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Kind regards, Michelle ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for 24 August 2017 Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 2- Legal/Regulatory Issues call on Thursday, 24 August 2017 at 21:00 UTC for 60 minutes. Michelle DeSmyter:Agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_C... Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes someone did need to mute Michael Flemming 2:I will be right back in about a minute Phil Buckingham:@cheryl - sorry it was me . Had my speaker on . Muted now . Greg Shatan:I will be muted until I finish a work-related call. Emily Barabas:you are controlling the slides for everyone Phil Buckingham:you are in control Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):sorry network is dodgy atm I briefly dropped AC Phil Buckingham:you remember correctly - 27 occurences Steve Chan:Program Implementation Review Report: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system... Emily Barabas:Full comments are available here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreads... Jeff Neuman:It would be good for people here to tell us their thoughts on exemptions for certain types of TLDs Jeff Neuman:y Gg Levine (NABP):yes Michelle DeSmyter:yes Phil Buckingham:yes hear you Steve Chan:Yes, and Michael, the slides are synced, so you're moving us all along together. Jeff Neuman:I need to restart Adobe. Keeeps freezing. Jeff Neuman 2:yes Alexander Schubert:Great: So if it is cheaper and easier to apply for a .brand - then people will apply for generic term based gTLDs as .brand; "play" single registrant registry - then distribute the domains in the same way like CentralNic right now distributes third level domains under ll.com! Alexander Schubert:We need to make sure that generic terms can NOT be applied for as brand TLD! Phil Buckingham:totally agree Alexander . So how do we do this ? so do we differentate ? Jeff Neuman 2:a lot of brands are terms in the dictionary Jeff Neuman 2:websters dictionary Robert Burlingame:Whether something is "Generic" or not depends entirely on the type of products or services for which that term is used. Alexander Schubert:Then we simply bury .brands! Jeff Neuman 2:many geographic terms are also dictionary terms....should we say that they should not qualify as geographic TLDs? Robert Burlingame:"Apple" is not a "generic" term for anything other than apples. Heather Forrest:It isn't ICANN's place to start treating different TMs differently Alexander Schubert:Plus brands WILL allocate domains to clients. ".facebook" might allow every user to have user.facebook! Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):agreed Heather Greg Shatan:Alexander why is that a problem? Greg Shatan:Assuming it is not "gaming." Alexander Schubert:We can't say brand TLDs are in ANY way different from other TLDs. There might not be classical registrants at brand gTLDs - but there might be "users" - and when the .brand fails; those users lose their "domain".... Gg Levine (NABP):@Alexander: Do you mean third-level domain registrants? Alexander Schubert:Where does the need stem from to grant "brands" any special conditions and exceptions..... Greg Shatan:Or do you just mean end-users? Alexander Schubert:Example: .twitter and the domain handle.twitter Greg Shatan:What is the domain handle.twitter an example of? Phil Buckingham:so the EBERO kicks in when the technical back end fails ? Phil Buckingham:+n 11111 Jeff Phil Buckingham:should be the other way around . Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):good point Jeff Alexander Schubert:handle.twitter in a ".brand" gTLD would be subject to termination at any time - e.g. when the registry "fails". Jeff Neuman 2:but that would not trigger ebero Alexander Schubert:hmmmmm Gg Levine (NABP):@Alexander: yes, but the domain would still belong to the RO, yes? Phil Buckingham:lost my dial out . could I have another one please . Alexander Schubert:I think the consumer won't really understand the difference between a generic gTLD by a non-Brand (where the user is a registrant and enjoys many protections) and generic brand gTLD based domains..... Phil Buckingham:Good answer by Nominet . Q for ICANN How much are the current three EBERO contracted parties being paid per annum Jeff Neuman 2:@Phil - We should ask if the EBERO funding mechanism is public Jeff Neuman 2:Can we put that as an action item Julie Hedlund:Captured Jeff. Jeff Neuman 2:I do know it is a two prong payment system to EBEROs. There is a guaranteed annual fee paid by ICANN for EBEROs to be on standby and then in the case of an EBERO event, there are additional fees paid to EBERO providers Phil Buckingham:Thanks Julie . Will follow up . Phil Buckingham:Everything is better than what we have at present . Let put this in a matrix format . Would it be based on registrations/ DUMs ? Phil Buckingham:up to page 20 Trang Nguyen:ICANN agreements with EBERO providers are posted here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources... Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):nothing from me Trang Nguyen:They include fees Phil Buckingham:thanks Trang Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):thanks Trang Robert Burlingame:Thank you everyone. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bye 👋 Greg Shatan:Bye all! Phil Buckingham:thanks Michael