Re-sending, this time including the cc line. From: Mark Svancarek (CELA) Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:23 AM To: Jan Janssen <jjanssen@petillion.law>; STROUNGI Melina <Melina.STROUNGI@ec.europa.eu>; Kapin, Laureen <LKAPIN@ftc.gov>; Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org>; Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org>; Berry Cobb <Berry.Cobb@icann.org> Subject: RE: [Gnso-epdp-team] Fwd: Initial Report - final version + redline The BC supports and encourages Melina's proposed edit and the previous proposed addition mentioned by Jan. /marksv From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of Jan Janssen via Gnso-epdp-team Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 5:35 AM To: STROUNGI Melina <Melina.STROUNGI@ec.europa.eu<mailto:Melina.STROUNGI@ec.europa.eu>>; Kapin, Laureen <LKAPIN@ftc.gov<mailto:LKAPIN@ftc.gov>>; Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org<mailto:caitlin.tubergen@icann.org>>; Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>>; Berry Cobb <Berry.Cobb@icann.org<mailto:Berry.Cobb@icann.org>> Cc: EPDP <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Fwd: Initial Report - final version + redline Also, the draft Initial Report does not reflect the proposed addition with respect to the EDPB letter of July 2018, which provides: "The GDPR does not apply to the processing of personal data which concerns legal persons and in particular undertakings established as legal persons, including the name and the form of the legal person and the contact details of the legal person." This should be added to the quote. As currently written, the quote from the EDPB letter is out of context. This comment was made within the "deadline" on 1 June 2021, but might have missed your attention. Best regards, Jan Janssen* jjanssen@petillion.law<mailto:jjanssen@petillion.law> +32 486 48 39 94 www.petillion.law<http://www.petillion.law> [cid:image001.png@01D75850.E926EFB0]<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.petill...> Attorneys - Advocaten - Avocats *Standing representative of Anlirosu bv, a private company with limited liability performing the legal services From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Jan Janssen via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> Reply to: Jan Janssen <jjanssen@petillion.law<mailto:jjanssen@petillion.law>> Date: Thursday, 3 June 2021 at 14:16 To: STROUNGI Melina <Melina.STROUNGI@ec.europa.eu<mailto:Melina.STROUNGI@ec.europa.eu>>, "Kapin, Laureen" <LKAPIN@ftc.gov<mailto:LKAPIN@ftc.gov>>, Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org<mailto:caitlin.tubergen@icann.org>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>>, Berry Cobb <Berry.Cobb@icann.org<mailto:Berry.Cobb@icann.org>> Cc: EPDP <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Fwd: Initial Report - final version + redline All, I can only second that. I very much appreciate the time and efforts you put into this and the wish to speed up the process as much as possible. However, that should not be a reason to rush into the public comment period with an initial report that contains parts that are unacceptable to working group members. If we proceed on this basis, it would only complicate the dynamic within the working group and make the public comments less orderly and more difficult to manage. What are the consequences of a small delay compared to the impact of publishing a report that we know is unacceptable to WG members? Why has today's meeting been cancelled, while it could have been used to discuss these edits? With respect to the way in which Preliminary Rec #1 is written, the draft Initial Report does not accurately reflect the 'level of consensus for the recommendations presented in the Initial Report', as required by Section 11 of the PDP Manual. This (and the other issues) must be sorted out before the Initial Report is published for public comments. Best regards, Jan Janssen* jjanssen@petillion.law<mailto:jjanssen@petillion.law> +32 486 48 39 94 www.petillion.law<http://www.petillion.law> [cid:image002.png@01D75850.E926EFB0]<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.petill...> Attorneys - Advocaten - Avocats *Standing representative of Anlirosu bv, a private company with limited liability performing the legal services From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of STROUNGI Melina via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> Reply to: STROUNGI Melina <Melina.STROUNGI@ec.europa.eu<mailto:Melina.STROUNGI@ec.europa.eu>> Date: Thursday, 3 June 2021 at 10:45 To: "Kapin, Laureen" <LKAPIN@ftc.gov<mailto:LKAPIN@ftc.gov>>, Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org<mailto:caitlin.tubergen@icann.org>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>>, Berry Cobb <Berry.Cobb@icann.org<mailto:Berry.Cobb@icann.org>> Cc: EPDP <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-epdp-team] Fwd: Initial Report - final version + redline Many thanks also from my side. I appreciate it was a difficult and time consuming task and thank you for the patience and efforts to find a middle ground. Without wanting to delay the process, I have to agree with Brian's remark that the way Preliminary Rec #1 is phrased is misleading. As it is at a prominent place at the beginning of the document and it states conclusively that no changes are recommended it may give the wrong impression to the reader. I believe most of us would feel more comfortable if it was slightly rephrased to capture that "despite some groups believing that such changes are needed, no consensus was received on this point and thus no changes have been made, but we welcome public comments on this point". I'm sorry; I know it must be frustrating as we want to publish this as soon as possible, but it is important to do it right. We have all devoted valuable time in the process and it is important that the text reflects this effort and the different voices heard. Best regards, Melina From: Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of Kapin, Laureen via Gnso-epdp-team Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 5:35 AM To: Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen@icann.org<mailto:caitlin.tubergen@icann.org>>; Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org<mailto:marika.konings@icann.org>>; Berry Cobb <Berry.Cobb@icann.org<mailto:Berry.Cobb@icann.org>> Cc: gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> Subject: [Gnso-epdp-team] Fwd: Initial Report - final version + redline Many thanks and appreciation to our excellent staff. I know that it was quite challenging to synthesize and organize our input for this closing lap of the initial report. I also realize that this work must have gobbled up weekend and holiday time. I'm sure I speak for the entire team when I acknowledge how fortunate we are to have the support of such dedicated and skilled colleagues. Hoping you all get some well deserved time off! Sent via phone. Please excuse typos and/or unintended auto-correct outcomes. Laureen Kapin Federal Trade Commission Begin forwarded message: From: Caitlin Tubergen via Gnso-epdp-team <gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org>> Date: June 2, 2021 at 6:03:00 PM PDT To: gnso-epdp-team@icann.org<mailto:gnso-epdp-team@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-epdp-team] Initial Report - final version + redline Dear EPDP Team, As Keith noted earlier, Leadership and the Staff Support Team have considered the input from our last meeting as well as suggested edits received via the feedback form and via the list and updated the Initial Report accordingly. The Support Staff Team has submitted the Initial Report to the ICANN org internal team for publication. Attached, you will find the final Initial Report as well as the redline version where you can see all of the changes. 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