PLEASE READ: Deadline for proposals and agenda for Working Group meeting this week
SENT ON BEHALF OF PHIL AND PETTER (WORKING GROUP CO-CHAIRS) Dear Working Group members, We are moving toward concluding our deliberations on the topic of whether (and if so, what) recommendation to make to deal with the situation where the losing respondent files a claim in a national court but the IGO succeeds in claiming immunity from the jurisdiction of that court. With thanks to Zak for timely submitting proposed text on a new option for this topic, which we will consider on our next call this Thursday, we request that if any Working Group member has any proposed text for consideration, please submit the actual text you are proposing for Working Group consideration no later than one hour before the Thursday call (i.e. 1600 UTC on 14 December). This will be the deadline for submission of any options to be included in any further polling of the WG for support or opposition. The proposed agenda for the call this Thursday is as follows: 1. Roll call/updates to Statements of Interest 2. Co-Chairs’ recap of discussion with Nominet legal counsel on the Nominet appeal process 3. Review of text proposed by Zak for a new option (in the context of a possible Recommendation #3) 4. Presentation of Co-Chairs’ proposal for concluding deliberations on Recommendation #3 and conducting the Working Group Consensus Call for all Recommendations and options 5. Scheduling the next meeting We hope that as many Working Group members as possible can attend the call this week, as we hope to wrap up discussions on this one remaining possible recommendation, and proceed with the formal Consensus Call before the end of this year. Best regards, Phil and Petter
Dear All, With regards to the Consensus Call, I wonder if it is preferable to have a ‘ranked ballot’ if possible, so that members can rank their choices in order of preference. In this manner the vote will reflect the choice that is the most agreeable to the most people. Ranked voting is considered a more accurate measure of voter sentiment than the typical 'plurality' voting, especially when there are more than two options, and especially when some of the options share similarities while others are quite dissimilar. Ranked voting is in use by Australia, by Canadian political parties, by the Oscars for picking the Best Picture winner, by San Francisco for picking it mayor and now by Maine for picking most of its elected officials ( https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/03/us/maine-ranked-choice-voting.html). More information about ranked ballots is available here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_voting. Zak *From:* Gnso-igo-ingo-crp [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Mary Wong *Sent:* December-12-17 4:47 PM *To:* gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org *Subject:* [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] PLEASE READ: Deadline for proposals and agenda for Working Group meeting this week SENT ON BEHALF OF PHIL AND PETTER (WORKING GROUP CO-CHAIRS) Dear Working Group members, We are moving toward concluding our deliberations on the topic of whether (and if so, what) recommendation to make to deal with the situation where the losing respondent files a claim in a national court but the IGO succeeds in claiming immunity from the jurisdiction of that court. With thanks to Zak for timely submitting proposed text on a new option for this topic, which we will consider on our next call this Thursday, we request that *if any Working Group member has any proposed text for consideration, please submit the actual text you are proposing for Working Group consideration no later than one hour before the Thursday call (i.e. 1600 UTC on 14 December). **This will be the deadline for submission of any options to be included in any further polling of the WG for support or opposition*. The proposed agenda for the call this Thursday is as follows: 1. Roll call/updates to Statements of Interest 2. Co-Chairs’ recap of discussion with Nominet legal counsel on the Nominet appeal process 3. Review of text proposed by Zak for a new option (in the context of a possible Recommendation #3) 4. Presentation of Co-Chairs’ proposal for concluding deliberations on Recommendation #3 and conducting the Working Group Consensus Call for all Recommendations and options 5. Scheduling the next meeting We hope that as many Working Group members as possible can attend the call this week, as we hope to wrap up discussions on this one remaining possible recommendation, and proceed with the formal Consensus Call before the end of this year. Best regards, Phil and Petter
Dear all, Further to Mary’s below email, and further to Paul Keating’s suggestion to the WG of yesterday, I am proposing a revision to the original proposal to be made, so that the below is now the proposal that I am making in replacement of the one which I originally proposed: “Our initial report and recommendation (that no change is required) remains valid and should be reflected in the published report of this WG. Our report should advise that even if a change were advisable or appropriate, such would necessarily require modifications to the UDRP and its accompanying rules. As such changes are within the ambit of the RPM WG, we feel it inappropriate to inject our proposals in that regard. Accordingly, the IGO WG strongly recommends that any changes to how the UDRP procedure is drafted and employed for IGO's, if any, should be referred to the RPM WG for consideration within its broader mandate to review the UDRP.” Zak *From:* Gnso-igo-ingo-crp [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Mary Wong *Sent:* December-12-17 4:47 PM *To:* gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org *Subject:* [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] PLEASE READ: Deadline for proposals and agenda for Working Group meeting this week SENT ON BEHALF OF PHIL AND PETTER (WORKING GROUP CO-CHAIRS) Dear Working Group members, We are moving toward concluding our deliberations on the topic of whether (and if so, what) recommendation to make to deal with the situation where the losing respondent files a claim in a national court but the IGO succeeds in claiming immunity from the jurisdiction of that court. With thanks to Zak for timely submitting proposed text on a new option for this topic, which we will consider on our next call this Thursday, we request that *if any Working Group member has any proposed text for consideration, please submit the actual text you are proposing for Working Group consideration no later than one hour before the Thursday call (i.e. 1600 UTC on 14 December). **This will be the deadline for submission of any options to be included in any further polling of the WG for support or opposition*. The proposed agenda for the call this Thursday is as follows: 1. Roll call/updates to Statements of Interest 2. Co-Chairs’ recap of discussion with Nominet legal counsel on the Nominet appeal process 3. Review of text proposed by Zak for a new option (in the context of a possible Recommendation #3) 4. Presentation of Co-Chairs’ proposal for concluding deliberations on Recommendation #3 and conducting the Working Group Consensus Call for all Recommendations and options 5. Scheduling the next meeting We hope that as many Working Group members as possible can attend the call this week, as we hope to wrap up discussions on this one remaining possible recommendation, and proceed with the formal Consensus Call before the end of this year. Best regards, Phil and Petter
Just to followup on Zak's post, looking at the "PDP Manual" https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/annex-2-pdp-manual-01sep16-en.pdf page 6 talks about the kind of outcomes that are permissible. It's well within the rules to make "recommendations on future policy development activities" (i.e. "xii" in the list), namely what's already going on in the RPM PDP. As Paul Keating suggested, they wouldn't be starting from scratch, but they would be addressing these "quirks of process" (in Paul Tattersfield's apt description) with the full benefit of our research, and be able to address the **deeper** root causes holistically, for both IGO and non-IGO situations affected by the same underlying cause. They'd be directly addressing the root causes, instead of merely the symptoms that arise from those causes. SIncerely, George Kirikos 416-588-0269 http://www.leap.com/ On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Zak Muscovitch <zak@muscovitch.com> wrote:
Dear all,
Further to Mary’s below email, and further to Paul Keating’s suggestion to the WG of yesterday, I am proposing a revision to the original proposal to be made, so that the below is now the proposal that I am making in replacement of the one which I originally proposed:
“Our initial report and recommendation (that no change is required) remains valid and should be reflected in the published report of this WG. Our report should advise that even if a change were advisable or appropriate, such would necessarily require modifications to the UDRP and its accompanying rules. As such changes are within the ambit of the RPM WG, we feel it inappropriate to inject our proposals in that regard. Accordingly, the IGO WG strongly recommends that any changes to how the UDRP procedure is drafted and employed for IGO's, if any, should be referred to the RPM WG for consideration within its broader mandate to review the UDRP.”
Zak
From: Gnso-igo-ingo-crp [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: December-12-17 4:47 PM To: gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org Subject: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] PLEASE READ: Deadline for proposals and agenda for Working Group meeting this week
SENT ON BEHALF OF PHIL AND PETTER (WORKING GROUP CO-CHAIRS)
Dear Working Group members,
We are moving toward concluding our deliberations on the topic of whether (and if so, what) recommendation to make to deal with the situation where the losing respondent files a claim in a national court but the IGO succeeds in claiming immunity from the jurisdiction of that court. With thanks to Zak for timely submitting proposed text on a new option for this topic, which we will consider on our next call this Thursday, we request that if any Working Group member has any proposed text for consideration, please submit the actual text you are proposing for Working Group consideration no later than one hour before the Thursday call (i.e. 1600 UTC on 14 December). This will be the deadline for submission of any options to be included in any further polling of the WG for support or opposition.
The proposed agenda for the call this Thursday is as follows:
Roll call/updates to Statements of Interest Co-Chairs’ recap of discussion with Nominet legal counsel on the Nominet appeal process Review of text proposed by Zak for a new option (in the context of a possible Recommendation #3) Presentation of Co-Chairs’ proposal for concluding deliberations on Recommendation #3 and conducting the Working Group Consensus Call for all Recommendations and options Scheduling the next meeting
We hope that as many Working Group members as possible can attend the call this week, as we hope to wrap up discussions on this one remaining possible recommendation, and proceed with the formal Consensus Call before the end of this year.
Best regards,
Phil and Petter
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Thanks for this update, Zak Philip S. Corwin Policy Counsel VeriSign, Inc. 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 703-948-4648/Direct 571-342-7489/Cell "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey From: Gnso-igo-ingo-crp [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Zak Muscovitch Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 10:52 AM To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org>; gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] PLEASE READ: Deadline for proposals and agenda for Working Group meeting this week Dear all, Further to Mary’s below email, and further to Paul Keating’s suggestion to the WG of yesterday, I am proposing a revision to the original proposal to be made, so that the below is now the proposal that I am making in replacement of the one which I originally proposed: “Our initial report and recommendation (that no change is required) remains valid and should be reflected in the published report of this WG. Our report should advise that even if a change were advisable or appropriate, such would necessarily require modifications to the UDRP and its accompanying rules. As such changes are within the ambit of the RPM WG, we feel it inappropriate to inject our proposals in that regard. Accordingly, the IGO WG strongly recommends that any changes to how the UDRP procedure is drafted and employed for IGO's, if any, should be referred to the RPM WG for consideration within its broader mandate to review the UDRP.” Zak From: Gnso-igo-ingo-crp [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org>] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: December-12-17 4:47 PM To: gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org<mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] PLEASE READ: Deadline for proposals and agenda for Working Group meeting this week SENT ON BEHALF OF PHIL AND PETTER (WORKING GROUP CO-CHAIRS) Dear Working Group members, We are moving toward concluding our deliberations on the topic of whether (and if so, what) recommendation to make to deal with the situation where the losing respondent files a claim in a national court but the IGO succeeds in claiming immunity from the jurisdiction of that court. With thanks to Zak for timely submitting proposed text on a new option for this topic, which we will consider on our next call this Thursday, we request that if any Working Group member has any proposed text for consideration, please submit the actual text you are proposing for Working Group consideration no later than one hour before the Thursday call (i.e. 1600 UTC on 14 December). This will be the deadline for submission of any options to be included in any further polling of the WG for support or opposition. The proposed agenda for the call this Thursday is as follows: 1. Roll call/updates to Statements of Interest 2. Co-Chairs’ recap of discussion with Nominet legal counsel on the Nominet appeal process 3. Review of text proposed by Zak for a new option (in the context of a possible Recommendation #3) 4. Presentation of Co-Chairs’ proposal for concluding deliberations on Recommendation #3 and conducting the Working Group Consensus Call for all Recommendations and options 5. Scheduling the next meeting We hope that as many Working Group members as possible can attend the call this week, as we hope to wrap up discussions on this one remaining possible recommendation, and proceed with the formal Consensus Call before the end of this year. Best regards, Phil and Petter
I am trying to get into the meeting but the host is not letting me in... Anyway, I support this proposal from Zak as it seems like something we could all agree on now, and allow the UDRP Review to address the UDRP-specific issues that have been raised in this group. Thanks, Mike Mike Rodenbaugh RODENBAUGH LAW tel/fax: +1.415.738.8087 http://rodenbaugh.com On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Zak Muscovitch <zak@muscovitch.com> wrote:
Dear all,
Further to Mary’s below email, and further to Paul Keating’s suggestion to the WG of yesterday, I am proposing a revision to the original proposal to be made, so that the below is now the proposal that I am making in replacement of the one which I originally proposed:
“Our initial report and recommendation (that no change is required) remains valid and should be reflected in the published report of this WG. Our report should advise that even if a change were advisable or appropriate, such would necessarily require modifications to the UDRP and its accompanying rules. As such changes are within the ambit of the RPM WG, we feel it inappropriate to inject our proposals in that regard. Accordingly, the IGO WG strongly recommends that any changes to how the UDRP procedure is drafted and employed for IGO's, if any, should be referred to the RPM WG for consideration within its broader mandate to review the UDRP.”
Zak
*From:* Gnso-igo-ingo-crp [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Mary Wong *Sent:* December-12-17 4:47 PM *To:* gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org *Subject:* [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] PLEASE READ: Deadline for proposals and agenda for Working Group meeting this week
SENT ON BEHALF OF PHIL AND PETTER (WORKING GROUP CO-CHAIRS)
Dear Working Group members,
We are moving toward concluding our deliberations on the topic of whether (and if so, what) recommendation to make to deal with the situation where the losing respondent files a claim in a national court but the IGO succeeds in claiming immunity from the jurisdiction of that court. With thanks to Zak for timely submitting proposed text on a new option for this topic, which we will consider on our next call this Thursday, we request that *if any Working Group member has any proposed text for consideration, please submit the actual text you are proposing for Working Group consideration no later than one hour before the Thursday call (i.e. 1600 UTC on 14 December). **This will be the deadline for submission of any options to be included in any further polling of the WG for support or opposition*.
The proposed agenda for the call this Thursday is as follows:
1. Roll call/updates to Statements of Interest 2. Co-Chairs’ recap of discussion with Nominet legal counsel on the Nominet appeal process 3. Review of text proposed by Zak for a new option (in the context of a possible Recommendation #3) 4. Presentation of Co-Chairs’ proposal for concluding deliberations on Recommendation #3 and conducting the Working Group Consensus Call for all Recommendations and options 5. Scheduling the next meeting
We hope that as many Working Group members as possible can attend the call this week, as we hope to wrap up discussions on this one remaining possible recommendation, and proceed with the formal Consensus Call before the end of this year.
Best regards,
Phil and Petter
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Actually I'm trying to get into another meeting that appears to have been rescheduled (IGO-IRT). Sigh/sorry. Mike Rodenbaugh RODENBAUGH LAW tel/fax: +1.415.738.8087 http://rodenbaugh.com On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:18 AM, Mike Rodenbaugh <mike@rodenbaugh.com> wrote:
I am trying to get into the meeting but the host is not letting me in...
Anyway, I support this proposal from Zak as it seems like something we could all agree on now, and allow the UDRP Review to address the UDRP-specific issues that have been raised in this group.
Thanks, Mike
Mike Rodenbaugh RODENBAUGH LAW tel/fax: +1.415.738.8087 <(415)%20738-8087> http://rodenbaugh.com
On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Zak Muscovitch <zak@muscovitch.com> wrote:
Dear all,
Further to Mary’s below email, and further to Paul Keating’s suggestion to the WG of yesterday, I am proposing a revision to the original proposal to be made, so that the below is now the proposal that I am making in replacement of the one which I originally proposed:
“Our initial report and recommendation (that no change is required) remains valid and should be reflected in the published report of this WG. Our report should advise that even if a change were advisable or appropriate, such would necessarily require modifications to the UDRP and its accompanying rules. As such changes are within the ambit of the RPM WG, we feel it inappropriate to inject our proposals in that regard. Accordingly, the IGO WG strongly recommends that any changes to how the UDRP procedure is drafted and employed for IGO's, if any, should be referred to the RPM WG for consideration within its broader mandate to review the UDRP.”
Zak
*From:* Gnso-igo-ingo-crp [mailto:gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Mary Wong *Sent:* December-12-17 4:47 PM *To:* gnso-igo-ingo-crp@icann.org *Subject:* [Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] PLEASE READ: Deadline for proposals and agenda for Working Group meeting this week
SENT ON BEHALF OF PHIL AND PETTER (WORKING GROUP CO-CHAIRS)
Dear Working Group members,
We are moving toward concluding our deliberations on the topic of whether (and if so, what) recommendation to make to deal with the situation where the losing respondent files a claim in a national court but the IGO succeeds in claiming immunity from the jurisdiction of that court. With thanks to Zak for timely submitting proposed text on a new option for this topic, which we will consider on our next call this Thursday, we request that *if any Working Group member has any proposed text for consideration, please submit the actual text you are proposing for Working Group consideration no later than one hour before the Thursday call (i.e. 1600 UTC on 14 December). **This will be the deadline for submission of any options to be included in any further polling of the WG for support or opposition*.
The proposed agenda for the call this Thursday is as follows:
1. Roll call/updates to Statements of Interest 2. Co-Chairs’ recap of discussion with Nominet legal counsel on the Nominet appeal process 3. Review of text proposed by Zak for a new option (in the context of a possible Recommendation #3) 4. Presentation of Co-Chairs’ proposal for concluding deliberations on Recommendation #3 and conducting the Working Group Consensus Call for all Recommendations and options 5. Scheduling the next meeting
We hope that as many Working Group members as possible can attend the call this week, as we hope to wrap up discussions on this one remaining possible recommendation, and proceed with the formal Consensus Call before the end of this year.
Best regards,
Phil and Petter
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Corwin, Philip -
George Kirikos -
Mary Wong -
Mike Rodenbaugh -
Zak Muscovitch