Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group call on Wednesday, 12 November 2014 at 1700 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-20141112-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: George Kirikos - Individual Jim Bikoff – IPC Petter Rindforth – IPC Val Sherman – IPC Phil Corwin – BC Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP Mason Cole – RySG Lori Schulman – NPOC Gary Campbell – GAC Alexander Lerman – no SOI David Healsley - IPC Jay Chapman – Individual David Cake – NCUC Nat Cohen - BC David Maher – RySG Apologies: Kristine Dorrain- Individual Paul Tattersfield - Individual ICANN staff: Mary Wong Steve Chan Berry Cobb Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/97rhAg> https://community.icann.org/x/97rhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Wednesday, 12 November 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting on the 12th November 2014 Gary Campbell:Hi Jay, Nathalie Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Gary and Jay! Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all Val Sherman:Hello all George Kirikos:Hi everyone. Jay Chapman:Hi Everyone! Alexander Lerman:Greetings all Nathalie Peregrine:David Cake has joined the call Nathalie Peregrine:Lori Schulman has also joined the call Gary Campbell:Greg you have your hand up Gary Campbell:George rather George Kirikos:Right. I think that's what Paul's point was -- for the 3 major issues, i.e. having a TM, costs, and mutual jurisdiction, IGOs aren't necessarily 'special' either. George Kirikos:And so, Paul was trying to say that there should be an overall principle involved, rather than different strokes for different folks.... George Kirikos:It's nice to have you on today's call, Gary (Gary's with the GAC). Gary Campbell:Thanks George George Kirikos:Thanks Jim. Lori Schulman:I agree that we should focus on IGO's Jay Chapman:Agree with you, Phil George Kirikos:Yes, I think it makes sense to focus on IGOs, as the obstacles for INGOs don't seem different from other organizations. George Kirikos:http://www.state.gov/s/l/38648.htm Mary Wong:We are uploading it to the chat room George Kirikos:A private action, indeed. So, the 'mutual jurisdiction/immunity' issue exists in the normal course of enforcement. Nathalie Peregrine:Nat Cohen has joined the call Nat Cohen:Hi everyone. Sorry for joining late. George Kirikos:Welcome, Nat. Nat Cohen:Hi George Jay Chapman:Agree, Phil George Kirikos:I have to always correct myself when I say "real world" -- I meant "offline" world, since the "online" world is definitely real! :) Mary Wong:@George, :) George Kirikos:Has that IGO coaltion been created yet? George Kirikos:(i.e. we talked about sending out an invitation to all the IGO observers to the GAC) Petter Rindforth:I fully support that, as a necessary step to move on Mary Wong:@George, staf has that as an action item to take back to the Council George Kirikos:lol I see Mary had to backspace/delete "real world" too ... :-) Mary Wong:LOL - I did!!!! George Kirikos:Registrant can even initiate a court filing during the UDRP itself. George Kirikos:Does the General Counsel have access to Westlaw or other databases? George Kirikos:(i.e. to do a text search on court cases involving 6ter) Mary Wong:@George, I don't know (I wish I still did! :) George Kirikos:CanLII.org is a free Canadian court ruling database, but I didn't find much. Lori Schulman:I think that Google Scholar is free for case law research too. George Kirikos:Good point, Lori. Lori Schulman::) George Kirikos:unifem.com is still not owned by the IGO. Lori Schulman:In my experience IGO's and NGO's do not enforce in the same way as the Fortune 500. George Kirikos:Only 1 match in Google Scholar for 6ter. Lori Schulman:It's surprising what they don't own. George Kirikos:(for the Federal Courts) Petter Rindforth:Agree Lori Schulman:When I say enforce, I mean in the name space. Mary Wong:In my past life as an academic, Google Scholar wasn't very comprehensive or useful :( George Kirikos:Yes, the paid databases are the place to check.. $$$$ Lori Schulman:Lexis requires a monthly subscription. It is not pay as you go as in the past. You need a subscription. My organization does not have one...unfortunately. George Kirikos 2:Adobe froze. Petter Rindforth:Good reason to skip that date George Kirikos:Anyone else having Adobe issues? Keeps freezing up. George Kirikos:Good to skip that date. I'd also skip December 24, 2014. Nathalie Peregrine:@ George, my AC seems fine. George Kirikos:(if we're sticking to Wednesdays) Jay Chapman:agree with George, might add 12/31 as well Lori Schulman:This is my second Adobe call today and it's been wonky all day especially the mobile app. Nathalie Peregrine:{Please use Firefox and keep it updated as much as possible as this does tend to erase bugs George Kirikos:It's been stable other days. First time it has ever froze up on me, in many uses. Nathalie Peregrine:Update can be found here: • Open your Firefox Web Browser and navigate to the following URL:• https://arcps.adobeconnect.com/common/help/en/support/meeting_test.htm• On Step #4 of the Test – Please select “Install Add-in” Or “Update Add-in” Alexander Lerman:Thanks all George Kirikos:Bye everyone. Have a great day! Jay Chapman:Thanks, Everyone. Goodbye! Lori Schulman:ciao