Hi Mickey,

I think we should at least to agree on timeline and in order to have enough time for nomination, and"interviewing" candidates and finally having the voting (in several rounds depending the option we agree on) we can have vote round every 3 days, it is possible.

next sunday, it will be just one month before confirming the elected board member and after that we will be in singapore.

better to prepare prior to that and to have clear plan.

Best,

Rafik

2014-03-08 22:04 GMT+09:00 Mike O'Connor <mike@haven2.com>:

thanks Bill,

let me pivot to the leaders of the CSG on this list — i think Bill’s reasoning is sound, this is for us to sort out. 

CSG leaders, please engage soon — these decisions bear on the nomination process for the reasons already discussed.  i’ve already telegraphed my support for releasing the Councilors since i suggested the idea.  since i’m a Councilor i’m a little uncomfortable lobbying too much at this point.  could we try to have a direction sorted out by the end of the day Monday (UTC) so that candidates know the framework we’ll be working under?  i picked that day because we’re in a weekend, but don’t want this to linger too long so we can still hit Glen’s proposed schedule.

i’ll kick the conversation off by coming up with a draft set of options (feel free to edit):

- Candidates:

- one per SG

- open field

- Councilors released:

- immediately

- after first round

- after second round

- never

mikey

On Mar 8, 2014, at 5:28 AM, William Drake <william.drake@uzh.ch> wrote:

Hi Mikey

On Mar 7, 2014, at 4:21 PM, Mike O'Connor <mike@haven2.com> wrote:

one option we might consider is reducing the elapsed time for rounds of voting so we could squeeze in a third round before the Council meeting.  there’s this “Internet" thing that might help us get that done.  if people are game, Glen and i can come up with a slightly tighter 3-round voting schedule and push it back to you all for approval.

Hopefully not necessary but maybe advisable

number of candidates

a key puzzler, this.  i couldn’t track down documentation that enforces a “one per SG” rule, so i’m interested in hearing more.  i’d observe that a “one per SG” approach does seem to put us on a course toward deadlock, but the “open-field” approach introduces a dilemma — if an SG puts up more than one candidate, they risk splitting their vote and “losing" to an SG that doesn’t.  

I don’t recall that there is such documentation and agree a “one per SG” approach would seem to put us on a course toward deadlock, especially given that NCSG no longer has board appointed Councilors.  Of course, since they're not formally directed I suppose some NCSG Councilor could still decide to vote against a NCSG candidate, but if the fate of the process hinges entirely on that prospect it’s a mighty biased system.

i can only speak for my constituency here, but the way the ISPCP is chartered i’m constrained to vote based on “the interests and views of my constituency."  Bill, your comment about Councillors being fully empowered as electors right from the start raises a topic which goes on the “really interesting, but not enough time to discuss/change this time around” pile for me.  

If there’s direction just at the constituency level we could at least theoretically have someone get to 8 votes.  If there’s one per and direction at the CSG level what’s the scenario for getting to 8?

however one “tie breaking” strategy would be to go through a couple of rounds of voting and, if it’s still deadlocked “release" the Councilors to be independent electors.  that would put pressure on constituencies to be a bit more engaged in their work, as otherwise the job gets handed to Councillors.  

NC councilors are released now.  If a third round looming disaster is what would be needed to achieve parity ok, that’s for you guys to sort out.

Best,

Bill

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