Dear All, Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call held on Monday, 24 July 2017 at 15:00 UTC. 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Kind regards, Michelle ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday, 24 July 2017 Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures WG call Monday, 24 July 2017 at 15:00 UTC Michelle DeSmyter:Meeting agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_S... Kavouss Arasteh:Dear HOST Kavouss Arasteh: I was connected for few mints but now disconnected VANDA SCARTEZINI:HI EVERYONE.! .. Kavouss Arasteh:May you advise to reconnect me again Kavouss Arasteh:TKS Michelle DeSmyter:Hi Kavouss - I will have the operator redial you Kavouss Arasteh:Tks with apology in bothring Hadia Elminiawi:I can't hear a thing, has anyone started speaking Jeff Neuman:We will start in 3 minutes Jeff Neuman:2 minutes Jeff Neuman:1 minute Hadia Elminiawi:ok great thanks Dietmar Lenden - Valideus Ltd:Yes Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All Katrin Ohlmer | DOTZON:Hi ALl Jeff Neuman:Just waiting for recording to start Annebeth Lange:Hi all! Rubens Kuhl:Recording is still paused. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):info about CWG UCTN - is it relevant? Michelle DeSmyter:thank you Jeff :) Annebeth Lange:Dear all,As you will recall the final paper was subbmitted to the ccNSO and GNSO Councils for deliberation and decision-making prior to ICANN 59.At its meeting on 20 July, last Thursday, the ccNSO Council discussed the recommendations in the final paper and adopted the reoslutions (included below).The resolutions will become effective 7 days after publicationon the ccNSO website,Kind regards,Bart Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Ok, I will talk when time comes Emily Barabas:WT1 is meeting tomorrow, Tuesday, at 20:00 UTC VANDA SCARTEZINI:RELEVANT POINT KAVOUSS DIFFICULT TO AVOID Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I am not sure GNSO can influence GAC, due to quite different level of power in the latter Karen Day:Correct: WT3 August 1 @ 15:00 Kavouss Arasteh:I never said or terefferd to what you talking about Maxim Rubens Kuhl:Wt4 VANDA SCARTEZINI:@kavouss , my suggestion is focus on the rationale behind any complain, may be set some minimum poitn that shall be covered in any complain... just frist thoughts Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Kavouss, Thanks for the clarification. Kavouss Arasteh:Secretariat, pls replaced *ferred" by "referred" as it was misspelled bye Annebeth Lange:I have update frrom CWG UCTN when we come to agenda point 3. As I wrote in the chat, the final paper is now adopted by the ccNSO council. However, there might be of interest to report a little more on the resolutions Rubens Kuhl:RSSAC Rubens Kuhl:RSSAC, SSAC and OCTO Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Jeff, please transfer my number in the queue to Annabeth (a CWG UCTN co-Chair) Rubens Kuhl:Office of the CTO, exactly Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):about the update on progress in CWG UCTN Kavouss Arasteh:Jeff, pls clarify that 1000 per year issue as I am not sure well explained whether that 1000 appliation is stems from one or how many sources/applicants and where that nomber comes from? Rubens Kuhl:Kavouss, that number was made up by ICANN Org during an IETF meeting as unimaginably large number. Rubens Kuhl:Since then, that number has been used as a parameter. Kavouss Arasteh:1000? VANDA SCARTEZINI:i remember 1000/year will be safe Katrin Ohlmer | DOTZON:Fact is, we do not have any reliable source about potential demand. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):if we need some historical Kavouss Arasteh:1000 application on what? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):ifo - we might try to reach someone who was in ICANN Office by then Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):but I am not sure it will be anything usefull Kavouss Arasteh:pls kindly clarify the limit of 1000? is it the total numbers of application that could be made from all applicants? Rubens Kuhl:1000 new gTLD delegations. Emily Barabas:ICANN59 F2F session transcripts: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_B49Q&d=DwICaQ&c... Rubens Kuhl:So it's the total number of strings that would be added in a year to the root zone. Kavouss Arasteh:delegation or application? Rubens Kuhl:Delegation Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):delegations per year Rubens Kuhl:Since more than one party can apply to the same string, a delegation results from one to many applications. Kavouss Arasteh:That means, irrespective of number of application ,ICANN could only be able to delegate 1000 of those application? Steve Chan:Link to the full group face-to-face, which includes the transcript: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_B49Q&d=DwICaQ&c... Rubens Kuhl:ICANN could delegate much more, but committed to not go beyond 1000/year since everybody else said 1000/year to be safe. Rubens Kuhl:Not that they were asked how much would be safe, but were asked if 1000/year would be safe, and all said yes. Kavouss Arasteh:What is the justification for that limit be the maximum? Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think it was just guess , without much of justification Rubens Kuhl:There is none. This number was posed as an incredibly high optimistic view of the number of applied-for strings. Steve Chan:Cross community geographic names sesssions, session 1: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_B3pX&d=DwICaQ&c... and session 2: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sched.co_B3pD&d=DwICaQ&c... Rubens Kuhl:At that time, the expectation was to 500 applications, so it would be less strings than that... Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):some details could be found in https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__archives.republicans.ene... reference 41 Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):it has letter from RSSAC (2010) and 2010 Root zone scaling reports references Anne Aikman-Scalese:sorry -did not hear the topic for Work Track 5 - what is it called? Geo names at Top Level? Kavouss Arasteh:Suppose 3000 application came in and 2500 of them successfully examined and terminate the process but ICANN should not delegate more than 1000 of that why? h0w that 1000 are selected among the e 2500 which successfully applied the provcess in the example that I gave Rubens Kuhl:The only hard limit from that time, which is probably invalid nowadays but was once valid, was the 100,000 total TLD delegation limit. Annebeth Lange:Anne, yes Karen Day:I have to drop now. good day all. Annebeth Lange:Yes Rubens Kuhl:Kavouss, if that happened, 1000 would be delegated one year, 1000 the next year, 500 the last year. Rubens Kuhl:The sequence would be up for implementation. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Do we know how WS5 is going to interact with ccNSO? (on matters of GEO names on top level) Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):as far as I know, last few yeas it was GAC and ccNSO separate efforts, mostly not synced Steve Chan:The ccNSO's resolutions were in regards to the Final Paper of the CWG on the Use of Country and Territory Names, available here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ccnso.icann.org_working... Robin Gross:Will the WT5 be limited to only "geographic" words or will other types of words like cultural, religious, and sensitive words try to fall under the "geographic" concept in WT5? Kavouss Arasteh:Jeff Pls allow me to take follow up comments on the first question Kavouss Arasteh:Robin, Geographic " word should be limited to "Geographic" Annebeth Lange:Kavouss, I think the plan is to have a co-chair from AC/SOs - and as many participants as possible to share their competence Greg Shatan:The "one from each" applies only to leadership of WT5, not to participation. VANDA SCARTEZINI:@ Annebeth yes, there is no limit to participation. Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):could we say - that co-chair seats are reserved for the representatives of the SO/AC? Rubens Kuhl:Except having an SOI, which is the only requirement for every GNSO PDP. Annebeth Lange:And of course,what we hope, is that as many as possible also from GAC, ALAC and ccNSO will participate VANDA SCARTEZINI:for sure Annebeth, I am the one that intend to participate as I am following this discussion since the beginning many years ago, though only now it really came out as really relevant.. Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):indeed including some of us not just from the previous efforts though some of us will of course be there... Annebeth Lange:@ Vanda, that makes two of us. I have lived wtth Country & Territory names since our time together! VANDA SCARTEZINI:@annebeth , lets not remember so many years.... Emily Barabas:It will appear here, but it looks like it has not yet been posted: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ccnso.icann.org_about_c... Kavouss Arasteh:What is Cross Community Consultation Group?? Steve Chan:@Jeff, that's a link to the Final Report. Steve Chan:The resolutions are NOT posted yet, but will be available here when they are posted: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ccnso.icann.org_about_c... Annebeth Lange:Kavouss: the ccNSO Council - The council of the ccTLD SO Kavouss Arasteh:who and how and by who that group was created? Heather Forrest:Correct, Jeff. For reference, next GNSO Council meeting is late August. Rubens Kuhl:I have to drop at this time. Annebeth Lange:Kavouss: Se ccnso.icann.org Rubens Kuhl:Bye... Annebeth Lange:Sorry, I have to leave. Is there any more questions for me? Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bye Annabeth Emily Barabas:@Annebeth -- if any additional questions are raised for you, staff will relay them Emily Barabas:thanks for joining Annebeth Lange:Great, Emily. Bye, all, I will now continue my holidayl ;-) Emily Barabas:and speaking to the resolution Hadia Elminiawi:bye annabeth Kavouss Arasteh:There should be no priority for one agaist other VANDA SCARTEZINI:have a nice holiday Annebeth! Gg Levine (NABP):How do you define a gap? Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):it would be a desirable thing to explore I guess but I haven't thought deeply on that Jeff Anne Aikman-Scalese:i had the same question as Jamie Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Have to run for another meeting. I'll be on vaction from July 30-August 14 so give my apologies in advance for all WG and WT calls I'll miss. Phil Buckingham:good points, Anne . A global accountancy firm (s) can scale up based on cost per financial evaluation Trang Nguyen:The application volume topic has a broad impact, certainly on ICANN org, but also on the community. For example, the GAC Early Warning process, the application comment period (which allows the broad community to review applications and provide comments), the objection process. Katrin Ohlmer | DOTZON:Why don't we use the application volume from the last round as a test for the different models? Anne Aikman-Scalese:sorry - came off mute by accident. thanks to staff for warning me VANDA SCARTEZINI:yes, my first thoughts would be to reduce number of applications per year. lets say 300 maximum per year . depends on resources, cost + persons ... Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think that it might be better to use best month's volume (most probably will be over 1000 per year) Steve Chan:@Jeff, time check Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all Martin Sutton:I have to drop off the call. Thanks all. Anne Aikman-Scalese:I think it makes sense to look at how many applications we were able to process in each calendar year since 2012 Steve Chan:Don't believe so VANDA SCARTEZINI:thanks to all! Katrin Ohlmer | DOTZON:Thanks all. Hadia Elminiawi:Thank you all Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bye for now then... Robin Gross:Thanks, Jeff and all. Bye! Hadia Elminiawi:bye Anne Aikman-Scalese:Thanks jeff et al