Dear All, Please find the attendance and audio recording of the call attached to this email and the Adobe Connect recording (visual and audio) and AC Chat below for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team - Track 3 - String Contention, Objections & Disputes held on Tuesday, 18 April 2017 at 15:00 UTC. Adobe Connect recording: <https://participate.icann.org/p1nwlsw6tvp/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=270a392f7eacd741 b08abf3f2654f84519ad6e8cf34f5cf5e6c5e8497ddb0bc4> https://participate.icann. org/p1nwlsw6tvp/ The recordings of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3 Agenda Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/FbHRAw> https://community.icann.org/x/FbHRAw Thank you. Kind regards, Terri ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for 18 April 2017 Terri Agnew:Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team - Track 3 - String Contention, Objections & Disputes on Tuesday, 18 April 2017 at 15:00 UTC Terri Agnew:agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_F bHRAw <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann. org_x_FbHRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dX AvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=mcQdOdDwOVoOMjlV5jJ7PxHmA06-OcovUEMy _UVHTD4&s=w9dHvqlRMfjEKRgk_KY5jPcFEgZwTX56MYzVYODmzaA&e> &d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=mcQdOdDwOVoOMjlV5jJ7PxHmA06-OcovUEMy_UVHTD4&s=w9 dHvqlRMfjEKRgk_KY5jPcFEgZwTX56MYzVYODmzaA&e= John Laprise:Good morning Terri! Annebeth Lange:Hi all, I have a few minutes waiting for my flight. I'll try to listen in. Annebeth Lange:Thanks Michael Flemming:Good morning! Emily Barabas:Additional information about about geo names webinar is available here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_p 77RAw <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann. org_x_p77RAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dX AvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=mcQdOdDwOVoOMjlV5jJ7PxHmA06-OcovUEMy _UVHTD4&s=8xAct5O2zzlW4jTGunWstOhyGmF4OL6V9JQi3IswVYw&e> &d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=mcQdOdDwOVoOMjlV5jJ7PxHmA06-OcovUEMy_UVHTD4&s=8x Act5O2zzlW4jTGunWstOhyGmF4OL6V9JQi3IswVYw&e= Jeff Neuman:good afternoon (in London today) Michael Flemming:Happy to be here Emily Barabas:15:00 UTC and 22:00 UTC Alan Greenberg:Sorry, last meeting ran late. Emily Barabas:See link above for details. To RSVP, email Geo-Names-Session@icann.org <mailto:Geo-Names-Session@icann.org> Jeff Neuman:yes avri doria:yes Jeff Neuman:Forward on.... Emily Barabas:Karen, yes, please do John Laprise:There's always a tension: defining a community externally vs. internally Jeff Neuman:the term we used to use was "sponsored TLDs" avri doria:that was a previous round Jeff Neuman:right......and every tld that applied that round was approved. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):agreed Alan, that is why we need much more discussion on this avri doria:but the notion of supported was not as broad as the notion of community. and the degree of support needed to be considered supported was not as deep as that required by the AGB Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):indeed Jeff Neuman:In this "round" very few were accepted. Somehow we may need to try to swing the pendulum back to a balance....if we still favor community applications Robin Gross:It is important to remember we are creating classes with special privileges in tlds, and that will impact existing rights, like IPR. Alan Greenberg:Part of the concept I think is that the rules of the TLD are governed by "the community" Alan Greenberg:DOes the TLD need to be not-for-prfit?? Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):not for profit reaaly limits freedom of association and freedom of speech. Jamie Baxter | dotgay:I think that Anne's suggestion makes sense to look at this from the angle of freedom of association Jeff Neuman:I do not necessarily believe that there is a need to limit to not for profits Robin Gross:The problem I see with the freedom of association argument is that it doesn't extend to preculding others from identifying with an idea also. John Laprise:What about communities in jurisdictions that persecute non-profits? Alan Greenberg:As we know, a NFP can make money and turn it back into the community. Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):QUESTION: What about a for-profit community of kennel clubs from around the world who want to associate and promote discussion around dog breeding? would that be bad somehow? Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):yes ALAN, true the interdependencies are yet to be explored Gg Levine (NABP):@Anne -- no, not bad. Jeff Neuman:Again a for-profit and not-for-profit is not necessarily a universal concept adopted globally nor is it consistent amongst jurisdictions. Not sure how we can make being "not for profit" as defined in the US the standard...... Michael Flemming:I agree with Anne on that aspect. We have a habit of distinguishing what the Public Interest is and what may harm the Public Interest. This is similar to our discussion of Closed Generics. But if we have to define what the social good is, then how do we even begin to define that? Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):agree Anne could be a slippery slope here as well Alan Greenberg:Is the COMMUNITY of kennel clubs for profit, or are the kennel clubs for profit? Annebeth Lange:I agree with Anne here. THis is a dangerous road to go down. Jeff Neuman:All - It is hard to talk about the freedom of association as an absolute right. All communities have some form of qualifications to get into an stay in the community. We cant say that all of them are a restriction on the freedom of association John Laprise:If we take a social scientific perspective, a community is simply a group of actors who interact and exchange, bound by an interest. Michael Flemming:@Jeff, for my own personal question, is there no sense of what defines a collective community in international law? Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):important distinguishing point Alan purpose if the classification has any privilege or advantage does need establishment IMO Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):@Jeff - they would still need to be a community. But ICANN should not get into the business os assessing social good. Michael Flemming:上My question doesn't need to be put into the agenda notes. Michael Flemming:Just for clarification. Jamie Baxter | dotgay:I agree with Anne. Each community may have their own purpose for applying for a community TLD. Trust is a huge one that has previoulsy been discussed, but let's not forget that the current implemenation of community TLDs took none of this into consideration. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):NOTE Anne I was stating establishment of purpose is important not a opinion on the 'worthiness' of the purposeless essential Greg Shatan:Not a risk.... :-) Emily Barabas:The spreadsheet displayed in the center pod is also available in the wiki (directly under the heading Additional Information): https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_W z2AAw <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann. org_x_Wz2AAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dX AvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=mcQdOdDwOVoOMjlV5jJ7PxHmA06-OcovUEMy _UVHTD4&s=6wkrLcHL5m0fxsl7-TgWb6meovw2u3vzuvDLLWt7Hhc&e> &d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=mcQdOdDwOVoOMjlV5jJ7PxHmA06-OcovUEMy_UVHTD4&s=6w krLcHL5m0fxsl7-TgWb6meovw2u3vzuvDLLWt7Hhc&e= Jeff Neuman:Its all about the effective allocation of TLDs Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):@Cheryl - I agree with you. I really cannot see ICANN trying to decide which applicants qualify as promoting social good. Jeff Neuman:Hand up :) John Laprise:I can't see the GAC signing off on a definition of social good. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):indeed John Robin Gross:For some, "community" is the new "beauty contest". Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):back to interdependencies in our works as well as an order of required decision order Jeff Christa Taylor:I agree with Jeff - there are multiple considerations Jamie Baxter | dotgay:i think that it is important to rememeber that despite being offered "priority", communities in the current round have actually been put through some of the hardest challeges (financially & legally) and suffered the longest delays. Nothing says priority about the current system, and if it is not addressed, or priority is taken away, it's likely a good guess that few to none will apply in the future.. Jeff Neuman:I agree with jamie Jeff Neuman:from a personal perspective Christa Taylor:Jamie +1 it has been a very long road for community applicants with a significant amount of time and resources Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):COMMENT: Please be very careful about limiting communities to non-profits. For example, our firm represents numerous Native American communities. These communities are not non-profit. They do have names that could operate as TLDs and they do promote cultural goals in relation to preserving indigenous language and culture. COMMENT John Laprise:Let's not forget that it's not just the road but the simple notion that applying for a gTLD is something to consider. Steve Chan:@Jamie, I'll try and see if I can get an update on that review Jamie Baxter | dotgay:much appreciate Steve. Michael Flemming:@Anne, even if a community was not an established non-profit, if the model behind the TLD itself was a non-profit or non-money making model, could that be used to tie into the model of a community TLD? Michael Flemming:Thank you for clarity. Christa Taylor:+1 Karen John Laprise:Just remember that for every "good" we want to support, there is an equal and opposite "bad" community. Conferring preference opens the door to malevolent communities too. Emily Barabas:please go ahead karen avri doria:John and some people's good is other people's evil. often the fate of many minority communitites. Emily Barabas:you have control John Laprise:Agreed Avri Annebeth Lange:Could you put the link to this presentation in the notes, Emily? Emily Barabas:@Annebeth, yes, one moment please Emily Barabas:The slides are available here under the heading Documents: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_F bHRAw <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann. org_x_FbHRAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dX AvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=mcQdOdDwOVoOMjlV5jJ7PxHmA06-OcovUEMy _UVHTD4&s=w9dHvqlRMfjEKRgk_KY5jPcFEgZwTX56MYzVYODmzaA&e> &d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXh FzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=mcQdOdDwOVoOMjlV5jJ7PxHmA06-OcovUEMy_UVHTD4&s=w9 dHvqlRMfjEKRgk_KY5jPcFEgZwTX56MYzVYODmzaA&e= Annebeth Lange:Thanks @ Emily Jeff Neuman:It should be noted for the record that this version 3 of the GAC Subgroup has een abandoned for now Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):thanks everyone... lots more to come on this of course... bye for now Jeff Neuman:Now there is a repository proposal.....but still may have similar implications Robin Gross:Can we see the latest GAC proposal, Jeff? Terri Agnew:next meeting: New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team - Track 3 - String Contention, Objections & Disputes will take place on Tuesday, 02 May 2017 at 20:00 UTC Jeff Neuman:WIll try to find it Annebeth Lange:Thanks Christa Taylor:Thank-you Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):Thank yoiu. avri doria:bye Robin Gross:Thanks, Karen and all. Bye!