Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt] [IRT action by 29 November 2017] IGO&INGO Policy Implementation: call for the iRT support for the final draft and publication
Hi Dennis, What are the next steps from now? Thanks, D.Tanaka From: Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org> Date: Monday, November 27, 2017 at 6:40 PM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, "gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org> Cc: Gustavo Lozano <gustavo.lozano@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [IRT action by 29 November 2017] IGO&INGO Policy Implementation: call for the iRT support for the final draft and publication Thanks Mr. Tanaka for your initiation for discussion and the suggestion for the resolution. Dear IGO&INGO IRT, With this one change, I’ve revised the version number to 19 as you’ll note. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cAVS27yshnZIVrbwQQ_zFXWMnOXtcQasj4fnmPOo... Since no other issues have been raised, we will proceed with the announcement and publication as we had planned. We currently have the following list as Thick IRT members. 1 Brian Cimbolic Public Interest Registry (PIR) 2 Crystal Ondo Donuts 3 Jean-Francois Vandeneynde 4 Jim Bikoff Smith, Gambrell & Russell LLP 5 Keith Drazek - GNSO Council Liaison Verisign 6 Kristine Dorrain Amazon Registry Services 7 Lori Schulman International Trademark Association (INTA) 8 Michael Flemming GMO Brights Consulting Inc. 9 Mike Rodenbaugh Rodenbaugh Law 10 Petter Rindforth Fenix Legal KB 11 Dennis Tanaka Verisign https://community.icann.org/display/IIPIRT/Policy+Implementation+Team+Member... Please let us know if any members of the IRT have any last-minute issues or concerns prior to the publication. If not, we’d greatly appreciate a simple reply with “support.” Please note that this membership list will be used to document the IRT support. If any member wishes to decline from participating in the IRT, please let us know by 29 November 2017. Thank you! Best, Dennis Chang From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com> Date: Monday, November 27, 2017 at 12:17 PM To: Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org>, "gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org> Cc: Gustavo Lozano <gustavo.lozano@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt] IGO&INGO Policy Implementation: IRT meeting result and the plan to proceed with publication Dennis, Per our conversation with you and Gustavo Lozano, I’m fine with the current language except for the term “allocation”, which I’m suggesting being replaced by “Effective Allocation” so that it is consistent with the term used in section 5.1.1. Thanks, D.Tanaka From: Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 5:30 PM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, "gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org> Cc: Gustavo Lozano <gustavo.lozano@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt] IGO&INGO Policy Implementation: IRT meeting result and the plan to proceed with publication Thanks Mr. Tanaka for the question and the interesting scenario you presented. The notification Appendix A is designed to list all INGOs. The current example shows two. Names. For your other questions I’ve replied to your comment on the doc and you should have received an email of my reply. I’ve duplicated it here for everyone for convenience. Tanaka Comment: I think we need more time to think this through vis-a-vis registries and registrars requirements. If say, an applied-for string has 10 idn variants, the registry would need to do 10 separate claims checks to the Claims System (CS) (assuming the INGO only registered one name and no variants). Then, would the registry get 10 different Claims Notices IDs from the CS? Will these 10 CNIDs be passed to the registrar and the registrar would present 10 notices to the registrant, to which he/she need to accept? what is registrant accepts two but rejects the other 9. How would that scenario work? Chang Reply Agree that we need to think this through. My thought is that this is the detail we will deal with in the Claims Spec which we will be creating. We will consult with the larger community before releasing it. I have ideas but I'd like wait till the implementation after our publication of this policy if you agree. This is the reason of defining our effective date as we did in section 2.2. Please feel free to give me call on Monday if you’d like or let me know a good time for me to call you. +1 213 293 7889 Skype: dennisSchang When we decide on a design, let’s capture it on our FAQ. I can see this coming up again. Thanks Dennis Chang From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 1:31 PM To: Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org>, "gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org> Cc: Gustavo Lozano <gustavo.lozano@icann.org> Subject: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt] IGO&INGO Policy Implementation: IRT meeting result and the plan to proceed with publication Hi Dennis, I’m processing Section 5.1.8 and have more questions which I posted directly in the document. I can jump on a call after the long weekend if you prefer. Thanks. D.Tanaka From: Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt <gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org> Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 9:00 PM To: "gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org> Cc: Gustavo Lozano <gustavo.lozano@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt] IGO&INGO Policy Implementation: IRT meeting result and the plan to proceed with publication Dear IGO&INGO IRT, Thank you for your valuable and insightful guidance today. As a summary, we made the following decisions on the language at the meeting toay. 1. Add a hyperlink to the INGO Claims System specification. 2. Add “and GNSO” to the list update process when consulting with GAC. Section 4.4. 3. Add IDN Variant case to ensure claims notification for those ROs with IDN Variant policy. Section 5.1.8 4. Add Integration testing requirement for INGO Claims system for clarity and avoid assumption that this will be done since it’s a standard practice. 5.1.9 5. Do not add the Qualified Launch Program clause but instead Add the “or prior to Effective Allocation if the domain name is not going to be available for registration during General Registration” to section 5.0 This method was chosen to make the INGO notification work for current and future QLP like programs 6. Remove INGO contact information from Appendix A. Rationale: the registrant can find the contact using the INGO name and URL on their own. This was done to avoid gathering, storing, or transmitting potentially personal information where we do need it. You’ll find a clean version attached for your convenience. It was downloaded from our collaborative on-line document here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cAVS27yshnZIVrbwQQ_zFXWMnOXtcQasj4fnmPOo1vQ/edit?ts=5a0ded36[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1cAVS27yshnZIVrbwQQ-5FzFXWMnOXtcQasj4fnmPOo1vQ_edit-3Fts-3D5a0ded36&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=dqLP1wJqBvDSYLKrSEaAkCi_Kv0Mk5D_d32n29DHCN8&m=tf4cKY_z9kOslr2u2JcZ3PB73UgBYDr_RWfcV7nsXBE&s=xfqIo4eZViC0RQ0mOeqSo-iA0dDzSSXaahRUHA6cu3Y&e=> For those IRT members not at the meeting, we are asking for your final review and support of the policy. The recording should be up on our wiki soon. Let us know if you have questions. Barring any issues or objection, we’d like to proceed with the publication process next week. Thanks Dennis Chang From: Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt <gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org> Date: Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 8:33 AM To: "gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org> Cc: Gustavo Lozano <gustavo.lozano@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt] IGO&INGO Policy Implementation; 21 Nov 2017 meeting Dear IGO&INGO IRT, By now, you should have received a meeting invite from Michelle for next week Tuesdays, 21 November 2017 We are requesting to meet with the IRT one more time prior to publication. You will note that we have made a few suggested additions to the policy language with brief explanation. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cAVS27yshnZIVrbwQQ_zFXWMnOXtcQasj4fnmPOo1vQ/edit#heading=h.3znysh7[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1cAVS27yshnZIVrbwQQ-5FzFXWMnOXtcQasj4fnmPOo1vQ_edit-23heading-3Dh.3znysh7&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=dqLP1wJqBvDSYLKrSEaAkCi_Kv0Mk5D_d32n29DHCN8&m=tf4cKY_z9kOslr2u2JcZ3PB73UgBYDr_RWfcV7nsXBE&s=UzSMAJktp_10tPlLlPUwKhHIImfjPlBeYHeOKxCxYx8&e=> We’ll discuss this in detail at the meeting but here is the summary. 1. Add a hyperlink to the INGO Claims System specification 2. Add “and GNSO” to the list update process when consulting with GAC. 3. Add IDN Variant case to avoid registration of INGO names due to the RO Variant policy 4. Add Integration testing requirement for INGO Claims system for clarity and avoid assumption that this will be done since it’s a standard practice 5. Add clarity if need that INGO claims happens on the Qualified Launch Program. Some of these will be obvious but others are nuanced so we probably need to discuss. Please join us. — Kind Regards, Dennis S. Chang GDD Services & Engagement Program Director +1 213 293 7889 Skype: dennisSchang www.icann.org "One World, One Internet"
Thanks Mr. Tanaka for the follow up. The next step is the IRT meeting next week on Thursday. I had considered cancelling it but I believe we need the meeting to review a few suggested edits. I’ll inform the IRT of the edits and we can decide if the meeting is still needed and set the target date for the announcement and publication. Thanks Dennis Chang From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com> Date: Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 11:20 AM To: Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org>, "gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org> Cc: Gustavo Lozano <gustavo.lozano@icann.org> Subject: [Ext] Re: [IRT action by 29 November 2017] IGO&INGO Policy Implementation: call for the iRT support for the final draft and publication Hi Dennis, What are the next steps from now? Thanks, D.Tanaka From: Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org> Date: Monday, November 27, 2017 at 6:40 PM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, "gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org> Cc: Gustavo Lozano <gustavo.lozano@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [IRT action by 29 November 2017] IGO&INGO Policy Implementation: call for the iRT support for the final draft and publication Thanks Mr. Tanaka for your initiation for discussion and the suggestion for the resolution. Dear IGO&INGO IRT, With this one change, I’ve revised the version number to 19 as you’ll note. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cAVS27yshnZIVrbwQQ_zFXWMnOXtcQasj4fnmPOo1vQ/edit#heading=h.yhfhizl9dm21[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1cAVS27yshnZIVrbwQQ-5FzFXWMnOXtcQasj4fnmPOo1vQ_edit-23heading-3Dh.yhfhizl9dm21&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=dqLP1wJqBvDSYLKrSEaAkCi_Kv0Mk5D_d32n29DHCN8&m=QhmURl-N31dWyN7UQ-zdMYYQBXKrqDq27ppFsnPXG60&s=k6PXmmkEL5P8eOBYfXwwuSIesSmdIolPaKMCA-oVh8s&e=> Since no other issues have been raised, we will proceed with the announcement and publication as we had planned. We currently have the following list as Thick IRT members. 1 Brian Cimbolic Public Interest Registry (PIR) 2 Crystal Ondo Donuts 3 Jean-Francois Vandeneynde 4 Jim Bikoff Smith, Gambrell & Russell LLP 5 Keith Drazek - GNSO Council Liaison Verisign 6 Kristine Dorrain Amazon Registry Services 7 Lori Schulman International Trademark Association (INTA) 8 Michael Flemming GMO Brights Consulting Inc. 9 Mike Rodenbaugh Rodenbaugh Law 10 Petter Rindforth Fenix Legal KB 11 Dennis Tanaka Verisign https://community.icann.org/display/IIPIRT/Policy+Implementation+Team+Member+List[community.icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_IIPIRT_Policy-2BImplementation-2BTeam-2BMember-2BList&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=dqLP1wJqBvDSYLKrSEaAkCi_Kv0Mk5D_d32n29DHCN8&m=QhmURl-N31dWyN7UQ-zdMYYQBXKrqDq27ppFsnPXG60&s=Wl269CwoVIvAoCJmbfhHbmXXiEDnFvY15zbWdy1_mHs&e=> Please let us know if any members of the IRT have any last-minute issues or concerns prior to the publication. If not, we’d greatly appreciate a simple reply with “support.” Please note that this membership list will be used to document the IRT support. If any member wishes to decline from participating in the IRT, please let us know by 29 November 2017. Thank you! Best, Dennis Chang From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com> Date: Monday, November 27, 2017 at 12:17 PM To: Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org>, "gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org> Cc: Gustavo Lozano <gustavo.lozano@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt] IGO&INGO Policy Implementation: IRT meeting result and the plan to proceed with publication Dennis, Per our conversation with you and Gustavo Lozano, I’m fine with the current language except for the term “allocation”, which I’m suggesting being replaced by “Effective Allocation” so that it is consistent with the term used in section 5.1.1. Thanks, D.Tanaka From: Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 5:30 PM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, "gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org> Cc: Gustavo Lozano <gustavo.lozano@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt] IGO&INGO Policy Implementation: IRT meeting result and the plan to proceed with publication Thanks Mr. Tanaka for the question and the interesting scenario you presented. The notification Appendix A is designed to list all INGOs. The current example shows two. Names. For your other questions I’ve replied to your comment on the doc and you should have received an email of my reply. I’ve duplicated it here for everyone for convenience. Tanaka Comment: I think we need more time to think this through vis-a-vis registries and registrars requirements. If say, an applied-for string has 10 idn variants, the registry would need to do 10 separate claims checks to the Claims System (CS) (assuming the INGO only registered one name and no variants). Then, would the registry get 10 different Claims Notices IDs from the CS? Will these 10 CNIDs be passed to the registrar and the registrar would present 10 notices to the registrant, to which he/she need to accept? what is registrant accepts two but rejects the other 9. How would that scenario work? Chang Reply Agree that we need to think this through. My thought is that this is the detail we will deal with in the Claims Spec which we will be creating. We will consult with the larger community before releasing it. I have ideas but I'd like wait till the implementation after our publication of this policy if you agree. This is the reason of defining our effective date as we did in section 2.2. Please feel free to give me call on Monday if you’d like or let me know a good time for me to call you. +1 213 293 7889 Skype: dennisSchang When we decide on a design, let’s capture it on our FAQ. I can see this coming up again. Thanks Dennis Chang From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com> Date: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 1:31 PM To: Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org>, "gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org> Cc: Gustavo Lozano <gustavo.lozano@icann.org> Subject: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt] IGO&INGO Policy Implementation: IRT meeting result and the plan to proceed with publication Hi Dennis, I’m processing Section 5.1.8 and have more questions which I posted directly in the document. I can jump on a call after the long weekend if you prefer. Thanks. D.Tanaka From: Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt <gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org> Date: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 9:00 PM To: "gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org> Cc: Gustavo Lozano <gustavo.lozano@icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt] IGO&INGO Policy Implementation: IRT meeting result and the plan to proceed with publication Dear IGO&INGO IRT, Thank you for your valuable and insightful guidance today. As a summary, we made the following decisions on the language at the meeting toay. 1. Add a hyperlink to the INGO Claims System specification. 2. Add “and GNSO” to the list update process when consulting with GAC. Section 4.4. 3. Add IDN Variant case to ensure claims notification for those ROs with IDN Variant policy. Section 5.1.8 4. Add Integration testing requirement for INGO Claims system for clarity and avoid assumption that this will be done since it’s a standard practice. 5.1.9 5. Do not add the Qualified Launch Program clause but instead Add the “or prior to Effective Allocation if the domain name is not going to be available for registration during General Registration” to section 5.0 This method was chosen to make the INGO notification work for current and future QLP like programs 6. Remove INGO contact information from Appendix A. Rationale: the registrant can find the contact using the INGO name and URL on their own. This was done to avoid gathering, storing, or transmitting potentially personal information where we do need it. You’ll find a clean version attached for your convenience. It was downloaded from our collaborative on-line document here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cAVS27yshnZIVrbwQQ_zFXWMnOXtcQasj4fnmPOo1vQ/edit?ts=5a0ded36[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1cAVS27yshnZIVrbwQQ-5FzFXWMnOXtcQasj4fnmPOo1vQ_edit-3Fts-3D5a0ded36&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=dqLP1wJqBvDSYLKrSEaAkCi_Kv0Mk5D_d32n29DHCN8&m=tf4cKY_z9kOslr2u2JcZ3PB73UgBYDr_RWfcV7nsXBE&s=xfqIo4eZViC0RQ0mOeqSo-iA0dDzSSXaahRUHA6cu3Y&e=> For those IRT members not at the meeting, we are asking for your final review and support of the policy. The recording should be up on our wiki soon. Let us know if you have questions. Barring any issues or objection, we’d like to proceed with the publication process next week. Thanks Dennis Chang From: Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt <gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Dennis Chang <dennis.chang@icann.org> Date: Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 8:33 AM To: "gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt@icann.org> Cc: Gustavo Lozano <gustavo.lozano@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-igo-ingo-ip-irt] IGO&INGO Policy Implementation; 21 Nov 2017 meeting Dear IGO&INGO IRT, By now, you should have received a meeting invite from Michelle for next week Tuesdays, 21 November 2017 We are requesting to meet with the IRT one more time prior to publication. You will note that we have made a few suggested additions to the policy language with brief explanation. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cAVS27yshnZIVrbwQQ_zFXWMnOXtcQasj4fnmPOo1vQ/edit#heading=h.3znysh7[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1cAVS27yshnZIVrbwQQ-5FzFXWMnOXtcQasj4fnmPOo1vQ_edit-23heading-3Dh.3znysh7&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=dqLP1wJqBvDSYLKrSEaAkCi_Kv0Mk5D_d32n29DHCN8&m=tf4cKY_z9kOslr2u2JcZ3PB73UgBYDr_RWfcV7nsXBE&s=UzSMAJktp_10tPlLlPUwKhHIImfjPlBeYHeOKxCxYx8&e=> We’ll discuss this in detail at the meeting but here is the summary. 1. Add a hyperlink to the INGO Claims System specification 2. Add “and GNSO” to the list update process when consulting with GAC. 3. Add IDN Variant case to avoid registration of INGO names due to the RO Variant policy 4. Add Integration testing requirement for INGO Claims system for clarity and avoid assumption that this will be done since it’s a standard practice 5. Add clarity if need that INGO claims happens on the Qualified Launch Program. Some of these will be obvious but others are nuanced so we probably need to discuss. Please join us. — Kind Regards, Dennis S. Chang GDD Services & Engagement Program Director +1 213 293 7889 Skype: dennisSchang www.icann.org "One World, One Internet"
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