+1Thanks,Harish Chowdhary,Technology Analyst,National Internet Exchange of IndiaISOC FELLOW | inSIG FELLOWIIREF FELLOW | UASG AMBASSADORwww.nixi.in | www.indiaig.in | registry.inFrom: Olga Cavalli <olgacavalli@gmail.com>Sent: Sun, 13 May 2018 01:30:42 GMT+0530To: "gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org" <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] [***] Conference call: city names Dear colleagues, I could not agree more with Ghislain. And please lets avoid terms like "ignorance or an attempt to mislead". None of us is ignorant here and none of us has an atemtpt to mislead. National laws must not be ignored. We must be creative and find ways to enhance the rules developed in 2012 to bring clear rules for all parties. We must learn from the conflicts from 2012, which some are still not solved. Lets be creative and find new approaches. And lets be respectful of different views an positions. Best regards Olga 2018-05-11 21:42 GMT-03:00 DE SALINS Ghislain <ghislain.de-salins@finances.gouv.fr>: Dear Greg,Yes, you’re right to point that there are different categories of things and that we should not confuse them. There is local law and international law. There is ICANN and the UN.Now, those categories being different doesn’t mean they’re not related, or that one could not articulate them. Just as ICANN doesn’t live in autarky, local and international law nourish and cross reference each other. International law is the product of national governments agreeing on common principles, with results ranging from biding treaties to soft law like declarations, recommendations, advice, etc. You’ll see that the courts decisions referenced in this thread (local law) actually have direct and indirect references to international law. Reciprocally, international law is built on concepts derived from national law especially courts decisions that often go much more into details and real life issues. There is ongoing work in UNESCO and WIPO on cultural heri tage / geo names and how to protect them. And a national court may very well use those general frameworks to apply them to the domain names system. Think about how in 2014 the European court of justice found in a 1995 directive on privacy the basis for the right to be delisted on search engines (and I can tell you the word “such engine” does not appear in this directive just as the “DNS” doesn’t in some other sources of law...).So it would be dangerous and, in my opinion, a stretch to completely outline local laws from the discussion. First because local laws, at least so far, have been complied with by ICANN (think GDPR). And second because what an applicant wants above all is legal certainty (again, think GDPR and how much trouble could have been avoided if we tried to incorporate the law in the policy first instead of doing the opposite). So what we don’t want is a policy that would allow an applicant to go for a top level and then see it chall enged in courts because we, in this work track, refused to carefully analyse existing local and international sources of law. For the same reason, a letter of non objection is very valuable. It’s not only a balanced solution between reservation and open registration / delegation ; it also shields in some ways the applicant from legal risks.Anyway, let’s try to be open and not think only with binary views and extreme postions.BestGDS ________________________________________De : Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 [gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org] de la part de Greg Shatan [gregshatanipc@gmail.com]Envoyé : vendredi 11 mai 2018 19:57À : Robin GrossCc : gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.orgObjet : [***] Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city namesI agree 100% with Robin.ICANN is not bound to follow every local law in the world. All law is not “applicable” to ICANN. Echoing Robin, I’m not sure if this is willful or ignorant (or willfull y ignorant).... The subtext here is that local law that supports a certain position (or fulfills a certain wish) is “applicable,” but all the rest isn’t. That is not an intellectually sustainable position.Best regards,GregOn Fri, May 11, 2018 at 1:51 PM Robin Gross <robin@ipjustice.org<mailto:robin@ipjustice.org>> wrote:There seems to a massive conflation by some of the term “local law” with the term “international law”. Local law applies locally. If local law applied internationally, it would be called "international law". But it isn’t. It is called local law, because it only applies locally, not internationally. I’m disappointed by the attempts by some govts to pretend like these two entirely different concepts have the same meaning and the same effect globally. It is either ignorance or an attempt to mislead. Either way, it is troubling.Best,Robin> On May 9, 2018, at 10:35 PM, Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch> wrote:>> Dear Paul>> Under that article public authorities such as cities have the right to protect their name in general, also in the DNS, as the case-law shows.>> Similar laws exist in other countries and are also applicable to the DNS, as case-law shows.>> These laws reflect amongst other things the public interest of public authorities in their denominations and the identity of their communities.>> And please don‘t forget that the DNS is global, a TLD is unique, its delegation has effects everywhere, and local law if applicable needs to be respected by ICANN pursuant its bylaws.>> Besides that I guess you are aware that in case of persisting infringement of any right, anyone entitled to a right (eg a brand owner or a city government on its name) has to go to court to enforce that right.>> But I guess we may both agree that that would be a bad idea in the DNS, and that policy solutions like UDRP are preferable - policy solutions where rights and interests are considered from the start, everyone is brought to a table and protracted conflicts are avoided...>> Best regards>> Jorge>>>> ________________________________>> Von: Paul McGrady <mcgradygnso@gmail.com<mailto:mcgradygnso@gmail.com>>> Datum: 9. Mai 2018 um 23:54:13 MESZ> An: Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com<mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com>>> Cc: Cancio Jorge BAKOM <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>, Greg Shatan (gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>) <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>, gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org> <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>>> Betreff: Re: [Gns o-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names>> Hi Jorge,>> Following up on our conversation today on the WG call, I took a look at Article 29 of the Swiss Civil Code as you suggested. I don't see anything in here about a government's right to block delegation of top level domain names. In fact, there is no mention of top level domain names at all nor any mention of any preemptive rights at all. It does provide a mechanism to deal with name disputes, but those are in the purview of the courts, not in the purview of prior restraints on speech. Here is the language of the Article:>> "Art. 29 1 If a person’s use of his or her name is disputed, he or she may apply for a court declaration confirming his rights. 2 If a person is adversely affected because another person is using his or her name, he or she may seek an order prohibiting such use and, if the user is at fault, may bring a claim for damages and, where justified by th e nature of the infringement, for satisfaction.">> Is there another Article 29 to which you are referring? Absent that, I don't think this supports the position you are advancing. Under Article 29 if someone was upset about a top level domain name, they could, in theory, go to courts, but nothing in here allows for preemptive blocking of speech.>> Also, is there any other basis whatsoever under international or national law, other than what appears to be an inapplicable Swiss Code section, to support the notion that governments have a right to pre-censor the top level? If so, now is the time to produce citations so that we can all read them. Thanks!>> Best,> Paul>>>>> On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 4:41 PM, Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com<mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com><mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com<mailto:paul.rosenzweig@redbranchconsulting.com>&g t;> wrote:> I didn't see those Jorge. Could you resend please?> Paul>> Paul Rosenzweig> M: +1 (202) 329-9650> VOIP: +1 (202) 738 1739>>> -----Original Message-----> From: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org>>> On Behalf> Of Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>> Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2018 5:24 PM> To: gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>> Cc: gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg- wt5] Conference call: city names>> Hi Greg> Please see my responses to Paul and Robin, where I explain my thinking.> Have a nice weekend> best> Jorge>>>> ________________________________>> Von: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>>> Datum: 5. Mai 2018 um 19:31:39 MESZ> An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>>> Cc: alexander@schubert.berlin <alexander@schubert.berlin>,> gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>> <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-w t5@icann.org>>>> Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names>> Also, why do you think that right should have any extraterritorial effect?>> On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 1:30 PM Greg Shatan> <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>>> wrote:> Jorge,>> Can you expand on that, please? Why do you think it’s different, in ways> that are relevant here? And why do you think it’s superior (assuming you> do)?>> Thanks,>> Greg>> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 10:53 AM> <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch< mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>>> wrote:> Dear Greg> Luzern has a right on the name as such under civil right, which is> qualitatively different.> Best> Jorge>>>> ________________________________>> Von: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>>>> Datum: 4. Mai 2018 um 16:44:19 MESZ> An: alexander@schubert.berlin <alexander@schubert.berlin>> Cc: gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann. org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>>>> <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>>>>> Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names> > Alexander,>> You seem to be confusing how patents work and how trademarks work. Patents> can accurately be characterized as a “right to exclude.” Trademarks cannot.> The company has positive rights in LUCERNE.>> When enforcing that trademark, the owners of LUCERNE can seek to stop use or> registration of a mark that raises a “likelihood of confusion” — basically,> the same or similar mark for the same or related goods and services, and for> goods and services in the “natural zone of expansion.” I’m not saying they> have the right to stop EVERYBODY nor should they, but then again, neither> should Luzern.>> Greg>> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 10:31 AM Alexander Schubert> <alexander@schubert.berlin> wrote:> Greg,>> Lucerne Foods, Inc. (an American legal entity) might have acquired trade> mark rights in the United States of America – but NOT for “ LUCERNE”! The> trade mark protection prevents the commercial usage of the trade-marked> string “lucerne” - FOR A VERY NARROW SELECTION OF SERVICES AND GOODS. It’s> rather the services and goods that you protect – FOR a certain string. The> string itself is free to use by anybody for everything (minus the few goods> and services trade-marked).>> And nobody says that “governments think the rights of governments come> first” – it is THE PEOPLE who come first of course – and Governments are> merely representing them.>> Alexander>>>>>> From: Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5> [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org>><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bou<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bou><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bou<mailto:g nso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bou>>> nces@icann.org<mailto:nces@icann.org><mailto:nces@icann.org<mailto:nces@icann.org>>><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org>><mailto:gnso-new<mailto:gnso-new><mailto:gnso-new<mailto:gnso-new>>> gtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org><mailto:gtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gtld-wg-wt5-bounces@icann.org>>>>] On Behalf Of Greg Shatan> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2018 9:08 AM> To:> Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch> >><mailto:Jorge<mailto:Jorge><mailto:Jorge<mailto:Jorge>>> .Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>>>> Cc:> gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>>><mailto:g<mailto:g><mailto:g<mailto:g>>> nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:nso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@ica nn.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names>> Of course Lucerne Foods has a right on Lucerne. More precisely, they have> legitimate interests in and a legal right to Lucerne. And they have> trademark registrations for LUCERNE. As with any registration they specify> goods and services. That doesn’t make their rights less valid.>> Can you clarify if you believe that the hypothetical applicant for .sandwich> should be required to get letters of support or nonobjective from Sandwich,> Mass and Sandwich, England? Thank you.>> Greg>> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 1:43 AM> <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admi n.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>><mailto:Jorg<mailto:Jorg><mailto:Jorg<mailto:Jorg>>> e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>>>> wrote:> Dear Greg>> Thanks for your reply. “Lucerne Foods” has no right on “Lucerne” – it most> probably just has a trademark for “lucerne foods” in very specific> categories of products and services (food related I guess).>> In Switzerland (“Lucerne” as such) would in fact be barred from registration> as a business name (as I have said). And the city of Lucerne has a right on> its name p ursuant 29 Civil Code, so it has clearly a good legal ground to> challenge the delegation of the unique resource “.lucerne”.>> But beyond the Swiss legal system, the delegation of the unique resource> which is a city’s name will give rise to political sensitivities, whatever> the “intended use”. You need that city government on board. Otherwise you> will have a political problem – which is quite natural as city governments> have responsibilities, and the name of their city is their main identifier.>> Best>> Jorge>> Von: Greg Shatan> [mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>><mailto:gregs<mailto:gregs><mailto:gregs<mailto:gregs>>> ha tanipc@gmail.com<mailto:hatanipc@gmail.com><mailto:hatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:hatanipc@gmail.com>><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>>>]> Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Mai 2018 07:36> An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM> <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>><mailto:Jorg<mailto:Jorg><mailto:Jorg<mailto:Jorg>>> e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.adm in.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>>>>>> Cc: Liz Williams> <liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au>><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au>>><mailto:liz.willia<mailto:liz.willia><mailto:liz.willia<mailto:liz.willia>>> ms@auda.org.au<mailto:ms@auda.org.au><mailto:ms@auda.org.au<mailto:ms@auda.org.au>><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au>>>>>; Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5> <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org <mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>>><mailto:> gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names>> Uniqueness does not convey primacy upon governments.>> TLDs may be unique, but that does not mean that governments should get a> "Trump Card" to block any use of a string with (among other things) a> geographic meaning. I can understand why governments think the rights of> governments come first, but that's not going to get us very far.>> "Use" is absolutely important -- it goes to whether a legitimate right is> being exercised or infringed.>> If Lucerne Foods> (www.lucernefoods.com<http://www.lucernefoods.com><http://www.lucernefoods.com><http://www.lucernefoods.com><http://www.lucernefoods.c>; om>), one of the world's largest food producers, wants to apply for> .lucerne, they should have the right to do so, without interference from> Luzern. (I assume they have> lucernefoods.com<http://lucernefoods.com><http://lucernefoods.com><http://lucernefoods.com><http://lucernefoods.com>; because> www.lucerne.com<http://www.lucerne.com><http://www.lucerne.com><http://www.lucerne.com><http://www.lucerne.com>; was already> taken.)>> Best regards,>> Greg>> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 1:23 AM,> <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin .ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>><mailto:Jorg<mailto:Jorg><mailto:Jorg<mailto:Jorg>> > e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>>>> wrote:> Dear Greg and all,>> „Sandwich“ may be a nice example, but fact is that, as I explained, the> “use” is not really important, as we only have one string with that city> name – TLDs are unique.>> Therefore, whatever the intended use (a can of worms on its own btw), the> unique TLD with the “city name” would be delegated. Think on “.shanghai”> delegated for a “non geo-use”. Who would say that would have no> implications, that would not arise no political sensitivities?>> But getting back to my country, if “.luzern” were to be applied for,> intending a “non-geo use”, I would very well understand that this would> bring about not only political issues but also legal challenges in our> country (based on Art. 29 civil code).>> All this is avoided if you acknowledge the facts (TLDs are unique and> political sensitivities are there) and try to put everyone at the table. The> non-objection letter does that. It may be improved, based on factual issues> detected in the 2012 round – btw: we should of course consult all parties in> those issues and get first-hand information from the applicants and public> authorities involved – just basing our analysis on hearsay, opinions or> third-party reports would not be appropriate (Greg, you will remember that> in the “jurisdiction Subgroup” of the CCWG Accountability we followed the> same path of only looking at first hand evidence…).>> Best regards>> Jorge>> Von: Greg Shatan> [mailto:gregshatanipc@g mail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>><mailto:gregs<mailto:gregs><mailto:gregs<mailto:gregs>>> hatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:hatanipc@gmail.com><mailto:hatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:hatanipc@gmail.com>><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com><mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>>>]> Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Mai 2018 07:07> An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM> <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Can cio@bakom.admin.ch>>><http://kom.>; admin.ch<http://admin.ch><http://admin.ch>>>>; Cc: Liz Williams> <liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au>><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au>>><mailto:liz.willia<mailto:liz.willia><mailto:liz.willia<mailto:liz.willia>>> ms@auda.org.au<mailto:ms@auda.org.au><mailto:ms@auda.org.au<mailto:ms@auda.org.au>><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au>>>>>; Icann Gnso Newgtld Wg Wt5> <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org> ;><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>>><mailto:> gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names>> The burden of non-objection is "fairly" put on the applicant (if at all)> only if the intended use of the gTLD is as a "geo TLD." If the applied-for> string is going to be used for other purposes, there should be no> opportunity for a non-applicant to block an application. (If the "place" is> another applicant, that' ;s an entirely different situation that I am not> covering in this email.)>> Consider an application for .sandwich as a gTLD geared toward domains for> sandwich restaurants, sandwich recipe sites, sandwich fans, sandwich> historians, sellers of sandwich ingredients (meats, cheeses, breads,> condiments, etc.) or sandwich implements (panini presses, toaster ovens,> etc.). Sandwich, England and Sandwich, Mass. (and the Earl of Sandwich)> should have no say in the matter.>> This is analogous to the treatment of brands. If Delta Faucets applies for> .Delta, Delta Van Lines has no basis for an objection -- because Delta> Faucets has a legitimate right. Delta Van Lines option is to apply or not> to apply (even if it is only a "defensive application"). This is a> practical and time-tested model that we should use for strings with> geographic and other meanings, at least where the gTLDs use is not as a "geo&g t; TLD".>> Greg>> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 12:56 AM,> <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>><mailto:Jorg<mailto:Jorg><mailto:Jorg<mailto:Jorg>> > e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>>>> wrote:> Dear Liz>> The burden to obtain the non-objection is fairly put on the applicant, who> has, as you also say, a direct interest in avoiding objections.>> The city governments of this world (we have 2000+ in tiny Switzerland),> whose name is applied to by an applicant in a widely unknown setting which> is ICANN cannot be expected to be privy to such procedures and to be> monitoring the rounds of applications. This is of course much more difficult> for developing and large countries, whose cities may realize one day that> their name was taken as a TLD in a process they did not know, because they> did not „object“.>& gt; To the larger point: you argue/assert that the non-objection letter should> not be continued. Alas you have produced no factual basis that would warrant> that, beyond one case (africa) where the problems were of an unrelated> character, another (amazon) that did NOT fall under the non objection rule,> which leaves us with one case (tata) where issues may be analyzed and> addressed without changing the system and putting the incentive structure> completely upside-down.>> More broadly speaking, ICANN cannot just ignore the political sensitivities,> which are backed by different policies, laws etc. depending on the> corresponding country. You need their representatives at the table and> non-objecting if you want to avoid protracted issues. These kinds of issues> only would grow if you gerrymander those public authorities out of the game.>> best regards>> Jorge>>>> ________________________________>> Von: Liz Williams& gt; <liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au>><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au>>><mailto:liz.willia<mailto:liz.willia><mailto:liz.willia<mailto:liz.willia>>> ms@auda.org.au<mailto:ms@auda.org.au><mailto:ms@auda.org.au<mailto:ms@auda.org.au>><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au>>>>>> Datum: 4. Mai 2018 um 00:48:00 MESZ> An: leonard obonyo via Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5> <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt 5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>>><mailto:> gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org><mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5@icann.org>>>>> > Betreff: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] Conference call: city names>> Hello everyone>> This thread has brought out some really interesting ideas. I may have a> simpler solution because what we are really talking about, in many cases, is> backward looking difficult history from which we need to move on. We should> not be satisfied with a 2007 policy and a 2012 implementation if it> continues to “allow” bad policy to chase “poor” implementation.>> I may have a solution though because what we are essentially talking about> also is how a interested stakeholder can express “objection” to something.> I would like to see the end of the “non-objection” process all together, for> reasons explained in other posts. However, “objecting to an application" is> still a legitimate course of action for someone to take if they don’t want> something to happen. Here are t he steps.>> 1. If you support something, say so. This is really up to an applicant to> do the footwork to demonstrate in an application that this has taken place.> We can then think on implementation elements of what that could look like.>> 2. If you don’t object to something, allow it to happen. If you change> your mind, you must do it within agreed strict time parameters see point 3.> (Non-Objection letters will be a thing of the past).>> 3. If you do object, make an appropriately framed objection whoever you> are. Within that objection process, refer to international law, domestic> law, ISO standards and so on that are relevant to the applicant & the> application. This takes out the endless discussion here about what should> be referred to which causes such trouble.>> The applicant takes responsibility for ensuring that they submit an> application which addresses those poi nts and avoids an objection (all> applicants are highly motivated to avoid objections). An objector must use> those standards; pay for making the objection and submit it within> appropriate time frames. Evaluators then take those objections into account> in evaluation. An objector (whoever they are) must accept that their> objection may be discarded by evaluators.>> Then we can close off the endless circular differences between jurisdictions> and we focus on the real work that takes place for an applicant in an> application process.>> I look forward to hearing more from colleagues because this could apply to> a) any application and b) geographic terms in particular. Our policy> recommendation then comes around to open process, objective criteria,> assumption of compliance with law, competition and innovation. The points> above are then implementation guidelines that improve an AGB.>> Liz> >> ….> Dr Liz Williams | International Affairs> .au Domain Administration Ltd> M: +61 436 020 595 | +44 7824 877757> E:> liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au>><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au>>><mailto:liz.william<mailto:liz.william><mailto:liz.william<mailto:liz.william>>> s@auda.org.au<mailto:s@auda.org.au><mailto:s@auda.org.au<mailto:s@auda.org.au>><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au>>>><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org>>> .au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<ma ilto:liz.williams@auda.org.au><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au>>><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au>><mailto:> liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au><mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au<mailto:liz.williams@auda.org.au>>>>>> www.auda.org.au<http://www.auda.org.au><http://www.auda.org.au><http://www.auda.org.au><http://www.auda.org.au><http://www.a>; uda.org.au<http://uda.org.au><http://uda.org.au>>>>; Important Notice> This email may contain information which is confidential and/or subject to> legal privilege, and is intended for the use of the named addressee only. If> you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose or copy any> part of this email. If you have received this email by mistake, ple ase> notify the sender and delete this message immediately.>> On 4 May 2018, at 4:50 am, Mike Rodenbaugh> <mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>><> mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>>>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>><mailto:mike@rodenbau<mailto:mike@rodenbau><mailto:mike@rodenbau<mailto:mike@rodenbau>>> gh.com<http://gh.com><http://gh.com>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mik e@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>>>>>> wrote:>> Maybe Staff can help compile any such laws and cases related to domains? We> should deal with concrete examples, as I have given re 4 TLD applications> from the last round.>> Mike Rodenbaugh> RODENBAUGH LAW> tel/fax: +1.415.738.8087> http://rodenbaugh.com<http://rodenbaugh.com/>>>; On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 10:32 AM,> <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>><mailto:Jorg<mailto:Jorg><mailto:Jorg<mai lto:Jorg>>> e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>>><mailto:Jorge.Ca<mailto:Jorge.Ca><mailto:Jorge.Ca<mailto:Jorge.Ca>>> ncio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@>>> bakom.admin.ch<http://bakom.admin.ch><http://bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Can cio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>>>>> wrote:> Dear Mike> There are similar laws in other countries. For Switzerland you can look it> up online quite easily (in various languages). There is case-law but I guess> the court decisions will be in German and French.> Besides, limits to register solely city names and other geographic terms as> such as trademarks or business names are also common...> On the other hand, as said before, rights on brands are limited to specific> categories of products and services...> In the end, as said, you have different interests converging on a single> string, where in our opinion the public interest is paramount.> Best> Jorge>>>> ________________________________>> Von: Mike Rodenbaugh> <mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@ro denbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>><> mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>>>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>><mailto:mike@rodenbau<mailto:mike@rodenbau><mailto:mike@rodenbau<mailto:mike@rodenbau>>> gh.com<http://gh.com><http://gh.com>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>>>>>>>; Datum: 3. Mai 2018 um 19:26:08 MESZ> An: Cancio Jorge BAKOM> <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>><mailto:Jorg<mailto:Jorg><mailto:Jorg<mailto:Jorg>>> e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>>><mailto:Jorge.Ca<mailto:Jorge.Ca><mailto:Jorge.Ca<mailto:Jorge.Ca>>> ncio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge. Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@>>> bakom.admin.ch<http://bakom.admin.ch><http://bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>>>>>>; Cc: Gregory S. 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I guess there might be one in France too, but I haven't dug> into the particulars of the French legal proceedings re> France.com<http://France.com>.>>; Mike Rodenbaugh> RODENBAUGH LAW> tel/fax: +1.415.738.8087> http://rodenbaugh.com<http://rodenbaugh.com/>>>; On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 10:19 AM,> <Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>><mailto:Jorg<mailto:Jorg><mailto:Jorg<mailto:Jorg>>> e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch& gt;<mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:e.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>>><mailto:Jorge.Ca<mailto:Jorge.Ca><mailto:Jorge.Ca<mailto:Jorge.Ca>>> ncio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:ncio@bakom.admin.ch>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@>>> bakom.admin.ch<http://bakom.admin.ch><http://bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>>>>< ;mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bak<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bak><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bak<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bak>>> om.admin.ch<http://om.admin.ch><http://om.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.ad<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.ad><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.ad<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.ad>>>; min.ch<http://min.ch><http://min.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin>>.>; ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch& lt;mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>><ma> ilto:Jorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:ilto%3AJorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch><mailto:ilto%3AJorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch<mailto:ilto%253AJorge.Cancio@bakom.admin.ch>>>>>>> wrote:> Dear Mike> I mentioned some, eg in Switzerland cities have rights to protect their> names under the civil code (art. 29), and provisions prevent the> registration of business names and trademarks that solely consist of city> names.> best> Jorge>>>> ________________________________>> Von: Mike Rodenbaugh> <mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh .com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>><> mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>>>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>><mailto:mike@rodenbau<mailto:mike@rodenbau><mailto:mike@rodenbau<mailto:mike@rodenbau>>> gh.com<http://gh.com><http://gh.com>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>>>>><mailto:mike<mailto:mike><mailto:mike<mailto:mike>>>; @rodenbaugh.com<http: //rodenbaugh.com><http://rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>><mailt>; o:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:o%3Amike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:o%3Amike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:o%253Amike@rodenbaugh.com>>>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.co<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.co><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.co<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.co>>> m><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com>><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com><mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com<mailto:mike@rodenbaug h.com>>>>>>>> Datum: 3. 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