Dear All, Please find the attendance and MP3 recording for the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Protection PDP WG Meeting held on Thursday, 08 December 2016 at 17:00 UTC at: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__audio.icann.org_gnso_gns...> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-08dec16-en.mp3 <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-crp-access-08dec16-en.mp3> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__audio.icann.org_gnso_gns...> On page: https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#dec[gnso.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar-23dec&d=DgMF-g&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=WjrWeYM_QjNq5LysKiI8HMeyAEf4PlXv0bf3d0ZhePA&s=UCQijLVN1cetQwNdo1k-2kMqzDgu5w-eqjjZ0JiXpfs&e=> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar-23nov&d=DQMF-g&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=wBBn3Ar2_mvUeGcM8rpOAyluUFEJFG5lASQ-cAccI2k&s=3BfiwO43tzwlrIbIyBY4Q-14zsFQCX518fLLR8GWR7I&e=> Attendees: David Maher – RySG George Kirikos – Individual Jay Chapman – Individual Paul Tattersfield – Individual Petter Rindforth - IPC Phil Corwin – BC Apologies: Mason Cole – RySG Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP ICANN staff: Mary Wong Dennis Chang Steve Chan Berry Cobb Michelle DeSmyter ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mm.icann.org_pipermail_gnso-2Dppsai-2Dpdp-2Dwg_&d=DQMF-g&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=wBBn3Ar2_mvUeGcM8rpOAyluUFEJFG5lASQ-cAccI2k&s=0DPVbyS_PjKHjDK_BuEqUeaDPy30OftE7eI0j4dIwJc&e=> Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/jpnDAw Thank you. Kind regards, Michelle DeSmyter ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Thursday, 08 December 2016 Michelle DeSmyter:Dear all, welcome to the IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms Working Group on Thursday, 08 December 2016 at 17:00 UTC. Michelle DeSmyter:Meeting page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_j... George Kirikos:Hi folks. Jay Chapman:Hi George George Kirikos:Hi Jay. How are you? Jay Chapman:Great - you? Petter Rindforth:Hi & welcome Jay Chapman:Hi Petter George Kirikos:I'm fine, thanks. George Kirikos:Hey Petter. Paul Tattersfield:Hi everyone Philip Corwin:Good day all George Kirikos:Welcome Paul and Phil. Jay Chapman:yes George Kirikos:Some of the SOIs are missing on the website. We should encourage those missing them to fill them out. George Kirikos:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_pag... George Kirikos:That was the post at: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2016-December/000623.html in case folks missed it. Jay Chapman:Petter, George's point is a very salient one to make in the report Philip Corwin:I agree it is good to emphasize that CRP mechanisms are supplements to judicial and law enforcement actions George Kirikos:It's reflected/addressed in the latest draft, I believe. George Kirikos:We've not had any new input from the IGOs or GAC, I assume? Berry Cobb:FYI, Mary is trying to join this session. She should be on momentarily. Mary Wong:Sorry I'm late, everyone' Mary Wong:Yes, all are reflected except Phil's latest Mary Wong:Yes Mary Wong:Section 6 is incorporated from Phil but not Section 4 George Kirikos:I think my comment yesterday isn't there. George Kirikos:A typo, see: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2016-December/000627.html Philip Corwin:I believe that elsewhere in the report we point out that we found evidence that IGOs have used the UDRP. Correct? Mary Wong:@Phil, yes Jay Chapman:Based on the WG's thorough investigation, George's idea of putting a footnote on this issue seems duly warranted Mary Wong:@George, we can add as answers to these questions "as posed to us by the Council" or something like tht Jay Chapman:that's a good idea, Mary - and still add the footnote George Kirikos:Right, so it's a false premise. So maybe a footnote on that page, so that folks don't misrepresent our "No" or take it out of context. Mary Wong:As these are the actual questions that we were asked by the GNSO Council George Kirikos:Because, the IGOs are playing some political games, so a footnote might ensure that that sentence doesn't get misused. Philip Corwin:I think a footnote that references the finding elsewhere in the report is sufficient Mary Wong:We will make the necessary reference/adjustment, thanks Mary Wong:@Petter, all - yes, we made most of the suggested changes but left as comments those comments that may require more substanative changes or other more substantial edits George Kirikos:Is Phil's hand new? George Kirikos:I read Phil's changes, and they seemed fine to me for Sec #6. George Kirikos:I guess page 8 has the next major "debatable" point (see margin). Philip Corwin:That was my deletion because it was negated by receipt of the Small Group Proposal Philip Corwin:What page are we discussing??? Mary Wong:Page 8 going into Page 9, I believe Steve Chan:I've synced the page temporarily Jay Chapman:yes Jay Chapman:p9 George Kirikos:Sorry it was page 9. Jay Chapman:Agree w George Paul Tattersfield:agree but it needs re wording George Kirikos:Thanks Jay. George Kirikos:It looks like it's in the "Action Items" on the right pod. Mary Wong:@Petter, yes, that is why we didn't include that in this Section 6 as threre are no recommendations from the WG at this time on the Small Group Proposal George Kirikos:That's a fair point, Phil. George Kirikos:Well, we've essentially rejected the Small Group proposal. George Kirikos:(which is a "recommendation" of a sort) :-) George Kirikos:i.e. maybe we should explicitly recommend non-acceptance of the IGO proposal? George Kirikos:We should do a full typo check of the entire document, of course, before we publish. Paul Tattersfield:The Small group output demonstrates the problem having a policy drawn up by only people with a similar shared objectives George Kirikos:+1 Paul Steve Chan:@Phil, as noted, the draft in the AC room does not include your latest updates, but we do have them loaded to view separately. George Kirikos:They'll need to be merged later. George Kirikos:(and that'll cause all the page numbers to change) George Kirikos:Perhaps next week will be a "last call for edits", so that folks like Lori, Kathy, Paul Keating and any other "acive" members can get in their final views? Mary Wong:@George, we will circulate an updated draft along with a full draft report to the list George Kirikos:(i.e. before next week's meeting) George Kirikos:Are we looking at Phil's draft now? George Kirikos:(I'm lost --- which page are we on??) George Kirikos:(nevermind, I guess we're on page 6 now) Jay Chapman:I don't see any edits on p7 George Kirikos:He's not looking at the one in the Adobe pod. George Kirikos:My edits are there too. Jay Chapman:I made a few edits in the chart as well Paul Tattersfield:It would be helpful if the document window could be made wider and the Notes window smaller i.e. just the same height as the chat window then you could have a larger font and still see the whole document more often with out horizontal scrolling Jay Chapman:agree w Phil George Kirikos:We can discuss Agenda item #4 now. George Kirikos:To get intended date of publication, etc. George Kirikos:The first Monday in January is January 2. So, maybe aim for January 9th or so? George Kirikos:(or earlier, if folks think we're up to it) George Kirikos:Here's a January calendar: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.timeanddate.com_cal... Mary Wong:@George, we would recommend the second week in Jan to publish George Kirikos:Yep, that makes sense, Mary, i.e. the week of January 9th. Get folks to "ease into" things in the first week, and be back in business in 2nd week of January. :-) Mary Wong:@George, yup Mary Wong:@Phil, yes George Kirikos:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_pag... Mary Wong:@George, we will try to highlight that in the next circulation, which will be of the full draft Initial Report George Kirikos:A consensus of 10 or 20 people is better than just 5 or 6. Philip Corwin:Yes Mary, highlight that when the full report draft is circulated. Mary Wong:Will do, Phil Jay Chapman:thanks, all George Kirikos:Bye folks!