Dear All, Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call held on Thursday, 08 September 2016 at 3:00 UTC. Attendance of the calls is also posted on the agenda wiki page: MP3: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-08sep16-en.mp3 <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-08sep16-en.mp3> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#nov> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-newgtld-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/ohWsAw Thank you. Kind regards, Michelle ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Thursday, 08 September 2016 Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group, Thursday, 08 September 2016 at 3:00 UTC Michelle DeSmyter:Wiki Member page: https://community.icann.org/x/Ogp1Aw Michelle DeSmyter:Agenda page: https://community.icann.org/x/ohWsAw Kavouss Arasteh:Hi every body Jeff Neuman:hello Kavouss. Thanks for being on so early in your day Kavouss Arasteh:PLS KINDLY ADVISE TO DIAL ME UP Kavouss Arasteh:Hello jeff Kavouss Arasteh:Pls advise for dial up Michelle DeSmyter:Hi there Kavouss - the operator should be dialing you in the next minute or so Jeff Neuman:Can we put a link up to the cc1 document on the right side of the screen Emily Barabas:Yes, one moment. Emily Barabas:we will also bring it up the AC room. Jeff Neuman:2 minute warning :) Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Jeff I am still waiting for my dial out so only in the AC Room ATM but I will be audio enabled at some stage I assume ;-) Philip Corwin:Greetings colleagues Kavouss Arasteh:Dear Chair Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Hi Philip Kavouss Arasteh:pls put the document disussing on the screen Philip Corwin:Hello Cheryl. Hope all is smashing ;-) Jeff Neuman:All - Just waitng for operator to start the recording :) Kavouss Arasteh:It is a very inconvenient widdow Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):All just fine here in AU thanks Phil Philip Corwin:There's no way I can read anything in that window...larger font please Kavouss Arasteh:can you make tjhe doc. more bigger Avri Doria:you shaould have also received the PDF in the email on the list. Steve Chan:It's also available as a link on the right-hand side: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=59645660&preview=/5... Emily Barabas:Everyone should be able to zoom on this document using the plus and minus signs at the bottom of window Emily Barabas:And scroll up and down, left and right as needed Kavouss Arasteh:TOO FAST SPEAKING Sara Bockey:Sorry Kavouss! I was trying to speak slowly. I'll do better next time. Michael Flemming:I need to call in Alan Greenberg:That link seems to open with the wiki viewer. One that goes directly to the PDF is https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/59645660/CC1%20Review%20Too... Emily Barabas:Thanks Alan, I will correct in the agenda, as well Michael Flemming:Hi Julie, its two "m"s in the last name, thanks Michael Flemming:For the sake of the Notes Michael Flemming:I am called in Kavouss Arasteh:Why the provided document is so much congested in font Julie Hedlund:@Micheal -- Got it! Julie Hedlund:Sorry Michael! Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):It is of course an *excellent* time slot for Asia Pac Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we normally get to attend ICANN Calls between 0100 and 0500 local times Justine Chew:This time slot is under exceptional circumstances, no? Justine Chew:Yes, CLO, this is an EXCELLENT time slot for Asia Pac. :-) Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):we can of course find other times suitable for APAC and less pauinful for other Rwgions *but* I do need to note APAC usually gets to have the 'bad end ofd the stick Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):bad end of the stick it should read Kavouss Arasteh:you are very very kind and your actions are highly appreciated Kiran Malancharuvil:Taking a middle of the night call every once in a while is a necessary evil with ICANN. Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):@CLO There is an Australian expression "Rough end of the pineapple" Kavouss Arasteh:Pls kindly do not chategorize European attendees UNFLEXIBLE Michael Flemming:I did not use such words, but thank you. Emily Barabas:The original versions of all comments are available on the wiki: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=59645660 Donna Austin, Neustar:Of course this only becomes more difficult in a few weeks time with daylight saving changes. Jian Zhang_KNET:@Emily the two 800 tele numbers do NOT work Jeff Neuman:Thanks for the reminder Donna :) Jian Zhang_KNET:only the 400 numbers work... I mean China numbers Kavouss Arasteh:Let us review the matter to make it more convinent ,if possible Kavouss Arasteh:Be positive Emily Barabas:We will work on making the document more readable for those who would like to print Kurt Pritz:@ Tom Dale: which end is the rough end? they both seem unpleasant Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):@kurt Pritz, I just report the idiom, I cannot speak from experience. Emily Barabas:Jian -- were you able to dial in or are you still having trouble? Jeff Neuman:Welcome Back Steve! Emily Barabas:Welcome back Steve! Emily Barabas:We missed you! Donna Austin, Neustar:Welcome back Steve Steve Chan:THANK YOU EMILY AND JULIE!! Jeff Neuman:+1 Avri - Emily and Julie did great to help us over the weeks Julie Hedlund:@Avri -- Special thanks to Emily! Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Well said Avri ++++ Sara Bockey:Yes, thank you Emily and Julie! Wecome back Steve Kavouss Arasteh:Avri, Kavouss Arasteh:Pls advise whether the doc, you are referring is on the screen Steve Chan:@Kavouss, yes, we are on line 1c.R1 Kavouss Arasteh:is that O.R1? Steve Chan:1c, top of page 3 Emily Barabas:For those who prefer to view this document in excel, it is now on the wiki here: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=59645660 Donna Austin, Neustar:I think the GAC has made some suggestions, we could potentially build on that. Julie Hedlund:@Avri -- Tom Dale has his hand up Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):Diversity is also an issue for CCWG-ACC WS2 Donna Austin, Neustar:I think the IPC comments were addressing consumer trust Jeff Neuman:Diversity in registrants is but one form of diversity. But diversity in usage by consumers is another. Michael Flemming:Dotbrand even in itself is not just a one way usage, the use of the TLD itself has a very diverse ecosystem. Paul McGrady:Diversity needs to be defined in a way that includes new uses other than just more sales of second levels. Jeff Neuman:@Paul - Agree. Emily, can we reflect that in the notes Michael Flemming:+1 Emily Barabas:Yes, we will make sure it is captured Julie Hedlund:@Jeff: I am taking the notes and will include it. Greg Shatan:I support Paul's comment. Paul McGrady:+1 Kristina. Kavouss Arasteh:It would good if we have a non exhaustive list of diversity Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):+1 to Avri (streamlining application process could increase diversity) Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Indeed Jian Jeff Neuman:Good point Jian.... Michael Flemming:Should we look at diversity froma Community standpoint, as well? Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Definitely, Jian. Lottery (priority number) preference to IDN applications demonstrated that, I think. Jeff Neuman:I think we should collectively offer a definition of diversity in the full group and then farm out certain portions that relate to the Work Tracks Kavouss Arasteh:Did you decide to have list of diversity so far discussed Michael Flemming:Agreed, diversity will extend across all of the individual Work Tracks. Jeff Neuman:@Kavuouss - I believe that we should offer our own list of diversity factors (and should make that an action item) Jian Zhang_KNET:@Jeff agree! Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Yup Jeff Neuman:Kavuouss said it better than I did :) Donna Austin, Neustar:I think I'd just say that I think it largely supports what Kavouss said. Jeff Neuman:I agrree that the comments that were submitted were pretty clear. Greg Shatan:you read it well, Avri. Paul McGrady:Well writtem + late at night for many = a quiet crowd. Michael Flemming:Yes Jeff Neuman:yes Donna Austin, Neustar:Kavouss asks a good question. 1229 registry agreements have been executed to date. Kavouss Arasteh:wE BADLY HERAING YOU AS THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL LEVEL OF hum Julie Hedlund:@Kavouss: Staff are trying to capture the summary in the chat. Kavouss Arasteh:Thank for clarication Grec and Jeff Paul McGrady:@Donna, perhaps but contracts aren't the same thing as use. Perhaps .brands would be further along if we didn't have to spend months and months just getting recognized as distinct category via Spec. 13. Donna Austin, Neustar:@Paul, agreed but it is one measure of where we are in the process. Michael Flemming:So we have to highly consider "benefits" in the relative aspect of how categorized TLDs use them. Looking at the application process and where we are at in that to start measuring benefit cannot be done equally across the spectrum. Paul McGrady:@Jeff, how about concrete issues such as if we end up with the scale of applications some have mentioned (10,000?), which will create new pressures on Staff. Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Not to put words in the IPC's mouth, but were they referring to reasonably foreseeable? Jeff Neuman:@kristina - Probably....but just trying to make sure Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Would be helpful to get that clarification. Paul? Greg? Greg Shatan:We should also identify corner cases that weren't anticipated but did occur. Jeff Neuman:We should highlight all cases we did not anticipate that actually happened...agree Paul McGrady:e.g. "Surpise! No closed generics after all." Jeff Neuman:Paul - IMO that was reasonably forseeable :) Paul McGrady:surprise Paul McGrady:Exactly. Jeff Neuman:But spending 1.5 years debating what we would do if someone applied for .murder, .terrorism or .nazi was a little overkill :) Kavouss Arasteh:if the session is continued , I am disconnected Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):I have a vague recollection of the Fast Track ccTLD IDN process not being so fast. Am I remembering correctly? Jeff Neuman:Pun definately NOT intended Greg Shatan:Oy. Paul McGrady:It wasn't foreseeable that ICANN would do a 180 on it, but all of the chaos caused by gaps/late opportunities to adjust the Guidebook after application window closed should have foreseable and locked down before publication. Let's not make the same mistake. Jian Zhang_KNET:The fast track cctld IDN was supposed to move faster... Donna Austin, Neustar:@Kristina, the non-policy process was fast, but perhaps the take-up was not so fast. Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Apologies if I've missed it, but will we circle back once we get ALAC and NCSG input? Jian Zhang_KNET:That's a lesson we should learn Emily Barabas:Monday 19 September 19 at 15:00 UTC Avri Doria:we will circle back in any case and will fold in any new comments at that time. at least that is the way i see it. Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Thanks, Avri. Sara Bockey:Thank you all! Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Good Call thanks everyone Talk again soon (probabkly in a WT session ... Bye for now then... Paul McGrady:Thanks Avri Great call! Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):Thanks. Michael Flemming:thx Greg Shatan:tx & bye!