Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group call on Monday 08 September 2014 at 1900 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-20140908-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Imran Ahmed Shah – NCUC Phil Corwin – BC George Kirikos - Individual Jay Chapman – Individual Jim Bikoff – IPC Nat Cohen – BC Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP Paul Tattersfield – Individual Petter Rindforth – IPC Val Sherman – IPC Griffin Barnett – IPC Mason Cole – RySG Reg Levy – RySG Kathy Kleiman-NCUC Kristine Dorrain – Individual David Heasley – IPC Alexander Lerman – no SOI Apologies: John Mcgrann – RrSG David Maher - RySG ICANN staff: Mary Wong Steve Chan Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/97rhAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie ------------------------------- Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting on the 8th September 2014 Nathalie Peregrine:Audio has been enabled in the AC room Jay Chapman:Hi Nathalie. Where will I find a dial-in number for audio? Nathalie Peregrine:on the email invitation Nathalie Peregrine:where are you based? Jay Chapman:got it. the email was curtailed Nathalie Peregrine:ok great! Reg - M+M:Is audio dial-in only? Mary Wong:@Reg, thre's audio in the Adobe Connect room as well. Mary Wong:And you can also turn on your mic for speaking purposes in AC. Val Sherman:Hello All. Also dialed in, along with Griffin Barnett and David Heasley Reg - M+M:Okay, just no one's speaking right now :) Reg - M+M:thanks! Nathalie Peregrine:noted! Mary Wong:You're most welcome! Reg - M+M:I am a new member in the sense that this is my first call—but my SOI is updated. George Kirikos:Will this be a 1 hour call, or 90 mins? Nathalie Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa and Alexander Lerman have joined the ca;; Nathalie Peregrine:@ Gearge, 60 mins George Kirikos:Great, thanks. Nathalie Peregrine:Imran Ahmed Shah has joined the call George Kirikos:Q: Has this been acknowledged by the entire board, or just the subset of the board in the New GTLDs Committee? George Kirikos:(there was some debate on that on the GNSO Council mailing list, so it was unclear) Kristine Dorrain-NAF:sorry to introduce myself and run but I had short notice on this meeting and have a conflict. See you all next week! Petter Rindforth:yes, you are correct Imran Ahmed Shah:I suggest that we the WG members should be provided with the access to the databases to have a look onto them before the discussion about recommendations or discussion starts. George Kirikos:Do you mean the TMCH database, Imran? Or some other ones? Imran Ahmed Shah:yes also the other databases like yearbook of IGO, IGNO and others George Kirikos:Right, I suggested those, although they're very expensive -- hopefully ICANN can either buy it, or ask for it to be free (since we're using it for "academic" or "research" purposes) Imran Ahmed Shah:yes, Imran Ahmed Shah:I agree that we will need to review for policy development process George Kirikos:The Doodle poll was fairly even --- conceivably we could rotate the dates/times? Mary Wong:@George, if possible we'd like to avoid that as from past experience that's proven more confusing than we'd thought :) George Kirikos:Ok. :) Imran Ahmed Shah:It is fine for me to both Mon or Tue same time Imran Ahmed Shah:altou its 00 mid night, but some times its ok Kathy Kleiman:Mondays are good for me. Reg - M+M:fine for me George Kirikos:I'll be fine with this time, personally, for most weeks. George Kirikos:(can't speak for others who aren't present, though) Jay Chapman:next Mon works - not all will Imran Ahmed Shah:And what will be the agenda of next meeting? George Kirikos:Can we have the draft work plan well in advance of the next meeting? George Kirikos:(if we're just seeing it for the first time next Monday, we won't be able to put forth meaningful comments/analysis) Imran Ahmed Shah:yes, it will be helpful to review Mary Wong:@George, the idea is to share it with the WG as much prior to Monday as we can :) George Kirikos:Thanks, Mary. Kathy Kleiman:But that is not knowledge now held by this WG Mary Wong:Staff can circulate the documents that Jim mentioned for this WG's review. Kathy Kleiman:@Mary: great George Kirikos:Correct about the IOC. THe question is, if they're exercising the rights, why change the status quo? Imran Ahmed Shah:I do not agree that without looking onto the data and information, we will be preparing right policy George Kirikos:(and that's part of the scope of this group, i.e. IGO/INGOs concerned about immunity, etc.) Kathy Kleiman:But what analysis has been done of the scope of protection of an IGO with a very general name, e.g., World Health Organization? George Kirikos:Yes, Kathy. e.g. for ISO, there are registered TMs for gloves, etc. Kathy Kleiman:The concern is that many similar organizations, with similar missions, and no intent to infringe, easily overlap in these highly descriptive names. George Kirikos:So, part of our work should be an examination, i.e. going out and getting all the data, to measure the extent of the problems, concurrent uses, etc. Mary Wong:One distinction between an IGO and an INGO is the different "hurdles" each has with using the UDRP and URS. For instance, IGOs have a jurisdictional immunity issue that INGOs do not have - this was in the Issue Report as a basis for the Council to initiate the PDP. Mary Wong:@George, we are hoping that NAF and WIPO can assist us in that regard (data etc.) George Kirikos:By, for example, surveying all IGOs/INGOs directly, we can actually get more scientific data, rather than ad hoc data like we currently have from a few voices. George Kirikos:(if we have the budget to go out and send a mass mailing, for example) George Kirikos:Looks like we're close to 4 pm. George Kirikos:Bye everyone. Imran Ahmed Shah:Thansk Kathy Kleiman:Tx!