Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 10 June 2014 at 14:00 UTC at: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140610-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140610-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#june> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#june The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Steve Metalitz - IPC Justin Macy – BC James Bladel – RrSG Laura Jedeed – BC Sarah Wyld - RrSG Michele Neylon – RrSG Chris Pelling – RrSG Jennifer Standiford – RrSG Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP Don Moody – IPC Darcy Southwell - RrSG Graeme Bunton – RrSG Don Blumenthal – RySG Phil Marano – IPC Jim Bikoff – IPC Susan Prosser- RrSG Kristina Rosette – IPC Val Sherman – IPC Tim Ruiz – RrSG David Heasley – IPC Griffin Barnett – IPC Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG Libby Baney – BC Paul McGrady – IPC Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC Roy Balleste – NCUC Susan Kawguchi – BC Carlton Samuels-ALAC Volker Greimann - RrSG Apologies: Kathy Kleiman – NCUC Christian Dawson – ISPCP Holly Raiche – ALAC Alex Deacon - IPC ICANN staff: Mary Wong Marika Konings Amy Bivins Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 10 June 2014: Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 10 June 2014 Chris Pelling:afternoon all, just listening to the blues on the system Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all Graeme Bunton:Good morning all Libby Baney:Good morning everyone Val Sherman:Good morning Michele Neylon:AFK - BRB Tim Ruiz:Hello, just joined. Jennifer Standiford:Hello Terri Agnew:Jennifer Standiford has joined Terri Agnew:Jim Bikoff has joined Terri Agnew:Darcy Southwell has joined Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined Kristina Rosette:Good morning! Terri Agnew:Kristina I have added you to attendance list Graeme Bunton:onwards and upwards Mary Wong:The list of principles the EWG recommends for accredited P/P services is on pp. 100-101 of the EWG Final Report. Chris Pelling:prompt shuld not be a defind period Carlton:Howdy to all Graeme Bunton:Agreeing with steve re: designated, dedicated would be burdensome to many Michele Neylon:sorry - office network is b0rked Darcy Southwell:Agree with Steve and Graeme that it should be designated (not dedicated). Val Sherman:+1 @steve steve metalitz:+1 on "capable and authorized" as per James Mary Wong:The Compliance and LEA feedback is what you're seeing now on screen in AC. Terri Agnew:Carlton has joined Graeme Bunton:spam volume has increased more than 10x into our monitored emails Terri Agnew:Kiran Malancharuvil has joined steve metalitz:I believe question D.4 gets directly to the types of abuse complaints to be acted upon. Bladel:Borked? Is that a technical term? Graeme Bunton:That's a sign. For sure, Michele Don Blumenthal:Apparently. From Michele earlier - sorry - office network is b0rked Michele Neylon:not sure what happened - something went pop steve metalitz:Move on to D3 Carlton:So the consensus is for "designated" contact? Graeme Bunton:That was my understanding, Carlton Michele Neylon:Carlton - I think so Carlton:Great. That is the sensible choice Carlton:Re Q3, Is there a common understanding of what 'full WHOIS contact details" mean? Michele Neylon:No idea Michele Neylon:I don't even know what that means Mary Wong:The Whois RT recs for P/P services reads in part: "Clearly labeling WHOIS entries to indicate that registrations have been made by a privacy or proxy service;ô°€ Providing full WHOIS contact details for the privacy/proxy service provider, which are contactable and responsive; ... " Jennifer Standiford:'full WHOIS' is not a defined term in the 2013 RAA Carlton:I'm presuming the qualifier 'full' was intentional. Aaah.... Mary Wong:Per James' comment, Section 2.1 of th Temporary P/P Spec in the 2013 RAA reads: "P/P Provider shall publish the terms and conditions of its service (including pricing), on its website and/or Registrar's website." Mary Wong:And in 2.3: "P/P Provider shall publish its business contact information on its website and/or Registrar's website.." Carlton:@Michele: +1. I would think this is the real requirement, for the website as a absolute requirement foraccreditation Jennifer Standiford:All registrars are very familiar with the PP spec in the RAA. Bladel:Interesting. Jennifer Standiford:there is no men tioning of the term "full whois" Tim Ruiz:Perhaps to be accredited you are required to use a gTLD. Michele Neylon:Tim - why? Bladel:Why the heck isn't everybody doing that. :) Michele Neylon:Carlton - yup Tim Ruiz:Seriously, I think what Mary posted regarding 2.3 covers this. Can't we just adopt that? Jennifer Standiford:I concur Tim Tim Ruiz:@Michele, I guess I will have to be clearer when I am kidding. Sorry. Tim Ruiz:+1 Michele. Volker Greimann:the user going to whois is a rare case though Kiran Malancharuvil:@Volker - not in the case of consumer protection organizations. As discussed before, we are on Whois all day, every day Volker Greimann:Right, but you are not the typical user. you are a service provider Kiran Malancharuvil:we represent consumers, who are users Volker Greimann:I thought you represented brand owners? Kiran Malancharuvil:"consumer" protection Chris Pelling:I thought the same Volker Bladel:THat's not exactly what Steve is saying, I think. Tim Ruiz:Registrars also represent consumer protection, IMHO. Kiran Malancharuvil:Great, and getting back to the point, we all use Whois, as consumer protectors Kiran Malancharuvil:No one said otherwise Tim Michele Neylon:we can't change whois for cctlds Tim Ruiz:Not responding to anyone, was just making a statement. Michele Neylon:I don't have an issue with ICANN listing accredited companies Graeme Bunton:Agreed with James Carlton:Contact details that resultin contactability 24/7 is an absolute requirement for accreditation Bladel:How could something like that be accredited? Bladel:Accredited entities should -want- to be found, IMO. Tim Ruiz:What about IANA IDs in some way. A new list of IDs for Accredited P/P services with a list of names and associated website addresses. Then use that ID somewhere in the P/P services' clients Whois. Bladel:Some background noise on the call. Microphone? Graeme Bunton:It's difficult to build a privacy or proxy business when you're really hard to find. Michele Neylon:Unless that's your plan .. Chris Pelling:is someone trying to strangle their phone ? Chris Pelling:gettings some serious noise Tim Ruiz:Wow, a lot of noise on the call. Sounds like my joints on a rainy day. Osvaldo Novoa:The noise is quite disturbing Tim Ruiz:Noise is gone now. Tim Ruiz:It's back, must be on Don's line? Chris Pelling:its back Michele Neylon:Don is generating it? Kiran Malancharuvil:It's on your line Don. It only happens when you speak. Chris Pelling:its quite now Jennifer Standiford:i hear the noise Chris Pelling:yes it notmally is Chris Pelling:statue like :p Kristina Rosette:It's the sound that one's phone makes when one is trying to balance the phone on one's shoulder and do something else with one's hands. Volker Greimann:It sounds a bit like you are kneading the mike Carlton:LOL Jennifer Standiford:sounds like the phone cord rubbing up against something Val Sherman:much better! Volker Greimann:sorry Michele Neylon:Jennifer - apparently he's using a headset .. Kristina Rosette:A template for reports to abuse contact? Has the potential to by very helpful, IMHO. Would make reports less burdensome all around. Although I think you'd still need a space for free form text. Kiran Malancharuvil:Agreed Kristina, that would be very helpful! Michele Neylon:Kristina / Kiran - free form is fine Michele Neylon:BUT putting the "meat" at the top is key Kiran Malancharuvil:Well maybe a tiny bit of guided form with free form after? Paul McGrady:I like the idea of standardization. Kristina Rosette:What about the "template" of the information that needs to be in a DMCA takedown notice? Carlton:Starnardisation is always preferred...so long as it enforces the datainfo that must be collected Volker Greimann:+1 for Michele's comment Susan Prosser:I agree standardization would be very beneficial to all. Chris Pelling:DMCA would be to the hosting co, rather than the PP service Michele Neylon:maybe wait to see what Don can get back? Volker Greimann:Also always fun and helpful: "Your customer is spamming me, stop him now!!!" Michele Neylon:I know ther's been work on it Kristina Rosette:@Chris: I know, but the DMCA sets out the information that's required. (I was thinking of it as a starting point.) Tim Ruiz:Thanks Don, bye all. Bladel:Thank you, Don. Kristina Rosette:Bye. Volker Greimann:thank you all Osvaldo Novoa:bye Carlton:Thankd Don. Thanks all Darcy Southwell:Thank you. Susan Prosser:thanks Don Michele Neylon:ciao Chris Pelling:Bye all :)