On Jul 22, 2015, at 1:15 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
<michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Does anyone have a link to their submission?
I know they were drafting one, but I donąt recall seeing it
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On 22/07/2015 04:59, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org on behalf
of
Kiran Malancharuvil" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org on behalf
of
Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com> wrote:
Barry,
Thanks for your comments. I think you would be interested in the past
interventions of Dick Leaning, who was the LE representative on this
group until his retirement from Europol on July 1st of this year, and
in the public safety working group comment drafted by Bobby Flaim
from
the FBI and Loreen Kapin from the FTC (with Dick's input). They have
statedon multiple occasions that getting a warrant isn't a 15 minute
thing. I'll let them speak for themselves but suffice to say that
they
prefer a system that doesn't require a warrant.
Anyway, I just wanted to point out that they've given their
recommendations formally.
Happy lurking!
Kiran
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On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:12 PM, Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com> wrote:
I apologize for posting at all since I'm not much involved but I'm
sort of surprised at the level of speculation about law enforcement.
As an ISP I've been in the middle of this sort of thing.
In a nutshell there are large and huge and tiny LEAs and they're all
quite different in their response.
I've dealt with the FBI who can turn out a proper warrant in about
15
minutes and college campus police (colleges you've heard of) who
could
be incredibly unprofessional -- one threatened, and I mean angrily
threatened, that if I didn't produce the credentials immediately (I
stood my ground for a warrant, it was basically cyberstalking) they
would "show up at my office". I said they were welcome, I'd make the
coffee, and got in touch with the university's general counsel. I
could post that interchange but as you can imagine they were
horribly
embarrassed.
Why not get someone from an LEA or two involved even informally
rather
than speculate?
So much of this is in the name of law enforcement yet my impression
is
that law enforcement per se hasn't been engaged.
A DA wouldn't hurt either since they have to build the cases and
wield
the prosecutorial discretion which is really what you're ultimately
trying to support.
Sorry, I'll go back to lurking.
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