Dear All, Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call held on Monday, 18 July 2016 at 22:00 UTC. Attendance of the calls is also posted on the agenda wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/NAKbAw MP3: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-18jul16-en.mp3 <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-18jul16-en.mp3> <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-16may16-en.mp3> <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-09may16-en.mp3http://au...> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/NAKbAw Thank you. Kind regards, Michelle DeSmyter ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday, 18 July 2016 Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures WG held on Monday, 18 July 2016 at 22:00 UTC Rubens Kuhl:Good <time of day> everyone! Greg Shatan:x = evening Guillemaut Frederic SafeBrands:Good evening Carlos:Hello Freida Tallon (.Sky):Good Evening All Paul McGrady:Howdee! Robin Gross:Good afternoon from foggy San Francisco! Vanda Scartezini:hi all Carlos:Thanks jeff, ther eis a LACRALO call in one hour and will have to move Vanda Scartezini:me too already informed and apologized Carlos:@Vanda +1 :) Paul McGrady:+1 Jeff. Agree with that approach. Rubens Kuhl:Fine by me. Vanda Scartezini:ok Justine Chew:Yes, agreed Martin Sutton:me too Samantha Demetriou:+1 Klaus Stoll:Fine Robin Gross:I agree also. Paul McGrady:Hi Cheryl! Phil Buckingham:good evening Steve Coates:Sorry for running late. Rubens Kuhl:Guilty of signing-up for all 4. Carlos:Zika is well represented then.... Sara Bockey:I'm I the only one that has lost audio? Paul McGrady:@Jeff, it will be important that the meeting times don't overlap Rubens Kuhl:Sara, audio is OK here. Carlos:uxio ok Carlos:audio ok Robin Gross:a - ok Christa Taylor:yes we can hear you Vanda Scartezini:i have sent to Julie today my preference Rodolfo Mesa:Audio Ok Steve Chan:https://community.icann.org/x/FT2AAw Steve Chan:https://community.icann.org/x/7AObAw Carlton Samuels:Howdy all Carlton Samuels:Apologies for late joinging Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Finally i the AC room... No more 'judt verbl' interventions from me now Jeff ;-) Steve Chan:Example for Work Track Scheduling: Week 1 - WT 1, 2; Week 2 - WT 3, 4, Full Group; Week 3 - WT 1, 2; Week 4 - WT 3, 4, Full Group Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):makes sence Steve Susan Payne:My mike isn't working. I will type Susan Payne:but carry on Richard Padilla:Hi all Carlton Samuels:For the record, Carlton Samuels is volunteering for Track 1 - Overall Process/Support/Outreach Issues Steve Coates:As an FYI, I have stepped down from the BC due to my employment change that will go into effect next month. Susan Payne:It was justb a point on the new item for WT3 - PICDRP/RRDRP. I think they may be more suitable to WT2. WT3 seems to be top level issues, whereas compliance and other issues at 2nd level have been allocated to WT2 Rubens Kuhl:Agree with Susan regarding PICDRP/RRDRP. Carlton Samuels:I Will Observe on Track 3. Steve Chan:FYI, responses for outreach are being tracked here: https://community.icann.org/x/2R6OAw Karen Day (SAS):Also agree with Susan re: PICDRP & RRDRP Steve Chan:And for CC1: https://community.icann.org/x/3B6OAw Cecilia Smith:I have sent a follow-up to the BC and will provide an update. Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):The GAC is aiming to finalise its response to CC1 by the deadline next week, or close to it. Vanda Scartezini:may be one week Samantha Demetriou:The Registries could probably use an additional week Steve Chan:@Susan, Rubens, Karen - I can move to track 2 Susan Payne:Thanks Steve Robin Gross:I suspect NCSG could use the extra time. Greg Shatan:Please sir, may I have some more (time)? Greg Shatan:Thank you, sire! Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):Having great expectations. Greg Shatan:(IPC = poor downtrodden urchins) Robin Gross:Better than "Les Miserables" Avri Doria:and waht was the answer Oliver got when he asked for more? Jeff Neuman:You know I am a sucker for musical references Jeff Neuman:Avri - the response was utter amazement that he asked for more Richard Padilla:I will like to volunteer as an observer on track 4 Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):Of course Oliver was a literary character before he sang. Just like Alexander Hamilton was a Treasury Secretary before he was a musical. Carlos:would be nice to have the full doc as a pdf (and I´m not Dr. Liese by any way) Steve Chan:@Jeff, I tried to make that point as well :) Carlos::) Steve Coates:+1 Carlos:txs Steve Chan:@ Carlos, Steve Coates, sure thing Greg Shatan:What the Dickens, Jeff? Carlos:in the mailing list please Steve Ch. Steve Chan:@ Carlos, I will add to the WIki and share with the mailing list as well Carlos:@Steve Danke! Rubens Kuhl:I would just add that back-end accreditation allows for not only have a pre-defined set of approved back-ends, but also the possibility of choosing a back-end only at contract signing time, provide applicant agrees to only use accredited providers. Rubens Kuhl:So the reference to sets is defining an outcome yet to be chosen by the WG. Donna Austin, Neustar:so perhaps we should do that analysis Greg Shatan:"Please, sir, I want some more." The master was a fat, healthy man; but he turned very pale. He gazed in stupefied astonishment on the small rebel for some seconds, and then clung for support to the copper. The assistants were paralysed with wonder; the boys with fear. "What!" said the master at length, in a faint voice. "Please, sir," replied Oliver, "I want some more." The master aimed a blow at Oliver's head with the ladle; pinioned him in his arms; and shrieked aloud for the beadle. Donna Austin, Neustar:I feel it's implementation associated with some of the challenges associated with technical questions. Rubens Kuhl:The policy issue is whether one is required to show the technical capacity beforehand, at application time, or after. Donna Austin, Neustar:@Rubens, but there may be other possibilities to solve the problem. I don't see accreditation as the only answer. Rubens Kuhl:Donna, it doesn't need to be. Accreditation is just an option, but the same process can be used to have a greenfield operator start from zero. Heather Forrest:Picking up on @Rubens' point, would it encourage applicants (particularly in underserved areas/communities/interests) to apply if satisfying tech requirements was a separate step that came after the application submission? Donna Austin, Neustar:@Rubens, I think that's a good point, we're largely talking about greenfield operators. those that have passed necessary test and are in compliance with regsitry agreements probably don't need accreditation. Rubens Kuhl:If accreditation doesn't work, then registrars are already an issue for ICANN... Carlos:agree with heather Paul McGrady:+1 Heather. Agree that this is important for geo diversity. Carlos:sorry, Dr. H. Forrest Karen Day (SAS):As an applicant involved in a contention, it would have been preferable to pick a back end after the contention was resolved Paul McGrady:HRH Dr. H. Forrest... Martin Sutton:could simplify, reduce costs and create predictability Carlos:In which WGroup would this issues be dealt with? Carlos:@Paul :) Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Makes sense to me Heather Christa Taylor:Good idea and it makes a lot of sense Heather Forrest:I thought I killed it Susan Payne:I like that idea - would be a strong argument for an acreditation Vanda Scartezini:to me too. in del=veloping areas mostly are under back end aalready known services.. Carlos:<Question> which WS or WG would deal with this issue? Donna Austin, Neustar:Wouldn't ICANN need assurances that the applicant has technical capability before they approve and application? Heather Forrest:Seems like it would encourage some of the types of applicants that we struggled to get in 2012 Karen Day (SAS):I think I just lost audio... Karen Day (SAS):will dial back in Steve Chan:@Carlos, it's currently in Track 1 Robin Gross:I hear Christa Taylor:works here Vanda Scartezini:no problems here Carlos:@Steve leave it there Rubens Kuhl:Looks fine in both. Which is why I'm glad tracks 1 and 4 wont' have conflicting schedules... Karen Day (SAS):im back Donna Austin, Neustar:I would hope that there is no PDT if there is an accreditation process. Greg Shatan:Now the Sprint Guy. Rubens Kuhl:ICANN does a lot of work before signing the agreement, like background checking... adding the back-end at this point would be a very small addition to the sign-up process. Donna Austin, Neustar:@Karen, in that context it makes sense. Karen Day (SAS):@Greg - true Donna Austin, Neustar:@Jeff, if this is in work track 1, wouldn't the discussion happen in that work team? Paul McGrady:@Jeff, funny that we think it is the flip now! Steve Chan:@Jeff, I was just taking a note to dig around in ICANN Justine Chew:Donna +1 Donna Austin, Neustar:@Jeff, agree on the reasons for trying to do it this way, just trying to find a way to make it efficient. Rubens Kuhl:Accreditation is an implementation that can affect already established registries. Phil Marano (Mayer Brown):Regarding backend accreditation, it looks like certain technical Application Questions shared a nexus between the envisaged Registry Services and “business components of each proposed service.” In particular, Question 23 asked applicants to “describe whether any of [the customary services] are intended to be offered in a manner unique to the TLD” and advised that “additional proposed registry services that are unique to the registry must also be described.” It may be worthwhile to explore how that nexus could / should be addressed through a backend accreditation program. Perhaps accreditation would apply only to customary services, e.g. dissemination of zone files, registration data, IDNs and DNSSEC, and not any unique or unforseen services… Just flagging the issue for consideration. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):you men provide the Board with a pcjkage that inludes "some implementataion guidelines" Jeff?? Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):and Sorry my AC keeps dropping Vanda Scartezini:unhappily LACRALO is starting and I need to close this session and enter into LACRALO. apologize to all Greg Shatan:@CLO, it's not just men.... Rubens Kuhl:@Phil Marano: most of the services you described could be added via an RSEP process, so the what's not common ground can be added after contract signing thru RSEP without having it specified at application time. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):OK Jeff that is clear, ecause I to am concerned abut seeming to be puttng 'cart before horse' herre and overstepping our Charter Heather Forrest:@Phil - good points! This highlights Jeff's comment much earlier that we would have to have something in place of PDT to essentially sign off on the package of standard and non-standard services Rubens Kuhl:@Phil Marano: application time is needed when it might decided who gets a string, or when the applicant wants assurance some usage model would be approved. Phil Buckingham:@ Phil - yes agreed it is a question of which questions can be standardised Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Yes Alan +++ Avri Doria:We had thought about them and discussed them with staff. We just never wrote down what we beleived had been agreed to on implementation. Christa Taylor:Agreed on implementation vs recommendation Justine Chew:Agree with Alan's point. Carlos:Sorry Folks, have to move to a LACRALO call. Alan Greenberg:@avri, yes, we talked about some of them, and others were just omitted. Alan Greenberg:I have to leave now as well. Thanks for interesting call. Heather Forrest:Thanks Jeff, great call with very interesting discussion Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Bye for now then... talk again soon Paul McGrady:Thanks Jeff! Thanks Avri! Christa Taylor:Enjoy your vacation!! Sara Bockey 2:thanks all Rubens Kuhl:Bye all! Phil Marano (Mayer Brown):Thanks all! Alexander Schubert:bye Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):Thank you Christa Taylor:bye Guillemaut Frederic SafeBrands:bye Phil Buckingham:LOL Cecilia Smith:Thanks! Greg Shatan:Bye all! Richard Padilla:Bye all have a good vacation for those going on such later Freida Tallon (.Sky):Bye Bye All Susan Payne:thanks all Phil Buckingham:thanks .