks, I’m also concerned with reducing the number of plenary sessions that we have left. As has been emphasized, we are on a streamlined schedule. Hence, I suggest scheduling a make-up session for the recently canceled plenary session and the option to schedule additional plenary sessions if needed to meet our deadlines. Kind regards, Laureen Kapin Counsel for International Consumer Protection Federal Trade Commission (202) 326-3237 From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg via Gnso-epdp-team Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 10:50 AM To: Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org<mailto:caitlin.tubergen@icann.org>>; gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] EPDP Phase 2A homework I would like to register my disagreement with the decision to cancel another plenary. We only have a very limited number of meetings prior to the drafting and issuance of our draft report. If the Legal Committee needs more time (which is not unreasonable or unexpected), they should be scheduled at other times. At this point, given where we are and what we have to do, I would think that we would be going in the opposite direction and using some Tuesdays for plenaries! There is little need for legal clarity if we do not have a full opportunity to discuss it. Alan At 2021-04-06 04:28 PM, Caitlin Tubergen via Gnso-epdp-team wrote: Dear EPDP Team: As you have likely seen, EPDP Leadership has agreed to repurpose Thursday’s plenary session for a Legal Committee meeting since we just received legal advice from Bird & Bird. EPDP Support Staff circulated the updated write-up for Legal v. Natural<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OF_bSxXaiGwK_-jWVC8oq-weXMaX7iEVCWWTMhw9...> yesterday. There are several questions called out for EPDP Team response in the document. Thank you to those who have already provided input. 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Alan Greenberg -
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Kapin, Laureen -
Mueller, Milton L