Response from Working Group co-chairs to George Kirikos' written submission
Dear all, This email is being sent by staff on behalf of Phil and Petter, co-chairs of this Working Group. As part of the procedural agreement that was reached on the call between George, Phil and Petter last Thursday 11 January (also attended by Paul Keating, Paul Tattersfield and ICANN Ombudsman Herb Waye as an observer), a deadline of 1800 UTC today (Tuesday 16 January) was agreed for Phil and Petter to respond in writing to George’s written submission from Thursday. Staff confirms that a written response was sent to George before this deadline. A copy of that response is attached for your reference. A further call has been scheduled for this Thursday between the parties concerned. As was done with the call last week, this call will also be recorded and the recording and transcript posted to the Working Group wiki space. Cheers Mary and Steve On 1/11/18, 10:44, "Gnso-igo-ingo-crp on behalf of George Kirikos" <gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org on behalf of icann@leap.com> wrote: Hi folks, In the spirit of transparency, attached is documentation for the basis of the Section 3.7 appeal (meeting today at noon Eastern time, as previously noted), for the benefit of all members of this PDP. Sincerely, George Kirikos 416-588-0269 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.leap.com_&d=DwIBaQ&c... On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:33 PM, George Kirikos <icann@leap.com> wrote: > Just confirming receipt of the invitation to a call on Thursday, 11 > January 2018 at 17:00 UTC for 60 minutes. > (09:00 PST, 12:00 EST, 17:00 London GMT, 18:00 Paris CET) that I was > sent off-list. If others interested in the Section 3.7 appeal want to > attend, presumably they can contact ICANN Staff (Mary, etc.) for the > relevant passcode/invite and call-in details. > > Have a nice weekend! > > Sincerely, > > George Kirikos > 416-588-0269 > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.leap.com_&d=DwIBaQ&c...
Hi folks, To respond briefly (I'll have more on Thursday's call), that letter purports to respond to the PDF of last week, see: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-January/001035.html Folks will note that it fails to acknowledge most of the serious and detailed points that were made in that prior PDF (which would have corresponded to the oral arguments I planned for last week). In addition, it attempts to invent/manufacture a "brand new reason" to ex-post justify anonymity by attempting to attack my own behaviour (on pages 4 and 5). That new reasoning is entirely without merit. Sections 2.2.1, 3.4 and 3.5 of the PDP Working Group Guidelines have specific procedure in place in the event any behaviour *actually* breached the guidelines. https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-01sep16-en.pdf The fact that I've not been given a formal warning, private or public (see Section 3.5), by the co-chairs speaks for how weak and unjustified this "brand new reason" is, and how they're stretching to justify anonymous participation, regardless of the ICANN principles of transparency and accountability. By their weak reasoning, it implies that each and every PDP I'm involved with (and even those I'm not involved with, but decide to comment on publicly!) should have anonymous input/polling, lest folks have their positions be be criticized and scrutinized (an important accountability mechanism). There are defamation laws in place for anyone who damages another person's reputation based on false statements. I'm sure most folks are aware of why free speech exists, and I need not waste folks' time repeating the standard reasons. I'll have more to say on Thursday with regards to the actual basis for the Section 3.7 appeal focusing on the long-established principles of transparency and accountability, but just wanted to put the above on the record. Sincerely, George Kirikos 416-588-0269 http://www.leap.com/ On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org> wrote:
Dear all,
This email is being sent by staff on behalf of Phil and Petter, co-chairs of this Working Group.
As part of the procedural agreement that was reached on the call between George, Phil and Petter last Thursday 11 January (also attended by Paul Keating, Paul Tattersfield and ICANN Ombudsman Herb Waye as an observer), a deadline of 1800 UTC today (Tuesday 16 January) was agreed for Phil and Petter to respond in writing to George’s written submission from Thursday.
Staff confirms that a written response was sent to George before this deadline. A copy of that response is attached for your reference. A further call has been scheduled for this Thursday between the parties concerned. As was done with the call last week, this call will also be recorded and the recording and transcript posted to the Working Group wiki space.
Cheers Mary and Steve
On 1/11/18, 10:44, "Gnso-igo-ingo-crp on behalf of George Kirikos" <gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org on behalf of icann@leap.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
In the spirit of transparency, attached is documentation for the basis of the Section 3.7 appeal (meeting today at noon Eastern time, as previously noted), for the benefit of all members of this PDP.
Sincerely,
George Kirikos 416-588-0269 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.leap.com_&d=DwIBaQ&c...
On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:33 PM, George Kirikos <icann@leap.com> wrote: > Just confirming receipt of the invitation to a call on Thursday, 11 > January 2018 at 17:00 UTC for 60 minutes. > (09:00 PST, 12:00 EST, 17:00 London GMT, 18:00 Paris CET) that I was > sent off-list. If others interested in the Section 3.7 appeal want to > attend, presumably they can contact ICANN Staff (Mary, etc.) for the > relevant passcode/invite and call-in details. > > Have a nice weekend! > > Sincerely, > > George Kirikos > 416-588-0269 > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.leap.com_&d=DwIBaQ&c...
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1 more point, I strongly suggest that you deal on the call orally only and then submit a summary of your arguments for the record. Sent from my iPad
On 16 Jan 2018, at 20:26, George Kirikos <icann@leap.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
To respond briefly (I'll have more on Thursday's call), that letter purports to respond to the PDF of last week, see:
http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-January/001035.html
Folks will note that it fails to acknowledge most of the serious and detailed points that were made in that prior PDF (which would have corresponded to the oral arguments I planned for last week).
In addition, it attempts to invent/manufacture a "brand new reason" to ex-post justify anonymity by attempting to attack my own behaviour (on pages 4 and 5). That new reasoning is entirely without merit. Sections 2.2.1, 3.4 and 3.5 of the PDP Working Group Guidelines have specific procedure in place in the event any behaviour *actually* breached the guidelines.
https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-01sep16-en.pdf
The fact that I've not been given a formal warning, private or public (see Section 3.5), by the co-chairs speaks for how weak and unjustified this "brand new reason" is, and how they're stretching to justify anonymous participation, regardless of the ICANN principles of transparency and accountability. By their weak reasoning, it implies that each and every PDP I'm involved with (and even those I'm not involved with, but decide to comment on publicly!) should have anonymous input/polling, lest folks have their positions be be criticized and scrutinized (an important accountability mechanism). There are defamation laws in place for anyone who damages another person's reputation based on false statements. I'm sure most folks are aware of why free speech exists, and I need not waste folks' time repeating the standard reasons.
I'll have more to say on Thursday with regards to the actual basis for the Section 3.7 appeal focusing on the long-established principles of transparency and accountability, but just wanted to put the above on the record.
Sincerely,
George Kirikos 416-588-0269 http://www.leap.com/
On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Mary Wong <mary.wong@icann.org> wrote: Dear all,
This email is being sent by staff on behalf of Phil and Petter, co-chairs of this Working Group.
As part of the procedural agreement that was reached on the call between George, Phil and Petter last Thursday 11 January (also attended by Paul Keating, Paul Tattersfield and ICANN Ombudsman Herb Waye as an observer), a deadline of 1800 UTC today (Tuesday 16 January) was agreed for Phil and Petter to respond in writing to George’s written submission from Thursday.
Staff confirms that a written response was sent to George before this deadline. A copy of that response is attached for your reference. A further call has been scheduled for this Thursday between the parties concerned. As was done with the call last week, this call will also be recorded and the recording and transcript posted to the Working Group wiki space.
Cheers Mary and Steve
On 1/11/18, 10:44, "Gnso-igo-ingo-crp on behalf of George Kirikos" <gnso-igo-ingo-crp-bounces@icann.org on behalf of icann@leap.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
In the spirit of transparency, attached is documentation for the basis of the Section 3.7 appeal (meeting today at noon Eastern time, as previously noted), for the benefit of all members of this PDP.
Sincerely,
George Kirikos 416-588-0269 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.leap.com_&d=DwIBaQ&c...
On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 6:33 PM, George Kirikos <icann@leap.com> wrote: Just confirming receipt of the invitation to a call on Thursday, 11 January 2018 at 17:00 UTC for 60 minutes. (09:00 PST, 12:00 EST, 17:00 London GMT, 18:00 Paris CET) that I was sent off-list. If others interested in the Section 3.7 appeal want to attend, presumably they can contact ICANN Staff (Mary, etc.) for the relevant passcode/invite and call-in details.
Have a nice weekend!
Sincerely,
George Kirikos 416-588-0269 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.leap.com_&d=DwIBaQ&c...
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Paul Keating