**Apologies for the technical issues on today’s call, we are investigating the cause. Dear All, Please find the attendance and recording of the call attached to this email and the AC Chat below for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 3 – String Contention, Objections & Disputes held on Tuesday, 11 October 2016 at 20:00 UTC. **Due to the technical difficulties on today’s call, please find the Adobe Connect recording URL:: https://participate.icann.org/p7bq4x972g7/<https://participate.icann.org/p7bq4x972g7/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=fb21aab66502774a63d8d75e5bb3b8f1dbe98b14752eaadd2918d3ec00d40be5> The recordings of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg-wt3 Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/GwSbAw Thank you. Kind regards, Terri ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for 11 October 2016 Terri Agnew:Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 3 – String Contention, Objections & Disputes call on Tuesday, 11 October 2016 at 20:00 UTC. Terri Agnew:agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_3... Karen Day:I'm trying to get it to call me... Jeff Neuman:Agenda looks good Emily Barabas 2:yes Mary Wong:Thursday 13 October, 1200 UTC (Council call) Jeff Neuman:Thanks Steve. Steve Chan:I will double-check before sending. Emily Barabas 2:Everyone can zoom and scroll as needed to view the document Jeff Neuman:I was involved in the response to the objections against Hot health Jeff Neuman:Dot health Terri Agnew:@Jeff your audio cut out Terri Agnew:@Jeff, we are no longer hearing you, please let me know if assistance is needed for a dial out Terri Agnew:@Jeff, audio is back Kevin M Kreuser (Go Daddy):I never lost him Kevin M Kreuser (Go Daddy)::) Karen Day:lost you again :) Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):gone again Jeff Neuman:I will call in] Roger Carney:I can still hear Jeff Julie Hedlund:I am getting an error -- says reconnecting to the audio bridge. I think the audio bridge is cutting in and out. Isabel Rutherfurd:Same here Terri Agnew:I am contacting tech support for assitance Julie Hedlund:Okay, now it says audio bridge connected (again). Karen Day:Sorry guy, I just got dropped. Will dial back asap Phil Buckingham:karen , i can get you feedback from IG Group re .broker for next call . Mary Wong:I think I just heard an odd conversation between two people unconnected with this call! Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Just dropped the dial out to me :-( Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Ohhh dear Greg Shatan:Just got kicked off the phone. Emily Barabas 2:same Julie Hedlund:Got kicked off the phone bridge. Phil Buckingham:shall we all recoonect into adobe Terri Agnew:trying to reconnect Greg Shatan:Everyone will hear music until the host joins the meeting.... Greg Shatan:I only got 3 chords. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):sane back on bridge Greg Shatan:and one was an upstrum. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):ear yoou Karen Terri Agnew:telephone connection dropped again, rejoining Greg Shatan:Gone again Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bumped off again trying gain Jeff Neuman:I guess no one wants to hear my story :( Julie Hedlund:Joining the call again. Greg Shatan:Dropped right after 'crazy accusation" A cliff-hanger!! avri doria:these new servers seem to be problematic. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):back I think Terri Agnew:reconnected audio, please join again Karen Day:I'm in an endless loop of "please press 1" Jeff Neuman:Perhaps I will just write it out :) Julie Hedlund:Gee Jeff, was it something you said ;-) Jeff Neuman:probably Steve Chan:@Karen, when that's happened to me, I cancel the request and try again. It's resolved for me in the past. Greg Shatan:This is running on a massively parallel network of Samsung Note 7s and Blackberries, powered by a Yugo. Terri Agnew:Please rejoin, we are connected back Isabel Rutherfurd:Karen is coming in and out for me Crescent Ezekwu:Same here Mary Wong:Seems to be a problem with AC audio only. Terri Agnew:@Isabel, can you join on the telephone? Please let me know if directions are needed how the AC can dial out to you Mary Wong:I'm getting crossed lines again with a different conversation - sounds like an online training module. Isabel Rutherfurd:Thanks, I am dialed in now and hear fine avri doria:but at least i could hear that clearly. everything else was breaking up here in s=South Africa. Terri Agnew:Apologies everyone for the technical difficulties today. We are looking into the cause Terri Agnew:@Mary, I have reported this as well Kevin M Kreuser (Go Daddy):I'm not getting consistent sound. Dropping off. Emily Barabas:yes Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):fair way forward Jeff Steve Chan:Here are the grounds for LPI in section 3.5.3 of the AGB: Steve Chan:• Incitement to or promotion of violent lawless action; Steve Chan:• Incitement to or promotion of discrimination based upon race, color, gender, ethnicity, religion or national origin, or other similar types of discrimination that violate generally accepted legal norms recognized under principles of international law; Julie Hedlund:Greg Shatan has his hand up. Steve Chan:• Incitement to or promotion of child pornography or other sexual abuse of children; or Steve Chan:• A determination that an applied-for gTLD string would be contrary to specific principles of international law as reflected in relevant international instruments of law. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):human nature it seem Greg Jeff Neuman:got disconnected again Terri Agnew:dropped, connecting again Greg Shatan:I am pressing 1 dammit! Julie Hedlund:Yep, dropped again -- back. Terri Agnew:rejoined Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):dropped agin retrying Greg Shatan:Back Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):back **SIGH** Steve Chan:The call seems to drop every time Jeff speaks :) Karen Day:+1 Steve :) Jeff Neuman:I thikn the problem was the vague reference to "International Law" that was the problem Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):worth discussing KKaren Jeff Neuman:A determination that an applied-for gTLD string would be contrary to specific principles of international law as reflected in relevant international instruments of law. Steve Chan:AGB Module 3: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__newgtlds.icann.org_en_a... Jeff Neuman:In the objection to dot health, they did reference a vague notion of a violation of International law....but obviously it was too far fetched and they lost Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Perhaps a better checklist is essential to o with an objection? Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):go Mary Wong:I believe that list of treaties was added as a result of the work of the Rec 6 Working Group on this objection proces, and I think it may be a non-exhaustive list. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO)::-) Kurt Pritz:Looking down this list, I see only one where the objector prevailed: (ie., kept the string out) .hospital. Is that correct? Jeff Neuman:@kurt - yes Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I believe we could still work with a nn exhaustive list though Jeff Neuman:If I remember correctly, the objection costs around $250,000 Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):None exahstive list Kurt Pritz:I am tempted to say we should consider not having this type of objection, but there are valid, but remote, reasons for having it. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):recognise that an 'other' choice from such a list has greater risk/ scruteny Mary Wong:There's a difference between the principle/basis for filing an objection and what is actually required to be proven in every case. Isabel Rutherfurd:I think it makes sense to put together as there seem to be overlapping issues Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I prefer as a Unique entity for the IO Jeff Neuman:Should address after we do commnity Jeff Neuman:right Isabel Rutherfurd:I don't mind discussing separately, there just may be some overlap Mary Wong:For instance, it's not possible to really state, exhaustively, what the applicable principles of public international law are. However, it MAY be possible to specify that an objector must state the actual principle (treaty, customary law, cases) that they are invoking with some specificity and documentation. Jeff Neuman:We should take thenotes from today and apply it towards the IO discussion Steve Chan:I believe IO was limited to filing on only two grounds - may make sense to consider community first, as Jeff suggested. Terri Agnew:The next call for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team – Track 3 – String Contention, Objections & Disputes will take place on Tuesday, 25 October 2016 at 03:00 UTC. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Tough call with the Tech issues but we hve progressed THANKS Karen and all... Talk agin soon... Bye for now Jeff Neuman:Thanks Karen!!! Terri Agnew:Thank you everyone for your patience today Julie Hedlund:Thanks all for hanging in there!