Hi Steve,

Thank you for working to get this data. In support of what Rubens has mentioned, I believe that our follow up questions to ICANN will seek a further breakdown of these 275.

Kind regards,

Michael Flemming

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br> wrote:
Steve,

I believe they mixed legal entities and registry families in the response. The initial number does look like legal entities, but since we know that Donuts become vertically-integrated with the acquisition of Rightside, that would have put many more legal entities in the list, because Donuts use one legal entity per TLD, while other portfolio registries operate with a single legal entity. 

I wouldn't count on the precision of the response considering the numbers they gave. 


Rubens




On 21 Dec 2017, at 20:41, Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org> wrote:

Rubens,
 
My understanding is that the 275 represents notifications received by ICANN. For example, if Company ABC123 has signed 3 Registry Agreements with ICANN and sent 3 notices under each of its RAs, regarding its new Affiliate, that would count as 3 of the 275 notifications.
 
Best,
Steve
 
From: Rubens Kuhl <rubensk@nic.br>
Date: Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 1:36 PM
To: Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org>
Cc: "gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org" <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2@icann.org>
Subject: [Ext] Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt2] GDD Response to Vertical Integration Data Request
 
 


Em 21 de dez de 2017, à(s) 17:27:000, Steve Chan <steve.chan@icann.org> escreveu:
 
Dear WT2 Members,
 
WT2, during its meeting on 18 May 2017, requested statistics on how many registry operators are vertically integrated. While apologizing for the lateness of delivery, below, please find the response below from GDD:
 
ICANN collects data about contracted parties’ vertical integration (also known as cross-ownership or Affiliate relationships) during the application process for both registrars and registry operators. Additionally, contracted parties are required to notify ICANN of its Affiliate relationships occurring after contracting, under both the registrar and registry operator agreements with ICANN. To date, ICANN has tracked notifications received from approximately 275 vertically integrated contracted parties. Sixteen of these notifications were received after contracting (4 in 2014, 10 in 2015, and 2 in 2017). However, contracted parties are not required to notify ICANN of the termination of such relationships. Therefore, the total number of vertically integrated contracted parties may vary from those notifications previously tracked.
 
If you have any questions about this information, please let policy support staff know.
 
 
Steve,
 
I believe it would be interesting to know whether this refers to 275 TLDs, 275 registry legal entities or 275 registry families... some registry groups have more than one legal entity, some have a single legal entity... 
 
 
Rubens
 
 


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