CURRENCY CODES: WAS RE: Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 12 August 2019 at 15:00 UTC
Thanks Christopher. Wouldn’t the offering of financial and foreign exchange services be regulated by law in the unlikely circumstance that one were offering these services as part of their TLD. Using .top as an example, have we seen these issues? And with .mad, .mop, etc., why wouldn’t the requirement to abide by applicable law cover the concerns? Reserving strings should always be the exception and not the rule in terms of handling issues. Especially when balancing against human rights, freedom of speech, etc. Geographic names has been one of the outliers of this rule given concerns expressed by the governments and as an issue of national sovereignty. In the US (and I can only speak for the US), we have the notion of narrowly tailoring any restrictions to the least amount of regulation necessary to address concerns. For example, there are concerns of causing panic in large public spaces. Rather than stating, for example, that no one can speak in a movie theater, we prohibit only that type of speech that could cause harm or disorderly conduct (namely, the yelling of fire when there is none). With trademark law, we don’t ban all use of words matching trademarks in any fashion, just terms used in commerce that are likely to cause confusion with a trademark, etc….. So, assuming this is in fact an issue, wouldn’t there be less restrictive means to address this issue than having a reservation those strings? NOTE: I am not making a judgement one way or the other, but just trying to stimulate conversation. ALL – Please weigh in on whether you think this is an issue, whether it needs to be addressed, and if so, how? Discussion on this topic will be tomorrow (Thursday) during our weekly call along with all other reserved names (OTHER THAN GEONAMES) Jeffrey J. 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From: lists@christopherwilkinson.eu <lists@christopherwilkinson.eu> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 3:05 PM To: Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> Cc: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>; gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 12 August 2019 at 15:00 UTC Dear Jeff: Thankyou. Noted. I look forward to the discussion of those Reserved Names (there are others). Meanwhile, may I say that I do not see this as a question of ‘confusion’ as you have described it. Rather we are dealing with the risks to the global financial systems that could arise from independent platforms based on a portfolio of ISO4217 alpha 3 codes as TLDs offering financial and foreign exchange services outside the remit of existing official structures, snd policies. I gather recently (actually, today) that we are not alone in addressing these kinds of issues: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3414401&download=yes However, the opportunity of such developments is for others to determine. All I am proposing is to protect ICANN’s reputation and independence from any regulatory issues arising from otherwise unauthorised use of ISO4217 codes as TLDs as platforms for financial and foreign exchange services. Accordingly, I propose that the ISO4217 codes be reserved and protected in the same way as the ISO3166 alpha3 codes. Policies for the eventual release of those codes as TLDs could be developed in consultation with the interested parties which - by and large - are still outside the ICANN community and the GNSO. Best regards toy all CW On 12 Aug 2019, at 15:21, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> wrote: Thanks Christopher. I understand the scope of how foreign exchange rates and transactions are in the world. I guess what I was really asking was about the scope of the problem and what issues are being caused now that would necessitate the reservation of those codes (or protection of those codes) at the top level. So, for example, “CUP” is the 3-letter code for the Cuban Peso, “MOP” for the Macao Pataca, “MAD” for the Moroccan Durham, “NPR” for the Nepalese Rupee (also in US is known by most people at the National Public Radio, “RUB” for the Russian Ruble, and “TOP” for the Tonga Pa’anga (NOTE: This is already a TLD). In the last example, has there been any noted cases of confusion of harm attributable to the match of the TLD and the currency code. So when we get to the topic of reserved names in the full working group, this subject can be brought up, and the group can understand the scope of the problem and the necessity (if any) to protect those 3-letter codes. Thanks. Jeffrey J. 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From: lists@christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu> <lists@christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu>> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 8:17 AM To: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>; Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> Cc: gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org>; CW <mail@christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:mail@christopherwilkinson.eu>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 12 August 2019 at 15:00 UTC Dear Jeff : During our most recent conference call, you asked me to quantify the scope of the Foreign edchange Transactions and the businesses supported by protected geographical indications. As I said at the time, I do not have the time or resources to conduct a thorough study, but a few minutes’ Goodle Search gives rise to confirmation of the importance of these economic activities. 1. Foreign exchange transactions (ISO 4217 currency codes.) « According to the Bank for International Settlements, the preliminary global results from the 2016 Triennial Central Bank Survey of Foreign Exchange and OTC Derivatives Markets Activity show that trading in foreign exchange markets averaged $5.09 trillion per day in April 2016. » https://www.statista.com/statistics/247328/activity-per-trading-day-on-the-g... As I understand these FOREX markets, (a) a significant proportion of these transactions are automatic outcomes of small shifts in the exchange rates and (b) the transactions involve the electronic identification of the buying and selling parties and currencies. Subject to confirmation or contradiction I believe that the ISO 4217 alpha3 codes are widely used for that purpose. This is why I have argued in WT5 and in the PDP that these currency codes should be reserved by ICANN until there is a clear agreement with the international Central Banks (e.g. through IMF or BSI) as to whether these codes could be delegated and to which entities, not excluding themselves. 1. Geographical Indications (GIs) The IPR rights in GIs are well established in many jurisdictions. Their economic significance is considerable in the regions most concerned. At short notice, I only have an EU source to quantify their economic importance. From an 2011 EU Court of Auditors report (There are others): https://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_ECA-11-41_en.htm “The geographical indications (GI) scheme aims to protect product names which are registered as Protected Designation of Origin or Protected Geographical Indication, whose overall wholesale value is estimated at € 15 billion (per year-cw). The scheme also provides a potential economic opportunity for farmers and producers of food and can have a positive impact on the rural economies of the EU’s regions, as well as offer an impetus for safeguarding local culture and tradition and provide consumers with the opportunity to be more aware of the origin of the products they consume.” Granted that fifteen billion per year is less than five trillion per day. But I nevertheless consider that since the GIs are protected by applicable local law, ICANN should reserve all such names in the agreed languages. and regulate eventual delegation to authorised Registries. I trust that this preliminary response to your question is helpful Regards Christopher Wilkinson On 9 Aug 2019, at 14:33, Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>> wrote: ________________________________ The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient. 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On 14 Aug 2019, at 16:16, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com <mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> wrote:
Reserving strings should always be the exception and not the rule in terms of handling issues.
In my experience, that is an unrealistic idea, If and when Geo-TLDs are delegated, there will be.a massive demand for reservation of SLDs for relevant locations. Whether this is handled by reservation or by sunrise, remains to be discussed. CW
As massive as in the first round? Experience should show that most of the existing GeoTLDs did not show such massive demand, and I expect the next round to go no differently. I agree with Jeff that reservation lists should be very restrictive. Instead of trying to prevent any bad thing that might happen, we need processes that help resolving the few instances where something does happen. Best, volker Am 14.08.2019 um 16:26 schrieb lists@christopherwilkinson.eu:
On 14 Aug 2019, at 16:16, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com <mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> wrote:
>Reserving strings should always be the exception and not the rule in terms of handling issues.
In my experience, that is an unrealistic idea,
If and when Geo-TLDs are delegated, there will be.a massive demand for reservation of SLDs for relevant locations. Whether this is handled by reservation or by sunrise, remains to be discussed.
CW
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I agree with Volker: "Instead of trying to prevent any bad thing that might happen, we need processes that help resolving the few instances where something does happen." From: Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Volker Greimann Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 7:33 AM To: gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] CURRENCY CODES: WAS RE: Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 12 August 2019 at 15:00 UTC As massive as in the first round? Experience should show that most of the existing GeoTLDs did not show such massive demand, and I expect the next round to go no differently. I agree with Jeff that reservation lists should be very restrictive. Instead of trying to prevent any bad thing that might happen, we need processes that help resolving the few instances where something does happen. Best, volker Am 14.08.2019 um 16:26 schrieb lists@christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu>: On 14 Aug 2019, at 16:16, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> wrote:
Reserving strings should always be the exception and not the rule in terms of handling issues.
In my experience, that is an unrealistic idea, If and when Geo-TLDs are delegated, there will be.a massive demand for reservation of SLDs for relevant locations. Whether this is handled by reservation or by sunrise, remains to be discussed. CW _______________________________________________ Gnso-newgtld-wg mailing list Gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. -- Volker A. Greimann General Counsel and Policy Manager KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH T: +49 6894 9396901 M: +49 6894 9396851 F: +49 6894 9396851 W: www.key-systems.net<http://www.key-systems.net> Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835 CEO: Alexander Siffrin Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358.
Christopher, Just to clarify, the proposal you have made is for the top level not SLD level, correct? The topic "Reserved Names" covers both subjects. I just want to make sure I fully understand your proposal. Jeffrey J. Neuman Senior Vice President Com Laude | Valideus 1751 Pinnacle Drive , Suite 600 Mclean , VA 22102 UNITED STATES T: +1.703.635.7514 M: +1.202.549.5079 CONFIRMATION OF ORDERS: Please note that we always confirm receipt of orders. To assist us in identifying orders, please use the word ORDER in the subject line of your email. If you have sent us an order and have not received confirmation on the same working day (PST) it is possible that your order has not been received or has been trapped by our spam filter. In this case, please contact your client manager or admin@comlaude.com for confirmation that the order has been received and is being processed. Thank you. From: lists@christopherwilkinson.eu <lists@christopherwilkinson.eu> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 10:27 AM To: Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> Cc: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>; gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: CURRENCY CODES: WAS RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 12 August 2019 at 15:00 UTC On 14 Aug 2019, at 16:16, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> wrote:
Reserving strings should always be the exception and not the rule in terms of handling issues.
In my experience, that is an unrealistic idea, If and when Geo-TLDs are delegated, there will be.a massive demand for reservation of SLDs for relevant locations. Whether this is handled by reservation or by sunrise, remains to be discussed. CW ________________________________ The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient. They may not be disclosed, used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. If you have received this message in error, please return it to the sender (deleting the body of the email and attachments in your reply) and immediately and permanently delete it. Please note that the Com Laude Group does not accept any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan or otherwise check this email and any attachments. The Com Laude Group does not accept liability for statements which are clearly the sender's own and not made on behalf of the group or one of its member entities. The Com Laude Group includes Nom-IQ Limited t/a Com Laude, a company registered in England and Wales with company number 5047655 and registered office at 28-30 Little Russell Street, London, WC1A 2HN England; Valideus Limited, a company registered in England and Wales with company number 06181291 and registered office at 28-30 Little Russell Street, London, WC1A 2HN England; Demys Limited, a company registered in Scotland with company number SC197176, having its registered office at 33 Melville Street, Edinburgh, Lothian, EH3 7JF Scotland; Consonum, Inc. dba Com Laude USA and Valideus USA, headquartered at 1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600, McLean, VA 22102, USA; Com Laude (Japan) Corporation, a company registered in Japan having its registered office at Suite 319,1-3-21 Shinkawa, Chuo-ku, Tokyo, 104-0033, Japan. For further information see www.comlaude.com<https://comlaude.com>
Dear Jeff: 1. My PROPOSAL is limited to Top Level domains. This is because (a) I initiated the proposal in WT5 which is limited to geo-TLDs, and (b) by analogy with ISO 3166 alpha3 codes, ISO 4217 codes are all derived from ISO 3166 alpha2 codes. They should both be protected at least on a par with each other. (The currency codes are of greater economic significance than the three letter country codes.) 2. Currency codes as SLDs? Sooner or later the question will arise, by analogy with the alpha2 country codes as SLDs, and the acronyms of the international organisations. For there is also scope for confusion and misrepresentation. But that is not part of my proposal at the Top Level. 3. The topic ‘Reserved Names’ is a black box as far as I am concerned. Last time I looked, it was in fact about strings that are ‘Unavailable’ for technical reasons. (e.g. IANA etc) There is an error in the vocabulary that was pointed out during our last call. Best regards Christopher PS: I shall not be able to join the call on Monday evening for a family visit here.
On 14 Aug 2019, at 21:18, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com <mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> wrote:
Christopher,
Just to clarify, the proposal you have made is for the top level not SLD level, correct? The topic “Reserved Names” covers both subjects. I just want to make sure I fully understand your proposal.
Jeffrey J. Neuman Senior Vice President Com Laude | Valideus 1751 Pinnacle Drive , Suite 600 Mclean , VA 22102 UNITED STATES
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From: lists@christopherwilkinson.eu <mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu> <lists@christopherwilkinson.eu <mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu>> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 10:27 AM To: Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com <mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> Cc: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org <mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>; gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: CURRENCY CODES: WAS RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 12 August 2019 at 15:00 UTC
On 14 Aug 2019, at 16:16, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com <mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> wrote:
Reserving strings should always be the exception and not the rule in terms of handling issues.
In my experience, that is an unrealistic idea,
If and when Geo-TLDs are delegated, there will be.a massive demand for reservation of SLDs for relevant locations. Whether this is handled by reservation or by sunrise, remains to be discussed.
CW
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I agree with Volker and with proposition stated by Jeff. Greg On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:05 AM lists@christopherwilkinson.eu < lists@christopherwilkinson.eu> wrote:
Dear Jeff:
1. My PROPOSAL is limited to Top Level domains. This is because (a) I initiated the proposal in WT5 which is limited to geo-TLDs, and (b) by analogy with ISO 3166 alpha3 codes, ISO 4217 codes are all derived from ISO 3166 alpha2 codes. They should both be protected at least on a par with each other. (The currency codes are of greater economic significance than the three letter country codes.)
2. Currency codes as SLDs? Sooner or later the question will arise, by analogy with the alpha2 country codes as SLDs, and the acronyms of the international organisations. For there is also scope for confusion and misrepresentation. But that is not part of my proposal at the Top Level.
3. The topic ‘Reserved Names’ is a black box as far as I am concerned. Last time I looked, it was in fact about strings that are ‘Unavailable’ for technical reasons. (e.g. IANA etc) There is an error in the vocabulary that was pointed out during our last call.
Best regards
Christopher
PS: I shall not be able to join the call on Monday evening for a family visit here.
On 14 Aug 2019, at 21:18, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> wrote:
Christopher,
Just to clarify, the proposal you have made is for the top level not SLD level, correct? The topic “Reserved Names” covers both subjects. I just want to make sure I fully understand your proposal.
*Jeffrey J. Neuman* Senior Vice President
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On 14 Aug 2019, at 16:16, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com> wrote:
Reserving strings should always be the exception and not the rule in terms of handling issues.
In my experience, that is an unrealistic idea,
If and when Geo-TLDs are delegated, there will be.a massive demand for reservation of SLDs for relevant locations. Whether this is handled by reservation or by sunrise, remains to be discussed.
CW
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I believe that the Consumer Trust and Confidence Review Team report referred issues to Sub Pro related to a need to define “DNS abuse”. The question of whether top level domains as currency codes is appropriate or not depends on the potential for abuse. It’s highly likely that a top level currency code string would be the subject of GAC Advice regarding a need for “safeguards”. Eligibility would also be an issue since currency exchange is a regulated banking activity. Letting “the chips fall where they may” as to Currency Codes as Top Level Domains is not the correct policy-making approach when it comes to understanding the recommendations of CCT-RT that have been referred to Sub Pro. The specific recommendations sent to Sub Pro by the Board include Nos. 12, 25, 29, 32, 33, 34, and 35. In addition, in the “pending” category (including the need to develop a definition of “abuse”) are items 15, 19, and 23 on the ICANN Board scorecard referring issues to Sub Pro. Thank you, Anne From: Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org> On Behalf Of Greg Shatan Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 6:57 AM To: lists@christopherwilkinson.eu Cc: gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] CURRENCY CODES: WAS RE: Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 12 August 2019 at 15:00 UTC [EXTERNAL] ________________________________ I agree with Volker and with proposition stated by Jeff. Greg On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:05 AM lists@christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu> <lists@christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu>> wrote: Dear Jeff: 1. My PROPOSAL is limited to Top Level domains. This is because (a) I initiated the proposal in WT5 which is limited to geo-TLDs, and (b) by analogy with ISO 3166 alpha3 codes, ISO 4217 codes are all derived from ISO 3166 alpha2 codes. They should both be protected at least on a par with each other. (The currency codes are of greater economic significance than the three letter country codes.) 2. Currency codes as SLDs? Sooner or later the question will arise, by analogy with the alpha2 country codes as SLDs, and the acronyms of the international organisations. For there is also scope for confusion and misrepresentation. But that is not part of my proposal at the Top Level. 3. The topic ‘Reserved Names’ is a black box as far as I am concerned. Last time I looked, it was in fact about strings that are ‘Unavailable’ for technical reasons. (e.g. IANA etc) There is an error in the vocabulary that was pointed out during our last call. Best regards Christopher PS: I shall not be able to join the call on Monday evening for a family visit here. On 14 Aug 2019, at 21:18, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> wrote: Christopher, Just to clarify, the proposal you have made is for the top level not SLD level, correct? The topic “Reserved Names” covers both subjects. I just want to make sure I fully understand your proposal. Jeffrey J. Neuman Senior Vice President Com Laude | Valideus 1751 Pinnacle Drive , Suite 600<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1751+Pinnacle+Drive+,+Suite+600+Mclean+,+...> Mclean , VA 22102<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1751+Pinnacle+Drive+,+Suite+600+Mclean+,+...> UNITED STATES<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1751+Pinnacle+Drive+,+Suite+600+Mclean+,+...> T: +1.703.635.7514 M: +1.202.549.5079 CONFIRMATION OF ORDERS: Please note that we always confirm receipt of orders. To assist us in identifying orders, please use the word ORDER in the subject line of your email. If you have sent us an order and have not received confirmation on the same working day (PST) it is possible that your order has not been received or has been trapped by our spam filter. In this case, please contact your client manager or admin@comlaude.com<mailto:admin@comlaude.com> for confirmation that the order has been received and is being processed. Thank you. From: lists@christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu> <lists@christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu>> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 10:27 AM To: Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> Cc: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>; gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: CURRENCY CODES: WAS RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 12 August 2019 at 15:00 UTC On 14 Aug 2019, at 16:16, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> wrote:
Reserving strings should always be the exception and not the rule in terms of handling issues.
In my experience, that is an unrealistic idea, If and when Geo-TLDs are delegated, there will be.a massive demand for reservation of SLDs for relevant locations. Whether this is handled by reservation or by sunrise, remains to be discussed. CW ________________________________ The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient. They may not be disclosed, used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. If you have received this message in error, please return it to the sender (deleting the body of the email and attachments in your reply) and immediately and permanently delete it. Please note that the Com Laude Group does not accept any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan or otherwise check this email and any attachments. The Com Laude Group does not accept liability for statements which are clearly the sender's own and not made on behalf of the group or one of its member entities. The Com Laude Group includes Nom-IQ Limited t/a Com Laude, a company registered in England and Wales with company number 5047655 and registered office at 28-30 Little Russell Street, London, WC1A 2HN England<https://www.google.com/maps/search/28-30+Little+Russell+Street,+London,+WC1A...>; Valideus Limited, a company registered in England and Wales with company number 06181291 and registered office at 28-30 Little Russell Street, London, WC1A 2HN England<https://www.google.com/maps/search/28-30+Little+Russell+Street,+London,+WC1A...>; Demys Limited, a company registered in Scotland with company number SC197176, having its registered office at 33 Melville Street, Edinburgh<https://www.google.com/maps/search/33+Melville+Street,+Edinburgh?entry=gmail...>, Lothian, EH3 7JF Scotland; Consonum, Inc. dba Com Laude USA and Valideus USA, headquartered at 1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600, McLean, VA 22102, USA<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1751+Pinnacle+Drive,+Suite+600,+McLean,+V...>; Com Laude (Japan) Corporation, a company registered in Japan having its registered office at Suite 319,1-3-21 Shinkawa, Chuo-ku, Tokyo, 104-0033, Japan. For further information see www.comlaude.com<https://comlaude.com/> _______________________________________________ Gnso-newgtld-wg mailing list Gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. ________________________________ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If the reader of this message or an attachment is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message or attachment to the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender. The information transmitted in this message and any attachments may be privileged, is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the intended recipients, and is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §2510-2521.
P.S. The ICANN Board scorecard where you can find the specific referral of CCT-RT Recommendations to Sub Pro is here: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/resolutions-final-cct-recs-score... Anne From: Aikman-Scalese, Anne Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 9:30 AM To: 'Greg Shatan' <gregshatanipc@gmail.com>; lists@christopherwilkinson.eu Cc: gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org Subject: RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] CURRENCY CODES: WAS RE: Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 12 August 2019 at 15:00 UTC I believe that the Consumer Trust and Confidence Review Team report referred issues to Sub Pro related to a need to define “DNS abuse”. The question of whether top level domains as currency codes is appropriate or not depends on the potential for abuse. It’s highly likely that a top level currency code string would be the subject of GAC Advice regarding a need for “safeguards”. Eligibility would also be an issue since currency exchange is a regulated banking activity. Letting “the chips fall where they may” as to Currency Codes as Top Level Domains is not the correct policy-making approach when it comes to understanding the recommendations of CCT-RT that have been referred to Sub Pro. The specific recommendations sent to Sub Pro by the Board include Nos. 12, 25, 29, 32, 33, 34, and 35. In addition, in the “pending” category (including the need to develop a definition of “abuse”) are items 15, 19, and 23 on the ICANN Board scorecard referring issues to Sub Pro. Thank you, Anne From: Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces@icann.org>> On Behalf Of Greg Shatan Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 6:57 AM To: lists@christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu> Cc: gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] CURRENCY CODES: WAS RE: Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 12 August 2019 at 15:00 UTC [EXTERNAL] ________________________________ I agree with Volker and with proposition stated by Jeff. Greg On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 9:05 AM lists@christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu> <lists@christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu>> wrote: Dear Jeff: 1. My PROPOSAL is limited to Top Level domains. This is because (a) I initiated the proposal in WT5 which is limited to geo-TLDs, and (b) by analogy with ISO 3166 alpha3 codes, ISO 4217 codes are all derived from ISO 3166 alpha2 codes. They should both be protected at least on a par with each other. (The currency codes are of greater economic significance than the three letter country codes.) 2. Currency codes as SLDs? Sooner or later the question will arise, by analogy with the alpha2 country codes as SLDs, and the acronyms of the international organisations. For there is also scope for confusion and misrepresentation. But that is not part of my proposal at the Top Level. 3. The topic ‘Reserved Names’ is a black box as far as I am concerned. Last time I looked, it was in fact about strings that are ‘Unavailable’ for technical reasons. (e.g. IANA etc) There is an error in the vocabulary that was pointed out during our last call. Best regards Christopher PS: I shall not be able to join the call on Monday evening for a family visit here. On 14 Aug 2019, at 21:18, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> wrote: Christopher, Just to clarify, the proposal you have made is for the top level not SLD level, correct? The topic “Reserved Names” covers both subjects. I just want to make sure I fully understand your proposal. Jeffrey J. Neuman Senior Vice President Com Laude | Valideus 1751 Pinnacle Drive , Suite 600<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1751+Pinnacle+Drive+,+Suite+600+Mclean+,+...> Mclean , VA 22102<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1751+Pinnacle+Drive+,+Suite+600+Mclean+,+...> UNITED STATES<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1751+Pinnacle+Drive+,+Suite+600+Mclean+,+...> T: +1.703.635.7514 M: +1.202.549.5079 CONFIRMATION OF ORDERS: Please note that we always confirm receipt of orders. To assist us in identifying orders, please use the word ORDER in the subject line of your email. If you have sent us an order and have not received confirmation on the same working day (PST) it is possible that your order has not been received or has been trapped by our spam filter. In this case, please contact your client manager or admin@comlaude.com<mailto:admin@comlaude.com> for confirmation that the order has been received and is being processed. Thank you. From: lists@christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu> <lists@christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu>> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 10:27 AM To: Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> Cc: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org<mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org>>; gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org> Subject: Re: CURRENCY CODES: WAS RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 12 August 2019 at 15:00 UTC On 14 Aug 2019, at 16:16, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman@comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com>> wrote:
Reserving strings should always be the exception and not the rule in terms of handling issues.
In my experience, that is an unrealistic idea, If and when Geo-TLDs are delegated, there will be.a massive demand for reservation of SLDs for relevant locations. Whether this is handled by reservation or by sunrise, remains to be discussed. CW ________________________________ The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient. They may not be disclosed, used by or copied in any way by anyone other than the intended recipient. If you have received this message in error, please return it to the sender (deleting the body of the email and attachments in your reply) and immediately and permanently delete it. Please note that the Com Laude Group does not accept any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan or otherwise check this email and any attachments. The Com Laude Group does not accept liability for statements which are clearly the sender's own and not made on behalf of the group or one of its member entities. The Com Laude Group includes Nom-IQ Limited t/a Com Laude, a company registered in England and Wales with company number 5047655 and registered office at 28-30 Little Russell Street, London, WC1A 2HN England<https://www.google.com/maps/search/28-30+Little+Russell+Street,+London,+WC1A...>; Valideus Limited, a company registered in England and Wales with company number 06181291 and registered office at 28-30 Little Russell Street, London, WC1A 2HN England<https://www.google.com/maps/search/28-30+Little+Russell+Street,+London,+WC1A...>; Demys Limited, a company registered in Scotland with company number SC197176, having its registered office at 33 Melville Street, Edinburgh<https://www.google.com/maps/search/33+Melville+Street,+Edinburgh?entry=gmail...>, Lothian, EH3 7JF Scotland; Consonum, Inc. dba Com Laude USA and Valideus USA, headquartered at 1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600, McLean, VA 22102, USA<https://www.google.com/maps/search/1751+Pinnacle+Drive,+Suite+600,+McLean,+V...>; Com Laude (Japan) Corporation, a company registered in Japan having its registered office at Suite 319,1-3-21 Shinkawa, Chuo-ku, Tokyo, 104-0033, Japan. For further information see www.comlaude.com<https://comlaude.com/> _______________________________________________ Gnso-newgtld-wg mailing list Gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-newgtld-wg _______________________________________________ By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. ________________________________ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If the reader of this message or an attachment is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering the message or attachment to the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender. The information transmitted in this message and any attachments may be privileged, is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the intended recipients, and is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §2510-2521.
Jeff: I agree with Anne. When shall the PDP start discussing the CCT-RT Recommendations? CW
On 19 Aug 2019, at 19:19, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <AAikman@lrrc.com <mailto:AAikman@lrrc.com>> wrote:
P.S. The ICANN Board scorecard where you can find the specific referral of CCT-RT Recommendations to Sub Pro is here:
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/resolutions-final-cct-recs-score... <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/resolutions-final-cct-recs-score...>
Anne
From: Aikman-Scalese, Anne Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 9:30 AM To: 'Greg Shatan' <gregshatanipc@gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com>>; lists@christopherwilkinson.eu <mailto:lists@christopherwilkinson.eu> Cc: gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg@icann.org> Subject: RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] CURRENCY CODES: WAS RE: Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 12 August 2019 at 15:00 UTC
I believe that the Consumer Trust and Confidence Review Team report referred issues to Sub Pro related to a need to define “DNS abuse”. The question of whether top level domains as currency codes is appropriate or not depends on the potential for abuse. It’s highly likely that a top level currency code string would be the subject of GAC Advice regarding a need for “safeguards”. Eligibility would also be an issue since currency exchange is a regulated banking activity.
Letting “the chips fall where they may” as to Currency Codes as Top Level Domains is not the correct policy-making approach when it comes to understanding the recommendations of CCT-RT that have been referred to Sub Pro. The specific recommendations sent to Sub Pro by the Board include Nos. 12, 25, 29, 32, 33, 34, and 35. In addition, in the “pending” category (including the need to develop a definition of “abuse”) are items 15, 19, and 23 on the ICANN Board scorecard referring issues to Sub Pro.
Thank you, Anne
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