Kiran,

I see your point about burnout from an extra day. We also probably will lose people because they can't afford additional travel expenses.

However, the last two ICANN meetings, particularly SIN, showed that we already lose important contributors to conflicts for our sessions during the ICANN week. Client and employer demands, and general "I'm up to my ears in this stuff already and can catch up later" attitudes often trump the WG. In addition, based on experience, announcing closed meetings during the week (assuming we continue with that F2F model) invite the aggravation of having to explain why.

I'm not a fan of an extra day. However, I think it's the only way to get the critical mass and focus that makes the F2F worthwhile.

Don

On 3/3/2015 5:40 PM, Kiran Malancharuvil wrote:

I understand the benefits, but frankly  it’s not possible.  If the group is okay with eliminating voices and viewpoints, especially in a time where we are attempting to increase participation, diversity (gender, geographic, socioeconomic, etc.) and be more welcome to newcomers, that’s fine, but be aware of the consequences. 

 

From: Phil Corwin [mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:34 PM
To: Kiran Malancharuvil; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org
Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?

 

Kiran:

 

I understand where you are coming from.

 

But, the one big virtue of an all-day F2F meeting is that the participants can stick with a subject and resolve it rather than stop short due to artificial  time constraints. In Singapore, despite the collective fatigue, we made far more progress in the time we engaged than we would have in any series of meetings adding up to the same time expenditure.

 

Besides, I can’t imagine, given the diversity of WG participants and their interests/responsibilities, that we can find  any time slots for shorter meetings during the full ICANN meeting that wouldn’t present irreconcilable conflicts for a substantial portion of participants.

 

Best, Philip

 

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From: Kiran Malancharuvil [mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:26 PM
To: Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org
Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?

 

Hi Guys,

 

I am staunchly opposed to adding more days to the ICANN schedule.  Many of us have family and work obligations that make the existing schedule almost impossible.  Adding days onto the already burdensome schedule will create a problem where we risk eliminating important voices and viewpoints because participation becomes problematic. 

 

Can we brainstorm a solution where we have more frequent shorter meetings throughout the week? 

 

Thanks,

Kiran

 

From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 3:17 PM
To: Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Face to face?

 

I would urge looking at the 19^th rather than the 26^th.

 

I am one of the few people who participated in both the LA F2F of this WG and the Singapore F2F of the IGO WG.

While the meetings were not directly comparable in terms of travel distance (for me), overall meeting workload intensity, and personal responsibility (I Co-Chair the IGO WG), it is still my overall opinion that, if a F2F meeting is appropriate for PPSAI in June, it will be much better to hold it on the Friday before the ICANN meeting starts in terms of focus and productivity.. Participants may be jetlagged but they are still fresh. By the time the Friday after the meeting arrives many participants are spent physically and especially psychologically.

 

Take that for what it’s worth.

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