Sure. Thanks. On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 4:41 AM Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> wrote:

Steve, Paul, thank you for your input. Please note that I’ve moved your input from text in the document to a comment in the margins as that may make it easier to review the text as it currently stands and review the comments separately. I hope you are fine with this approach.

Thanks,

Marika

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Thanks Steve. Thanks Marika.

I made a few notes under Steve’s notes. As I mention there, I agree with Steve that we should be careful not to make any avoidable mistakes in our data gathering experiment, but I don’t agree with Steve that the experiment itself is an error. The GNSO has a real chance to take a real step toward solving a real problem that has plagued us for several years now. Let’s not miss the chance.

Best,

Paul

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Marika,

Thanks. I have added text and comments. In brief, there is a huge disconnect here. You cannot get meaningful quantitative usage data until there is a usable system. The proposed plan is a mistake.

Steve

On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 6:35 AM Marika Konings <marika.konings@icann.org> wrote:

Dear All,

As a reminder, please provide any further input and/or suggestions you may have on the Proof of Concept Outline & Requirements (see https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m3dANwxKK_q8gk5OTBcANkPk-PkTOCMS/edit?pl... [docs.google.com] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1m3dANwxKK_q8g...>) by the end of today. The staff support team has made some minor updates in line with yesterday’s meeting (in redline).

For Monday’s meeting, hereby the proposed agenda:

*EPDP Phase 2 Small Team meeting with ICANN org to assess Proof of Concept proposed Requirements – Monday 28 March at 14.00 UTC*

1. Welcome 2. Walk through of Proof of Concept Outline & Expectations with ICANN org

1. What is the Proof of Concept expected to prove / disprove? 2. Which aspects of the SSAD recommendations are expected to be part of the proof of concept to provide essential insights? 3. Q & A – any clarifying questions to better understand the small teams expectations 4. Initial reactions – e.g. what is likely possible, what may be possible, what is likely impossible

1. Small team to consider what updates, if any, should be made to Proof of Concept based on discussion under #2 2. Confirm next steps & next EPDP Phase 2 Small Team meeting (Wednesday 30 March at 14.00 UTC)

Best regards,

Marika

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