Dear All, Please find the attendance and MP3 recording along with the AC recording and chat below for the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting held on Thursday, 08 June 2017 at 16:00 UTC. Mp3: https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-08jun17-en.mp3 AC Recording: <https://participate.icann.org/p5mr9ivogrq/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=980ecc2001b7c56d b17d5aadc92897136cc52b6e4e095d668c49bb166b20dd87> https://participate.icann.org/p5mr9ivogrq/ The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar> https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar Attendees: George Kirikos Petter Rindforth Mason Cole Paul Tattersfield David Maher Phil Corwin Osvaldo Novoa Nat Cohen Apologies: Jay Chapman ICANN staff: Mary Wong Steve Chan Berry Cobb Dennis Chang Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/ Wiki Agenda page: <https://community.icann.org/x/njbwAw> https://community.icann.org/x/njbwAw Thank you. Kind regards, Terri ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Thursday, 08 June 2017 Terri Agnew:Welcome to the IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group call on Thursday, 08 June 2017 at 16:00 UTC for 90 minutes Terri Agnew:agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_n jbwAw <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_ njbwAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpC IgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6mVdPjzVIZckSMOhJSVWWtazk8FKYoq1c43se8Fqgr U&s=Qa7PjOFu7h7HJz0e1PcJumAwWdsy5SYtYtSqh_YmMmc&e> &d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6mVdPjzVIZckSMOhJSVWWtazk8FKYoq1c43se8FqgrU&s=Qa 7PjOFu7h7HJz0e1PcJumAwWdsy5SYtYtSqh_YmMmc&e= George Kirikos:Hi folks. Paul Tattersfield:Hi everyone George Kirikos:Hi Paul. Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all. George Kirikos:Hi Osvaldo. George Kirikos:I think the agenda is to go over the pros/cons doc that went out today. George Kirikos:?? George Kirikos:i.e. alternative procedure Petter Rindforth:...and finally I reached by phone as well :-) George Kirikos:We've already identified cases in the Swaine report on UDRP cases brought by IGOs. George Kirikos:(Swaine repeated the cases we'd identified on the mailing list, etc.) George Kirikos:2 weeks ago (no call last week). Berry Cobb:@Phil - yes. It is now part of GNSO Op Procedures as part of DMPM recommendations. Impact analysis on proposed recommendations. Berry Cobb:Data & Metrics for Policy Making. A WG concluded in 2013. About data driven analysis in policy development. Mason Cole:Feedback on the line George Kirikos:Someone's slurping a drink? Mary Wong:sorry I'm having connectivity problems Paul Tattersfield:Steve what are you classing as "their domains"? George Kirikos:I understand the idea of a risk assessment. Just concerned about ICANN staff doing self-directed data collection/analysis, that hadn't gone through the working group members first. Mary Wong:the staff research is supposed to assist with the risk analysis the WG agreed to last week and that steve just clarified Berry Cobb:I'll defer to next week, please. I'm not dialed in. George Kirikos:Staff are here to support the working group, and shouldn't be doing independent/self-directed research, in my view. Paul Tattersfield:Is there a list of the 192? IGOs that the GAC wanted to "protect"? Mary Wong:paul, yes - it's the GAC list from 2013 that is out predecessor wg looked at and used too Paul Tattersfield:thanks Mary, has there been any updates to it? Mary Wong:paul, no Mary Wong:note that this is a staff draft meant to facilitate WG discussion and not intended as conclusory or any sort of staff view Paul Tattersfield:I think it's also worth noting he articles of the IGO's require them to settle disputes in an appropriate forum this doesn't necessarily ean only the forum that the IGO chooses. Paul Tattersfield:ean=mean George Kirikos:Same for country-code TLDs. Petter Rindforth:Again, a separate DRP seems to be an easy way in the first thought, but once anyone study all the details it seems more difficult to create and to work in a practical and acceptable way George Kirikos:+1 Petter. George Kirikos:US Govt was also concerned about "fake" IGOs. George Kirikos:Small group proposal was sloppy, confusing and/or in a few places, etc., i.e. not just "forum shopping", but legal test shopping. Paul Tattersfield:That's another list I think it would be helpful to see George George Kirikos:Indeed, Paul. Mason Cole:need to head to another call. see some of you in jo'burg. thanks Petter and Phil. Petter Rindforth:See you there! Mary Wong:on the down how negative in point 3, I think we could have phrased it better as a drp that is "based on something other than trademark rights" (instead of "not on trademark rights"). sorry for the confusion. George Kirikos:Option 2 is not best for the domain owner! Mary Wong: ** double (not down how) George Kirikos:Is anyone supporting a separate DRP? Perhaps a straw poll? George Kirikos:X to oppose? Petter Rindforth:George, I see your hands up ;-) Mary Wong:should we also take this question to the mailing list? Petter Rindforth:Yes George Kirikos:"Full consensus" George Kirikos::-) George Kirikos:Dennis = staff George Kirikos:So, that's everyone. George Kirikos:Subject to anyone on the mailing list objecting, though, as Mary suggested. George Kirikos:Add that as an Action Item, perhaps. George Kirikos:Ask if anyone objects to closing the "Separate DRP" topic. Mary Wong:will there be a meeting on 22 June? Terri Agnew:ICANN59 final schedule: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icann59johannesburg2017 .sched.com_ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icann59johannesburg201 7.sched.com_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dX AvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6mVdPjzVIZckSMOhJSVWWtazk8FKYoq1c43s e8FqgrU&s=_qz_J664p21UjYhPcO1clI7UZE6BC99x11tnlqehnq8&e> &d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6mVdPjzVIZckSMOhJSVWWtazk8FKYoq1c43se8FqgrU&s=_q z_J664p21UjYhPcO1clI7UZE6BC99x11tnlqehnq8&e= George Kirikos:So, will there be another GNSO council status update, meeting with IGOs, etc? Mary Wong:we can discuss the joburg agenda on next week's call perhaps Steve Chan:Thanks Terri, and here is the link to the specific meeting: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_B49J <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_B49J&d=DwIFaQ& c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfq a0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6mVdPjzVIZckSMOhJSVWWtazk8FKYoq1c43se8FqgrU&s=v72o-APNeyoY oNM5Hmwubx7sab5arVySOPMMTS35qjw&e> &d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=6mVdPjzVIZckSMOhJSVWWtazk8FKYoq1c43se8FqgrU&s=v7 2o-APNeyoYoNM5Hmwubx7sab5arVySOPMMTS35qjw&e= Terri Agnew:working group taking place Tuesday, 27 June 10:30-12:00 local time Steve Chan:FYI, Mary and I are both traveling the 22nd. George Kirikos:Ugh, that's in the middle of the night in North America. Terri Agnew:The next IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group call will take place on Thursday, 15 June 2017 at 16:00 UTC for 90 minutes Petter Rindforth:Ballroom 2... George Kirikos:4:30 am Toronto/NYC time. :-) George Kirikos:(6 hours difference) George Kirikos:Bye folks. Mary Wong:there will prob also be a chance for phil and petter to update the Council on Monday Paul Tattersfield:thanks Phil, all bye