Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] [***] Re: Conference call: city names

May 24, 2018

      Hello Alexander

I have been reading your recent posts about the possibilities of the next round (whether that is 2020 or not doesn’t matter).  I think we need to be very cautious about some of the points you’ve made which sound like attempts to prohibit certain types of applicants from applying for top level domains.

I don’t think it is supportable to claim that

"In 2020 we will face for example:
•         VC funded portfolio applicants trying to “wipe out” entire categories – e.g. all cities with more than 500,000 people! The goal is to “make money” – not to operate a resourceful city infrastructure element.
•         Applicants who have ZERO ties to the DNS business – but assume it should be easy to run a gTLD for their city (until they find out: it is actually not easy)”

It is up to applicants to adequately fund their operations (noting that many have failed for numerous reasons).  It is not up to the ICANN application system to tell mature businesses what they should or shouldn’t be investing in.   Why wouldn’t a sensible business who invests in TLDs not want to make money?

The “danger” for the both constituencies “Internet User” and “prospective city gTLD registrant” in a given city is that absence of management for the string will render it impotent. A city gTLD should be MANAGED! Not just “opened up for registration”.

And why wouldn’t a sensible investor want to manage its business?  We can’t be in the game of telling applicants how they run their businesses?

Vetting requirements create a very useful real “competition” – as applicants will have to answer to the city’s RFP!

This is challenge…You have said that applicants have to answer a city’s RFP?  Why?  Isn’t this an ICANN process?

Geo gTLDs will together with “brand” gTLDs THE main silo in the future. Especially attractive for land-grabbers as these TLDs have a “built in” natural demand – AND there are lots of entities within the cities who might later buy the TLD operator. We should make sure to protect the city gTLD land from being subjected to wild speculation phantasies of ROI hungry VCs.

Which "ROI hungry VCs" are you referring to?  Who are the land-grabbers?  Do you mean your potentially competing applicants for strings that you also might be interested in?  Contention sets for the same strings were a known problem in the last round.  Contention resolution was not a pretty process but everyone knew what they were getting into after the string applications had been revealed.  That has, however, nothing to do with coming up with policy recommendations for geographic names.

Liz
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On 15 May 2018, at 12:06 am, Alexander Schubert <alexander@schubert.berlin<mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin>> wrote:

Dear Annebeth,

I would like to caution that the mechanics for gTLD applications will substantially change in the next round! In 2012 we had mostly ICANN folks spearheading efforts – and for the most part they knew what they do!

In 2020 we will face for example:
•         VC funded portfolio applicants trying to “wipe out” entire categories – e.g. all cities with more than 500,000 people! The goal is to “make money” – not to operate a resourceful city infrastructure element.
•         Applicants who have ZERO ties to the DNS business – but assume it should be easy to run a gTLD for their city (until they find out: it is actually not easy)

The “danger” for the both constituencies “Internet User” and “prospective city gTLD registrant” in a given city is that absence of management for the string will render it impotent. A city gTLD should be MANAGED! Not just “opened up for registration”.

Vetting requirements create a very useful real “competition” – as applicants will have to answer to the city’s RFP!

Geo gTLDs will together with “brand” gTLDs THE main silo in the future. Especially attractive for land-grabbers as these TLDs have a “built in” natural demand – AND there are lots of entities within the cities who might later buy the TLD operator. We should make sure to protect the city gTLD land from being subjected to wild speculation phantasies of ROI hungry VCs.

How do I know all this? I have been involved in at least three city gTLD applications in 2012 – and I am preparing for geo gTLD applications for the 2nd round since 2011/2012. Obviously I am analyzing the “teething troubles” of the 1st small batch of city gTLDs – and am in close negotiations with constituencies in cities who wish to fund, market and manage their own city’s gTLD – instead leaving that to a VC funded entity that needs to make cash rather than creating benefit for the geo community.

Thanks,

Alexander

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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] [***] Re: Conference call: city names

Dear all

Based on the experience from last round, the points raised By Chislain de Salins are worth noticing.

A relevant question could be: If the requirement for a non-objection/support letter had not been implemented in the AGB 2012, would there have been more conflicts? Many cities are now in the root after having consultations with relevant governments. It is worth asking ourselves if there would have more problems, delays and court cases if things hadn’t been sorted out in advance.

What Chislain writes below, that we don’t want a “policythat would allow an applicant to go for a top level and then see it challenged in courts because we, in this work track, refused to carefully analyse existing local and international sources of law. For the same reason, a letter of non objection is very valuable. It’s not only a balanced solution between reservation and open registration / delegation ; it also shields in some ways the applicant from legal risks” – makes a lot of sense to me.

I do not take stand as to how this should be solved, but I think it would be to the benefit of all stakeholders to avoid as many problems, court cases and delays as possible.

This discussion, which as I have been following as a co-chair, has been intense and interesting and shows strongly different views. However, if we could pick the elements from both sides that will strengthen the policy for next round, we would all gain from that and at the same time strengthen us as an organization that shows how to work together.

Kind regards,
Annebeth

From: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of DE SALINS Ghislain <ghislain.de-salins@finances.gouv.fr<mailto:ghislain.de-salins@finances.gouv.fr>>
Date: Saturday, 12 May 2018 at 02:42
To: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>, Robin Gross <robin@ipjustice.org<mailto:robin@ipjustice.org>>
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] [***] Re: Conference call: city names

Dear Greg,

Yes, you’re right to point that there are different categories of things and that we should not confuse them. There is local law and international law. There is ICANN and the UN.

Now, those categories being different doesn’t mean they’re not related, or that one could not articulate them. Just as ICANN doesn’t live in autarky, local and international law nourish and cross reference each other. International law is the product of national governments agreeing on common principles, with results ranging from biding treaties to soft law like declarations, recommendations, advice, etc.  You’ll see that the courts decisions referenced in this thread (local law) actually have direct and indirect references to international law. Reciprocally, international law is built on concepts derived from national law especially courts decisions that often go much more into details and real life issues. There is ongoing work in UNESCO and WIPO on cultural heritage / geo names and how to protect them. And a national court may very well use those general frameworks to apply them to the domain names system. Think about how in 2014 the European court of justice found in a 1995 directive on privacy the basis for the right to be delisted on search engines (and I can tell you the word “such engine” does not appear in this directive just as the “DNS” doesn’t in some other sources of law...).

So it would be dangerous and, in my opinion, a stretch to completely outline local laws from the discussion. First because local laws, at least so far, have been complied with by ICANN (think GDPR). And second because what an applicant wants above all is legal certainty (again, think GDPR and how much trouble could have been avoided if we tried to incorporate the law in the policy first instead of doing the opposite). So what we don’t want is a policy that would allow an applicant to go for a top level and then see it challenged in courts because we, in this work track, refused to carefully analyse existing local and international sources of law. For the same reason, a letter of non objection is very valuable. It’s not only a balanced solution between reservation and open registration / delegation ; it also shields in some ways the applicant from legal risks.

Anyway, let’s try to be open and not think only with binary views and extreme postions.

Best

GDS

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Objet : [***] Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names

I agree 100% with Robin.

ICANN is not bound to follow every local law in the world.  All law is not “applicable” to ICANN.  Echoing Robin, I’m not sure if this is willful or ignorant (or willfully ignorant)....  The subtext here is that local law that supports a certain position (or fulfills a certain wish) is “applicable,” but all the rest isn’t.  That is not an intellectually sustainable position.

Best regards,

Greg

On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 1:51 PM Robin Gross <robin@ipjustice.org<mailto:robin@ipjustice.org><mailto:robin@ipjustice.org><mailto:robin@ipjustice.org%3e>> wrote:
There seems to a massive conflation by some of the term “local law” with the term “international law”.  Local law applies locally.  If local law applied internationally, it would be called "international law".  But it isn’t.  It is called local law, because it only applies locally, not internationally.  I’m disappointed by the attempts by some govts to pretend like these two entirely different concepts have the same meaning and the same effect globally.  It is either ignorance or an attempt to mislead.  Either way, it is troubling.

Best,
Robin

On May 9, 2018, at 10:35 PM, Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch> wrote:

Dear Paul

Under that article public authorities such as cities have the right to protect their name in general, also in the DNS, as the case-law shows.

Similar laws exist in other countries and are also applicable to the DNS, as case-law shows.

These laws reflect amongst other things the public interest of public authorities in their denominations and the identity of their communities.

And please don‘t forget that the DNS is global, a TLD is unique, its delegation has effects everywhere, and local law if applicable needs to be respected by ICANN pursuant its bylaws.

Besides that I guess you are aware that in case of persisting infringement of any right, anyone entitled to a right (eg a brand owner or a city government on its name) has to go to court to enforce that right.

But I guess we may both agree that that would be a bad idea in the DNS, and that policy solutions like UDRP are preferable - policy solutions where rights and interests are considered from the start, everyone is brought to a table and protracted conflicts are avoided...

Best regards

Jorge

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Hi Jorge,

Following up on our conversation today on the WG call, I took a look at Article 29 of the Swiss Civil Code as you suggested.  I don't see anything in here about a government's right to block delegation of top level domain names.  In fact, there is no mention of top level domain names at all nor any mention of any preemptive rights at all.  It does provide a mechanism to deal with name disputes, but those are in the purview of the courts, not in the purview of prior restraints on speech.  Here is the language of the Article:

"Art. 29 1 If a person’s use of his or her name is disputed, he or she may apply for a court declaration confirming his rights. 2 If a person is adversely affected because another person is using his or her name, he or she may seek an order prohibiting such use and, if the user is at fault, may bring a claim for damages and, where justified by the nature of the infringement, for satisfaction."

Is there another Article 29 to which you are referring?  Absent that, I don't think this supports the position you are advancing.  Under Article 29 if someone was upset about a top level domain name, they could, in theory, go to courts, but nothing in here allows for preemptive blocking of speech.

Also, is there any other basis whatsoever under international or national law, other than what appears to be an inapplicable Swiss Code section, to support the notion that governments have a right to pre-censor the top level?  If so, now is the time to produce citations so that we can all read them.  Thanks!

Best,
Paul

On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 4:41 PM, Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com<mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com><mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com><mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com<mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com>><mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com%3e%3cmailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com%3cmailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com%3e%3e>> wrote:
I didn't see those Jorge.  Could you resend please?
Paul

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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names

Hi Greg
Please see my responses to Paul and Robin, where I explain my thinking.
Have a nice weekend
best
Jorge

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Also, why do you think that right should have any extraterritorial effect?

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Jorge,

Can you expand on that, please? Why do you think it’s different, in ways
that are relevant here? And why do you think it’s superior (assuming you
do)?

Thanks,

Greg

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Dear Greg
Luzern has a right on the name as such under civil right, which is
qualitatively different.
Best
Jorge

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Alexander,

You seem to be confusing how patents work and how trademarks work.  Patents
can accurately be characterized as a “right to exclude.”  Trademarks cannot.
The company has positive rights in LUCERNE.

When enforcing that trademark, the owners of LUCERNE can seek to stop use or
registration of a mark that raises a “likelihood of confusion” — basically,
the same or similar mark for the same or related goods and services, and for
goods and services in the “natural zone of expansion.”  I’m not saying they
have the right to stop EVERYBODY nor should they, but then again, neither
should Luzern.

Greg

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 10:31 AM Alexander Schubert
<alexander@schubert.berlin<mailto:alexander@schubert.berlin>> wrote:
Greg,

Lucerne Foods, Inc. (an American legal entity) might have acquired trade
mark rights in the United States of America – but NOT for “LUCERNE”! The
trade mark protection prevents the commercial usage of the trade-marked
string “lucerne” - FOR A VERY NARROW SELECTION OF SERVICES AND GOODS.  It’s
rather the services and goods that you protect – FOR a certain string. The
string itself is free to use by anybody for everything (minus the few goods
and services trade-marked).

And nobody says that “governments think the rights of governments come
first” – it is THE PEOPLE who come first of course – and Governments are
merely representing them.

Alexander

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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names

Of course Lucerne Foods has a right on Lucerne.  More precisely, they have
legitimate interests in and a legal right to Lucerne.  And they have
trademark registrations for LUCERNE.  As with any registration they specify
goods and services. That doesn’t make their rights less valid.

Can you clarify if you believe that the hypothetical applicant for .sandwich
should be required to get letters of support or nonobjective from Sandwich,
Mass and Sandwich, England? Thank you.

Greg

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 1:43 AM
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Dear Greg

Thanks for your reply. “Lucerne Foods” has no right on “Lucerne” – it most
probably just has a trademark for “lucerne foods” in very specific
categories of products and services (food related I guess).

In Switzerland (“Lucerne” as such) would in fact be barred from registration
as a business name (as I have said). And the city of Lucerne has a right on
its name pursuant 29 Civil Code, so it has clearly a good legal ground to
challenge the delegation of the unique resource “.lucerne”.

But beyond the Swiss legal system, the delegation of the unique resource
which is a city’s name will give rise to political sensitivities, whatever
the “intended use”. You need that city government on board. Otherwise you
will have a political problem – which is quite natural as city governments
have responsibilities, and the name of their city is their main identifier.

Best

Jorge

Von: Greg Shatan
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Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Mai 2018 07:36
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Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names

Uniqueness does not convey primacy upon governments.

TLDs may be unique, but that does not mean that governments should get a
"Trump Card" to block any use of a string with (among other things) a
geographic meaning.  I can understand why governments think the rights of
governments come first, but that's not going to get us very far.

"Use" is absolutely important -- it goes to whether a legitimate right is
being exercised or infringed.

If Lucerne Foods
(www.lucernefoods.com<http://www.lucernefoods.com><http://www.lucernefoods.com><http://www.lucernefoods.com><http://www.lucernefoods.com><http://www.lucernefoods.c<http://www.lucernefoods.com%3e%3chttp:/www.lucernefoods.com%3e%3chttp:/www.lucernefoods.com%3e%3chttp:/www.lucernefoods.c>
om>), one of the world's largest food producers, wants to apply for
.lucerne, they should have the right to do so, without interference from
Luzern.  (I assume they have
lucernefoods.com<http://lucernefoods.com><http://lucernefoods.com><http://lucernefoods.com><http://lucernefoods.com><http://lucernefoods.com<http://lucernefoods.com%3e%3chttp:/lucernefoods.com%3e%3chttp:/lucernefoods.com%3e%3chttp:/lucernefoods.com>> because
www.lucerne.com<http://www.lucerne.com><http://www.lucerne.com><http://www.lucerne.com><http://www.lucerne.com><http://www.lucerne.com<http://www.lucerne.com%3e%3chttp:/www.lucerne.com%3e%3chttp:/www.lucerne.com%3e%3chttp:/www.lucerne.com>> was already
taken.)

Best regards,

Greg

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 1:23 AM,
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Dear Greg and all,

„Sandwich“ may be a nice example, but fact is that, as I explained, the
“use” is not really important, as we only have one string with that city
name – TLDs are unique.

Therefore, whatever the intended use (a can of worms on its own btw), the
unique TLD with the “city name” would be delegated. Think on “.shanghai”
delegated for a “non geo-use”. Who would say that would have no
implications, that would not arise no political sensitivities?

But getting back to my country, if “.luzern” were to be applied for,
intending a “non-geo use”, I would very well understand that this would
bring about not only political issues but also legal challenges in our
country (based on Art. 29 civil code).

All this is avoided if you acknowledge the facts (TLDs are unique and
political sensitivities are there) and try to put everyone at the table. The
non-objection letter does that. It may be improved, based on factual issues
detected in the 2012 round – btw: we should of course consult all parties in
those issues and get first-hand information from the applicants and public
authorities involved – just basing our analysis on hearsay, opinions or
third-party reports would not be appropriate (Greg, you will remember that
in the “jurisdiction Subgroup” of the CCWG Accountability we followed the
same path of only looking at first hand evidence…).

Best regards

Jorge

Von: Greg Shatan
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Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Mai 2018 07:07
An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM
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Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names

The burden of non-objection is "fairly" put on the applicant (if at all)
only if the intended use of the gTLD is as a "geo TLD."  If the applied-for
string is going to be used for other purposes, there should be no
opportunity for a non-applicant to block an application.  (If the "place" is
another applicant, that's an entirely different situation that I am not
covering in this email.)

Consider an application for .sandwich as a gTLD geared toward domains for
sandwich restaurants, sandwich recipe sites, sandwich fans, sandwich
historians, sellers of sandwich ingredients (meats, cheeses, breads,
condiments, etc.) or sandwich implements (panini presses, toaster ovens,
etc.).  Sandwich, England and Sandwich, Mass. (and the Earl of Sandwich)
should have no say in the matter.

This is analogous to the treatment of brands.  If Delta Faucets applies for
.Delta, Delta Van Lines has no basis for an objection -- because Delta
Faucets has a legitimate right.  Delta Van Lines option is to apply or not
to apply (even if it is only a "defensive application").  This is a
practical and time-tested model that we should use for strings with
geographic and other meanings, at least where the gTLDs use is not as a "geo
TLD".

Greg

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 12:56 AM,
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Dear Liz

The burden to obtain the non-objection is fairly put on the applicant, who
has, as you also say, a direct interest in avoiding objections.

The city governments of this world (we have 2000+ in tiny Switzerland),
whose name is applied to by an applicant in a widely unknown setting which
is ICANN cannot be expected to be privy to such procedures and to be
monitoring the rounds of applications. This is of course much more difficult
for developing and large countries, whose cities may realize one day that
their name was taken as a TLD in a process they did not know, because they
did not „object“.

To the larger point: you argue/assert that the non-objection letter should
not be continued. Alas you have produced no factual basis that would warrant
that, beyond one case (africa) where the problems were of an unrelated
character, another (amazon) that did NOT fall under the non objection rule,
which leaves us with one case (tata) where issues may be analyzed and
addressed without changing the system and putting the incentive structure
completely upside-down.

More broadly speaking, ICANN cannot just ignore the political sensitivities,
which are backed by different policies, laws etc. depending on the
corresponding country. You need their representatives at the table and
non-objecting if you want to avoid protracted issues. These kinds of issues
only would grow if you gerrymander those public authorities out of the game.

best regards

Jorge

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Datum: 4. Mai 2018 um 00:48:00 MESZ
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Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names

Hello everyone

This thread has brought out some really interesting ideas.  I may have a
simpler solution because what we are really talking about, in many cases, is
backward looking difficult history from which we need to move on.  We should
not be satisfied with a 2007 policy and a 2012 implementation if it
continues to “allow” bad policy to chase “poor” implementation.

I may have a solution though because what we are essentially talking about
also is how a interested stakeholder can express “objection” to something.
I would like to see the end of the “non-objection” process all together, for
reasons explained in other posts.  However, “objecting to an application" is
still a legitimate course of action for someone to take if they don’t want
something to happen.  Here are the steps.

1.  If you support something, say so.  This is really up to an applicant to
do the footwork to demonstrate in an application that this has taken place.
We can then think on implementation elements of what that could look like.

2.  If you don’t object to something, allow it to happen.  If you change
your mind, you must do it within agreed strict time parameters see point 3.
(Non-Objection letters will be a thing of the past).

3.  If you do object, make an appropriately framed objection whoever you
are.  Within that objection process, refer to international law, domestic
law, ISO standards and so on that are relevant to the applicant & the
application.   This takes out the endless discussion here about what should
be referred to which causes such trouble.

The applicant takes responsibility for ensuring that they submit an
application which addresses those points and avoids an objection (all
applicants are highly motivated to avoid objections).  An objector must use
those standards;  pay for making the objection and submit it within
appropriate time frames.  Evaluators then take those objections into account
in evaluation.  An objector (whoever they are) must accept that their
objection may be discarded by evaluators.

Then we can close off the endless circular differences between jurisdictions
and we focus on the real work that takes place for an applicant in an
application process.

I look forward to hearing more from colleagues because this could apply to
a) any application and b) geographic terms in particular.   Our policy
recommendation then comes around to open process, objective criteria,
assumption of compliance with law, competition and innovation.  The points
above are then implementation guidelines that improve an AGB.

Liz

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On 4 May 2018, at 4:50 am, Mike Rodenbaugh
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Maybe Staff can help compile any such laws and cases related to domains?  We
should deal with concrete examples, as I have given re 4 TLD applications
from the last round.

Mike Rodenbaugh
RODENBAUGH LAW
tel/fax:  +1.415.738.8087
http://rodenbaugh.com<http://rodenbaugh.com/><http://rodenbaugh.com%3chttp:/rodenbaugh.com/%3e>

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 10:32 AM,
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Dear Mike
There are similar laws in other countries. For Switzerland you can look it
up online quite easily (in various languages). There is case-law but I guess
the court decisions will be in German and French.
Besides, limits to register solely city names and other geographic terms as
such as trademarks or business names are also common...
On the other hand, as said before, rights on brands are limited to specific
categories of products and services...
In the end, as said, you have different interests converging on a single
string, where in our opinion the public interest is paramount.
Best
Jorge

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Von: Mike Rodenbaugh
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Datum: 3. Mai 2018 um 19:26:08 MESZ
An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM
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Cc: Gregory S. Shatan
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Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names

I would like to see the text of such laws, and any cases that apply them to
domain names.  I guess there might be one in France too, but I haven't dug
into the particulars of the French legal proceedings re
France.com<http://France.com><http://France.com<http://france.com/>>.

Mike Rodenbaugh
RODENBAUGH LAW
tel/fax:  +1.415.738.8087
http://rodenbaugh.com<http://rodenbaugh.com/><http://rodenbaugh.com%3chttp:/rodenbaugh.com/%3e>

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 10:19 AM,
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Dear Mike
I mentioned some, eg in Switzerland cities have rights to protect their
names under the civil code (art. 29), and provisions prevent the
registration of business names and trademarks that solely consist of city
names.
best
Jorge

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Von: Mike Rodenbaugh
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Datum: 3. Mai 2018 um 19:06:27 MESZ
An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM
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Cc: Gregory S. Shatan
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Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names

Jorge, what law provides for governments to claim superior rights to
geographic (or any other) domain names?  I am not aware of any, so am eager
to be enlightened if they exist.

Thanks,
Mike

Mike Rodenbaugh
RODENBAUGH LAW
tel/fax:  +1.415.738.8087
http://rodenbaugh.com<http://rodenbaugh.com/><http://rodenbaugh.com%3chttp:/rodenbaugh.com/%3e>

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wrote:
Dear Mike

Thanks for your input.

In the end we have different bodies, entities etc. holding interests on one
single string. In our view (Swiss perspective), public interest provides for
clear limits to private monopolization over geographic names such as city
names – this is reflected in law.

Best regards

Jorge

Von: Mike Rodenbaugh
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Mai 2018 09:49
An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM
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