Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 25 February 2014 at 15:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140225-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#feb The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Luc Seufer - RrSG Volker Greimann - RrSG Graeme Bunton - RrSG Tim Ruiz - RrSG Sarah Wyld - RrSG David Heasley - IPC James Bladel - RrSG Steve Metalitz - IPC Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP Kathy Kleiman - RySGgr Justin Macy - BC Darcy Southwell - RrSG Alex Deacon - IPC Todd Williams - IPC Don Moody - IPC Don Blumenthal - RySG Libby Baney - BC Phil Marano - IPC Jim Bikoff - IPC Tatiana Khramstova - RrSG Griffin Barnett - IPC Roy Balleste - NCUC Tobias Sattler - RrSG Holly Raiche - ALAC Paul McGrady - IPC Amr Elsadr - NCUC Kristina Rosette - IPC Statton Hammock - RySG Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC David Cake - NCSG Valeriya Sherman - IPC Apologies: Susan Prosser - RrSG Maria Farrell - NCUC Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC Mary Wong ICANN staff: Marika Konings Margie Milam Amy Bivins Mike Zupke Joe Catapano Glen de St Gery Terri Agnew Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Peregrine ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 25 February 2014: Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 25 February 2014 Tobias Sattler:Hi there Graeme Bunton:Good morning all Bladel:(Sinatra hold music) Don Blumenthal:James, would you prefer something else? Tim Ruiz:Loved the hold music! Tim Ruiz:Guess that shows my age :-) Nathalie Peregrine:Noted Nathalie Peregrine:Tatiana Khramtsova and Volker Greimann have joine dthe call Luc Seufer:ON top of being exiled to a cold city, they can't pay Mike a proper headset...ICANN you are cheap! Nathalie Peregrine:David Heasley and Kiran Malancharuvil have joined the audio bridge Luc Seufer: Phase VII (6 months) issuance of a Data Retention Specification waiver is missing. :-p Nathalie Peregrine:Phil Marano has joined the call Phil Marano:Apologies for the delay. A little snow in the DC metro area, and everything shuts down. Nathalie Peregrine:Stephanie Perrin has joined the AC room Volker Greimann:We should also include a maxcimum timeframe in which ICANN staff needs to either approve or deny an application (#lessonslearnedfromthewaiverprocess) Luc Seufer:@Volker agreed Nathalie Peregrine:Paul McGrady has joined the audio bridge Mike Zupke:As promised, here is the Statement of Registrar Accreditation Policy: http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/accreditation/policy-statement Don Blumenthal:Thank, Mike. Nathalie Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa has joined the AC room Osvaldo Novoa:Hi all, sorry I am late. Nathalie Peregrine:Amr Elsadr and David Cake have joined the call Libby Baney:I aree with Steve - it should be made known in the registration Amr Elsadr:@Steve: If the registrar doesn't control the format of the output, what would value would there be in the proxy/privacy service indicating it is one? Not sure, I understand how this would help? Kiran Malancharuvil:Agree with Libby and Steve. It should be made known. Amr Elsadr:Assuming that the proxy/privacy provider is accredited, wouldn't there be a list of known service providers anyway? steve metalitz:@Amr, registrar does control format of Whois output. Kathy Kleiman:@James, how would have work in terms of labeling? Luc Seufer:repurposing the registrant name field? Bladel:"Service Name, on behalf of Customer (some Customer ID)" Kathy Kleiman:is that a proxy or privacy service? Bladel:That would be a proxy steve metalitz:@Amr #2, no guarantee that Whois info wil match up with name of accredited service. Try this sometime with accredited registrars now. Kathy Kleiman:tx Nathalie Peregrine:Val Sherman has joined the call Luc Seufer:and for proxy? Luc Seufer:sorry privacy? Bladel:Privacy would have the PP Customer name as Registrant Amr Elsadr:@Steve #2: so matching up of whois info with accredited service would settle this, if it becomes an accreditation requirement, right? steve metalitz:@Amr, yes as in James' example. Kiran Malancharuvil:Agree with Kathy. The 2013 RAA requirements are appropriate for this purpose. Justin Macy:+1 to Steve Libby Baney:+1 wto Steve Libby Baney:(to) steve metalitz:Volker, can you provide a reference to the finding that underlying data of privacy service users is more accurate? Thanks Stephanie Perrin:I cannot see why we would insist on reverifying, if (as I suspect) the true criminals are going to fake their data at strategic points anyway...no point in continuing to verify the data. Amr Elsadr:@Volker: if you could dig up that study, it would be appreciated. Marika Konings:@Steve - some of the Whois Studies seemed to indicate that, but it also acknowledged that this is probably not independently verifiable Amr Elsadr:+1 to Volker and James. Graeme Bunton:Also agreeing with Volker and James steve metalitz:Sorry, as indicated, must drop off the call early. Look forward to furthr discussion on this point. Bladel:And when someone loses a name, it's always the bad guy registrar, and not ICANN. Volker Greimann:I think that is the one I had seen as well, thank you Kathy! Marika Konings:I'll have a look - Kathy, any idea what year that study took place? Darcy Southwell:Agree with Volker and James on this issue. Kathy Kleiman:@Marika, let's reach out together to Emily Taylor, chair of Whois REview Team, and General Counsel of Nominet (I think) when this study was conducted Kathy Kleiman:who is speaking now? Kathy Kleiman:I don't think we have proof that people are seeking anything more than privacy in a p/p service Paul McGrady:I have only recently joined the Adobe. I was on the phone before but because this wasn't on the agenda for today, I was not alerted that we needed to review these materials for today. Can we be sure to leave this issue open for next week? val sherman:what types of activities would trigger a reverification of customer data? Holly Raiche:+ Steve Kathy Kleiman:+1 Volker Kristina Rosette:Have to drop for another meeting. Agree with Paul w/r/t carryover to next week, please. Luc Seufer:What Volker said. Double verification/validation would serve no purpose Volker Greimann:same goes for different standards of verification. There is no reason that what is good for one is not good for the other Paul McGrady:Marika, Thank you! Bladel:AGree Tim Ruiz:Agree, and I will be dropping off shortly. Kathy Kleiman:Tx you, Don! Tim Ruiz:Thanks Don. Kiran Malancharuvil:thx! Justin Macy:Thanks! Statton_H (Rightside):Thanks Don Amr Elsadr:thanks. bye. Luc Seufer:bye