Dear All, Please find the attendance and MP3 recording along with the AC recording and chat below for the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting held on Thursday, 20 April 2017 at 16:00 UTC. Mp3: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-pdp-20apr17-en.mp3 AC Recording: <https://participate.icann.org/p7itd16kw48/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=270a392f7eacd741 b08abf3f2654f84519ad6e8cf34f5cf5e6c5e8497ddb0bc4> https://participate.icann.org/p7itd16kw48/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__audio.icann.org_gnso_gn so-2Dcrp-2Dpdp-2D13oct16-2Den.mp3&d=DQMF-g&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6s Jms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsj Wv9&m=asM5JoG30Yqf49-Nims9k3McNfFtmzlAe1HmuXI6wic&s=0nZvoU1RqsjvPcNWDN_a2vVZ Dp9uXeyGO8NN2dN5h74&e=> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group -2Dactivities_calendar-23nov&d=DQMF-g&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7x cl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m =wBBn3Ar2_mvUeGcM8rpOAyluUFEJFG5lASQ-cAccI2k&s=3BfiwO43tzwlrIbIyBY4Q-14zsFQC X518fLLR8GWR7I&e=> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar Attendees: David Maher - RySG George Kirikos - Individual Jay Chapman - Individual Paul Tattersfield - Individual Petter Rindforth - IPC (co-chair) Poncelet Ileleji - NPOC Kathy Kleiman - NCUC Apologies: Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP Phil Corwin - BC (co-chair) Mason Cole - RySG Mary Wong - staff ICANN staff: Evin Erdogdu Steve Chan Dennis Chang Berry Cobb Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/ Wiki Agenda page: https://community.icann.org/x/YtLRAw Thank you. Kind regards, Terri ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Thursday, 20 April 2017 Terri Agnew:Welcome to the IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group call on Thursday, 20 April 2017 at 16:00 UTC for 90 minutes Terri Agnew:agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_Y tLRAw <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_ YtLRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpC IgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=whryeAu2VDAw0A4qCveouUAPvrII88s2GQ5mvOo2PW A&s=RKqZqSVWHSBjwaI_Smesu6-wRdOjBbEFfNj3blhDXE8&e> &d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=whryeAu2VDAw0A4qCveouUAPvrII88s2GQ5mvOo2PWA&s=RK qZqSVWHSBjwaI_Smesu6-wRdOjBbEFfNj3blhDXE8&e= Evin Erdogdu:Hello all! George Kirikos:Hi folks. Paul Tattersfield:Hi everyeone George Kirikos:Welcome, Paul. Paul Tattersfield:Thanks George, did you follow the football you were very unlucky in the fast few minutes George Kirikos:Which football game? Paul Tattersfield:Greece vs Belgium George Kirikos:I wasn't watching. TV overload these days! Terri Agnew:Welcome Jay Chapman George Kirikos:Links to each comment is at: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2017-April/000703.html Jay Chapman:Thanks, Terri Terri Agnew:Welcome Poncelet Ileleji Poncelet Ileleji:THanks Terri George Kirikos:They were explicitly in favour of Option #1 for Recommendation 4, but that wasn't reflected in the spreadsheet. George Kirikos:(same for Jay's comments) Jay Chapman:Yes, thanks, George Jay Chapman:sorry - connectivity issues George Kirikos:Today? Or International Atomic Energy Agency , World Bank, UNESCO, UPU, and International Finance Corporation first? George Kirikos:I got bumped too, Jay, from the audio. Had to dial back in. Terri Agnew:Kathy Kleiman has joined on audio Terri Agnew:If dial outs are needed on the telephone, let me know George Kirikos:Most of the remaining comments are pretty short already (under 5 pages, mostly). George Kirikos:It looks like Rec #1 is not controversial. Even the INGOs didn't bother to comment about it. George Kirikos:So, should we go through those 5 IGO comments today, before the Review Tool? George Kirikos:I was opposed to rec #5 too. Steve Chan:@Petter, these have not been reviewed yet as far as staff understands George Kirikos:Just looking for "new" arguments. George Kirikos:The GoDaddy example appears to be "new". Although, that's distinguishable, because GoDaddy's registrants actually have a contractual relationship with GoDaddy (unlike registrants and IGOs, who have no relationship). George Kirikos:Also, other registrars don't require arbitration. George Kirikos:Did we lose Petter? Petter Rindforth:I'm calling in Terri Agnew:great ,thanks Petter George Kirikos:Welcome back, Petter. George Kirikos:We have to be careful with the next comments. The International Atomic Energy Agency has nukes! :-) George Kirikos:IAEA immunity actually seems to be functional, according to their website, see: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.iaea.org_about_stat ute-23a1-2D15 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.iaea.org_about_sta tute-23a1-2D15&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2 dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=whryeAu2VDAw0A4qCveouUAPvrII88s2GQ 5mvOo2PWA&s=z_tULda8135_L_cdg0-sB0oiSxaLOGqGM1APqp7-wc0&e> &d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=whryeAu2VDAw0A4qCveouUAPvrII88s2GQ5mvOo2PWA&s=z_ tULda8135_L_cdg0-sB0oiSxaLOGqGM1APqp7-wc0&e= George Kirikos:"A. The Agency shall enjoy in the territory of each member such legal capacity and such privileges and immunities as are necessary for the exercise of its functions." Paul Tattersfield:its not even defending their own assets it is looking to seize others assets for whatever reason George Kirikos:There's an academic article that notes they can waive their immunity, too, see: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ir.lawnet.fordham.edu_cg i_viewcontent.cgi-3Farticle-3D2017-26context-3Dflr <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ir.lawnet.fordham.edu_c gi_viewcontent.cgi-3Farticle-3D2017-26context-3Dflr&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrc rwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk &m=whryeAu2VDAw0A4qCveouUAPvrII88s2GQ5mvOo2PWA&s=ZlkQsncPw-Vn3nqub9Gb6kNBC9- y8fQjiQeiVbqTlWw&e> &d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=whryeAu2VDAw0A4qCveouUAPvrII88s2GQ5mvOo2PWA&s=Zl kQsncPw-Vn3nqub9Gb6kNBC9-y8fQjiQeiVbqTlWw&e= George Kirikos:Do we know the exact list of members of the IGO small group? (i.e. did each of them submit a comment to us?) George Kirikos:World Bank is interesting, since they've actually won UDRPs. Paul Tattersfield:Surely they only need to register in 1 country to use UDRP George Kirikos:@Paul: Indeed. George Kirikos:I didn't understand that comment by them. Paul Tattersfield:actually they don't even need to register in one country because UDRP doesn't require the registration of a mark for standing George Kirikos:Yes, common law. And Article 6ter is a complement/supplement, to show those common law rights to their usual names. George Kirikos:+1 Petter Paul Tattersfield:+1 Petter George Kirikos:UNESCO George Kirikos:10.b is interesting, since they claim that the mutual jurisdiction won't affect them. :-) Poncelet Ileleji:+1 Peter Paul Tattersfield:On immunity the United Nations Convention on Jurisdictional Immunities of States and Their Property (2004) may be worth further study (I don't remember the working group looking at it previously} Paul Tattersfield:Article 14 for example places considerable restrictions on foreign states seeking to invoke immunity in disputes on intellectual property George Kirikos:https://treaties.un.org/doc/source/RecentTexts/English_3_13.pdf George Kirikos:We might be able to get to the International Finance Corporation today (8 minutes left), since the UPU comment is so short. George Kirikos:IFC comment is just one-and-a-half pages. George Kirikos:That's a puzzling comment -- they claim that a domain owner would try to LOSE the UDRP, in order to arrive at court? Very odd. George Kirikos:Oh, I understand it now --- they're saying that a complainant would make the IGO a respondent in the UDRP, in order to get to court. That's something that could take place now. George Kirikos:(but hasnt happened, in 10+ years) George Kirikos:Actually, 18+ years. Steve Chan:Time chec... Steve Chan:*check* Terri Agnew:IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group call will take place on Thursday, 27 April 2017 at 16:00 UTC for 90 minutes George Kirikos:Bye folks! Have a great day! Jay Chapman:thanks, all Paul Tattersfield:Thanks Petter, everyone. Bye All Poncelet Ileleji:bye all