Dear WG members, The proposed agenda for the next WG meeting on 29 July is as follows: 1. Roll Call/Updates to SOI 2. Continue discussions on E-1 (updated template sent pm 23 July; attached here again with a minor typo corrected - for your review) 3. Commence discussions on E-2 (if time permits) 4. Next steps/next meeting We will add the updated template for E-1 to the WG wiki, in accordance with the usual practice, as well. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org
As the updated template reflects, there has been considerable discussion about what overall policy regarding relay should be expressed in accreditation standards, and how the use of spam and other filters should be reflected. Let me suggest the following formulation for consideration: " P/P service providers must forward all relay requests received at the e-mail address provided for the domain name in Whois (or via the webform to which requesters are directed, if this technique is used), subject to the use of commercially reasonable measures (including CAPTCHA on web forms) to filter out spam, abusive communications, and the like. In the case of manual relay systems, relay must take place within 24 hours." Looking forward to discussing this on our call tomorrow. Steve Metalitz From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:37 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July Dear WG members, The proposed agenda for the next WG meeting on 29 July is as follows: 1. Roll Call/Updates to SOI 2. Continue discussions on E-1 (updated template sent pm 23 July; attached here again - with a minor typo corrected - for your review) 3. Commence discussions on E-2 (if time permits) 4. Next steps/next meeting We will add the updated template for E-1 to the WG wiki, in accordance with the usual practice, as well. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>
Interesting, and useful. But I thought we talked also about certain categories of email P/P were required to forward (e.g., ICANN-required communication) and certain others that I (as a customer) might opt-out of subject to P/P options and policies (e.g., I don't want to receive domain name sales solicitations). Are there some more nuances that we might reflect? Best, Kathy:
As the updated template reflects, there has been considerable discussion about what overall policy regarding relay should be expressed in accreditation standards, and how the use of spam and other filters should be reflected. Let me suggest the following formulation for consideration:
" P/P service providers must forward all relay requests received at the e-mail address provided for the domain name in Whois (or via the webform to which requesters are directed, if this technique is used), subject to the use of commercially reasonable measures (including CAPTCHA on web forms) to filter out spam, abusive communications, and the like. In the case of manual relay systems, relay must take place within 24 hours."
Looking forward to discussing this on our call tomorrow.
Steve Metalitz
*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Mary Wong *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2014 10:37 AM *To:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org *Subject:* [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July
Dear WG members,
The proposed agenda for the next WG meeting on 29 July is as follows:
1. Roll Call/Updates to SOI 2. Continue discussions on E-1 (updated template sent pm 23 July; attached here again -- with a minor typo corrected - for your review) 3. Commence discussions on E-2 (if time permits) 4. Next steps/next meeting
We will add the updated template for E-1 to the WG wiki, in accordance with the usual practice, as well.
Thanks and cheers
Mary
Mary Wong
Senior Policy Director
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
Telephone: +1 603 574 4892
Email: mary.wong@icann.org <mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>
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Hi Steven, I also strongly object to the relay timeframe you are suggesting. There are such things as holidays and week-ends. I therefore propose the timeframe for manual relay should be no less than two business hours. Regarding the first part, I also have an issue with the "all relay requests". We for example also filter purchase inquiries and offers, which may not be spam in a strict sense. Volker
As the updated template reflects, there has been considerable discussion about what overall policy regarding relay should be expressed in accreditation standards, and how the use of spam and other filters should be reflected. Let me suggest the following formulation for consideration:
" P/P service providers must forward all relay requests received at the e-mail address provided for the domain name in Whois (or via the webform to which requesters are directed, if this technique is used), subject to the use of commercially reasonable measures (including CAPTCHA on web forms) to filter out spam, abusive communications, and the like. In the case of manual relay systems, relay must take place within 24 hours."
Looking forward to discussing this on our call tomorrow.
Steve Metalitz
*From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Mary Wong *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2014 10:37 AM *To:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org *Subject:* [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July
Dear WG members,
The proposed agenda for the next WG meeting on 29 July is as follows:
1. Roll Call/Updates to SOI 2. Continue discussions on E-1 (updated template sent pm 23 July; attached here again -- with a minor typo corrected - for your review) 3. Commence discussions on E-2 (if time permits) 4. Next steps/next meeting
We will add the updated template for E-1 to the WG wiki, in accordance with the usual practice, as well.
Thanks and cheers
Mary
Mary Wong
Senior Policy Director
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
Telephone: +1 603 574 4892
Email: mary.wong@icann.org <mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>
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-- Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Volker A. Greimann - Rechtsabteilung - Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann@key-systems.net Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook: www.facebook.com/KeySystems www.twitter.com/key_systems Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534 Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP www.keydrive.lu Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen. -------------------------------------------- Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Best regards, Volker A. Greimann - legal department - Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann@key-systems.net Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated: www.facebook.com/KeySystems www.twitter.com/key_systems CEO: Alexander Siffrin Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534 Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP www.keydrive.lu This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.
As most often, I agree with Volker. Furthermore I think we should keep the "request methods" clearly separated. An email or a fax can be automatically relayed, a postal mail requires human intervention. Luc On 29 Jul 2014, at 11:28, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>> wrote: Hi Steven, I also strongly object to the relay timeframe you are suggesting. There are such things as holidays and week-ends. I therefore propose the timeframe for manual relay should be no less than two business hours. Regarding the first part, I also have an issue with the "all relay requests". We for example also filter purchase inquiries and offers, which may not be spam in a strict sense. Volker As the updated template reflects, there has been considerable discussion about what overall policy regarding relay should be expressed in accreditation standards, and how the use of spam and other filters should be reflected. Let me suggest the following formulation for consideration: “ P/P service providers must forward all relay requests received at the e-mail address provided for the domain name in Whois (or via the webform to which requesters are directed, if this technique is used), subject to the use of commercially reasonable measures (including CAPTCHA on web forms) to filter out spam, abusive communications, and the like. In the case of manual relay systems, relay must take place within 24 hours.” Looking forward to discussing this on our call tomorrow. Steve Metalitz From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:37 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July Dear WG members, The proposed agenda for the next WG meeting on 29 July is as follows: 1. Roll Call/Updates to SOI 2. Continue discussions on E-1 (updated template sent pm 23 July; attached here again – with a minor typo corrected - for your review) 3. Commence discussions on E-2 (if time permits) 4. Next steps/next meeting We will add the updated template for E-1 to the WG wiki, in accordance with the usual practice, as well. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> _______________________________________________ Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg -- Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Volker A. 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Actually, I would not even support forwarding of fax communications as no registrant is required to provide a fax number. Only email should be used in this day and age. Volker Am 29.07.2014 11:40, schrieb Luc SEUFER:
As most often, I agree with Volker.
Furthermore I think we should keep the "request methods" clearly separated. An email or a fax can be automatically relayed, a postal mail requires human intervention.
Luc
On 29 Jul 2014, at 11:28, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>> wrote:
Hi Steven,
I also strongly object to the relay timeframe you are suggesting. There are such things as holidays and week-ends. I therefore propose the timeframe for manual relay should be no less than two business hours.
Regarding the first part, I also have an issue with the "all relay requests". We for example also filter purchase inquiries and offers, which may not be spam in a strict sense.
Volker
As the updated template reflects, there has been considerable discussion about what overall policy regarding relay should be expressed in accreditation standards, and how the use of spam and other filters should be reflected. Let me suggest the following formulation for consideration:
“ P/P service providers must forward all relay requests received at the e-mail address provided for the domain name in Whois (or via the webform to which requesters are directed, if this technique is used), subject to the use of commercially reasonable measures (including CAPTCHA on web forms) to filter out spam, abusive communications, and the like. In the case of manual relay systems, relay must take place within 24 hours.”
Looking forward to discussing this on our call tomorrow.
Steve Metalitz
From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:37 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July
Dear WG members,
The proposed agenda for the next WG meeting on 29 July is as follows:
1. Roll Call/Updates to SOI 2. Continue discussions on E-1 (updated template sent pm 23 July; attached here again – with a minor typo corrected - for your review) 3. Commence discussions on E-2 (if time permits) 4. Next steps/next meeting We will add the updated template for E-1 to the WG wiki, in accordance with the usual practice, as well.
Thanks and cheers Mary
Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
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Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>
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Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP www.keydrive.lu<http://www.keydrive.lu/>
Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann - legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>
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-- Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Volker A. Greimann - Rechtsabteilung - Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann@key-systems.net Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook: www.facebook.com/KeySystems www.twitter.com/key_systems Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534 Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP www.keydrive.lu Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen. -------------------------------------------- Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Best regards, Volker A. Greimann - legal department - Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann@key-systems.net Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated: www.facebook.com/KeySystems www.twitter.com/key_systems CEO: Alexander Siffrin Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534 Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP www.keydrive.lu This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.
My proposed formulation applies only to e-mail. Steve Sent with Good (www.good.com) -----Original Message----- From: Volker Greimann [vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 02:46 AM Pacific Standard Time To: Luc SEUFER Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July Actually, I would not even support forwarding of fax communications as no registrant is required to provide a fax number. Only email should be used in this day and age. Volker Am 29.07.2014 11:40, schrieb Luc SEUFER:
As most often, I agree with Volker.
Furthermore I think we should keep the "request methods" clearly separated. An email or a fax can be automatically relayed, a postal mail requires human intervention.
Luc
On 29 Jul 2014, at 11:28, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>> wrote:
Hi Steven,
I also strongly object to the relay timeframe you are suggesting. There are such things as holidays and week-ends. I therefore propose the timeframe for manual relay should be no less than two business hours.
Regarding the first part, I also have an issue with the "all relay requests". We for example also filter purchase inquiries and offers, which may not be spam in a strict sense.
Volker
As the updated template reflects, there has been considerable discussion about what overall policy regarding relay should be expressed in accreditation standards, and how the use of spam and other filters should be reflected. Let me suggest the following formulation for consideration:
“ P/P service providers must forward all relay requests received at the e-mail address provided for the domain name in Whois (or via the webform to which requesters are directed, if this technique is used), subject to the use of commercially reasonable measures (including CAPTCHA on web forms) to filter out spam, abusive communications, and the like. In the case of manual relay systems, relay must take place within 24 hours.”
Looking forward to discussing this on our call tomorrow.
Steve Metalitz
From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:37 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July
Dear WG members,
The proposed agenda for the next WG meeting on 29 July is as follows:
1. Roll Call/Updates to SOI 2. Continue discussions on E-1 (updated template sent pm 23 July; attached here again – with a minor typo corrected - for your review) 3. Commence discussions on E-2 (if time permits) 4. Next steps/next meeting We will add the updated template for E-1 to the WG wiki, in accordance with the usual practice, as well.
Thanks and cheers Mary
Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>
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-- Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann - Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>
Web: www.key-systems.net<http://www.key-systems.net/> / www.RRPproxy.net<http://www.rrpproxy.net/> www.domaindiscount24.com<http://www.domaindiscount24.com/> / www.BrandShelter.com<http://www.brandshelter.com/>
Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook: www.facebook.com/KeySystems<http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems> www.twitter.com/key_systems<http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP www.keydrive.lu<http://www.keydrive.lu/>
Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
--------------------------------------------
Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann - legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>
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Hi Steve, that is how I understood you and I agree with you on that. Luc came out mentioning fax, and I was responding to that. Personally, I think fax should not even be required as a means of communications since that means of communications is outdated, to say the least. Volker Am 29.07.2014 14:22, schrieb Metalitz, Steven:
Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July My proposed formulation applies only to e-mail.
Steve
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Actually, I would not even support forwarding of fax communications as no registrant is required to provide a fax number.
Only email should be used in this day and age.
Volker
Am 29.07.2014 11:40, schrieb Luc SEUFER:
As most often, I agree with Volker.
Furthermore I think we should keep the "request methods" clearly separated. An email or a fax can be automatically relayed, a postal mail requires human intervention.
Luc
On 29 Jul 2014, at 11:28, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>> wrote:
Hi Steven,
I also strongly object to the relay timeframe you are suggesting. There are such things as holidays and week-ends. I therefore propose the timeframe for manual relay should be no less than two business hours.
Regarding the first part, I also have an issue with the "all relay requests". We for example also filter purchase inquiries and offers, which may not be spam in a strict sense.
Volker
As the updated template reflects, there has been considerable discussion about what overall policy regarding relay should be expressed in accreditation standards, and how the use of spam and other filters should be reflected. Let me suggest the following formulation for consideration:
“ P/P service providers must forward all relay requests received at the e-mail address provided for the domain name in Whois (or via the webform to which requesters are directed, if this technique is used), subject to the use of commercially reasonable measures (including CAPTCHA on web forms) to filter out spam, abusive communications, and the like. In the case of manual relay systems, relay must take place within 24 hours.”
Looking forward to discussing this on our call tomorrow.
Steve Metalitz
From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:37 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July
Dear WG members,
The proposed agenda for the next WG meeting on 29 July is as follows:
1. Roll Call/Updates to SOI 2. Continue discussions on E-1 (updated template sent pm 23 July; attached here again – with a minor typo corrected - for your review) 3. Commence discussions on E-2 (if time permits) 4. Next steps/next meeting We will add the updated template for E-1 to the WG wiki, in accordance with the usual practice, as well.
Thanks and cheers Mary
Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>
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First, I support Kathy’s proposed wording. In fact, I think we should be dealing separately with the law enforcement/warrant situations where a 24/7 contact point is required and where there can be very prompt response to a very real threat of some kind, and other material to be relayed - which is where we are now. Clearly, yes, renewal notices and anything else required under the RAA should either be relayed or automatically dealt with so the beneficial registrant is informed. The harder question is what else is forwarded and how. I think we need to agree on words that describe the kind of material that should be relayed separately from how that is done. I do appreciate that actually forwarding mail is time consuming and costly. Some P/P providers may want to offer that service (and charge accordingly) but I’m not sure it is something that ICANN could mandate. It may make more sense to reach an agreed description of what should be forwarded (and lots of thought needed for that one) and leave it up to P/P providers as to how material is relayed, providing they describe to potential customers both what material they relay and what they will/will not do to actually relay the material (mail/email/whatever). I think that is close to Steve’s suggestion, but I take Volker’s point about the timing. I also take other points made in that other providers may, as part of the service, not relay material that are just marketing or other material that is close to spam in nature. I am an apology for this meeting - and sorry I will miss what will be an interesting discussion HOlly On 29 Jul 2014, at 7:40 pm, Luc SEUFER <lseufer@dclgroup.eu> wrote:
As most often, I agree with Volker.
Furthermore I think we should keep the "request methods" clearly separated. An email or a fax can be automatically relayed, a postal mail requires human intervention.
Luc
On 29 Jul 2014, at 11:28, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>> wrote:
Hi Steven,
I also strongly object to the relay timeframe you are suggesting. There are such things as holidays and week-ends. I therefore propose the timeframe for manual relay should be no less than two business hours.
Regarding the first part, I also have an issue with the "all relay requests". We for example also filter purchase inquiries and offers, which may not be spam in a strict sense.
Volker
As the updated template reflects, there has been considerable discussion about what overall policy regarding relay should be expressed in accreditation standards, and how the use of spam and other filters should be reflected. Let me suggest the following formulation for consideration:
“ P/P service providers must forward all relay requests received at the e-mail address provided for the domain name in Whois (or via the webform to which requesters are directed, if this technique is used), subject to the use of commercially reasonable measures (including CAPTCHA on web forms) to filter out spam, abusive communications, and the like. In the case of manual relay systems, relay must take place within 24 hours.”
Looking forward to discussing this on our call tomorrow.
Steve Metalitz
From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:37 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July
Dear WG members,
The proposed agenda for the next WG meeting on 29 July is as follows:
1. Roll Call/Updates to SOI 2. Continue discussions on E-1 (updated template sent pm 23 July; attached here again – with a minor typo corrected - for your review) 3. Commence discussions on E-2 (if time permits) 4. Next steps/next meeting We will add the updated template for E-1 to the WG wiki, in accordance with the usual practice, as well.
Thanks and cheers Mary
Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>
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Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>
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Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
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Hi Holly, Just to be clear, the mandatory provision of a 24/7 point of contact only applies to registrars for LEAs in their jurisdiction. There is no such obligation for registrants. Their details need to be accurate and allow to reach them but the only response time they must abide by is the one applicable to the verification of their details. As for the kind of communications that may be relayed, I wouldn’t want to turn P/P providers into attorneys having to analyse each mail they receive, limiting the forwarding of snail mail to those sent by courrier or registered mail seems sensible to me. Luc
On 29 Jul 2014, at 13:16, Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net> wrote:
First, I support Kathy’s proposed wording. In fact, I think we should be dealing separately with the law enforcement/warrant situations where a 24/7 contact point is required and where there can be very prompt response to a very real threat of some kind, and other material to be relayed - which is where we are now.
Clearly, yes, renewal notices and anything else required under the RAA should either be relayed or automatically dealt with so the beneficial registrant is informed. The harder question is what else is forwarded and how. I think we need to agree on words that describe the kind of material that should be relayed separately from how that is done. I do appreciate that actually forwarding mail is time consuming and costly. Some P/P providers may want to offer that service (and charge accordingly) but I’m not sure it is something that ICANN could mandate. It may make more sense to reach an agreed description of what should be forwarded (and lots of thought needed for that one) and leave it up to P/P providers as to how material is relayed, providing they describe to potential customers both what material they relay and what they will/will not do to actually relay the material (mail/email/whatever).
I think that is close to Steve’s suggestion, but I take Volker’s point about the timing. I also take other points made in that other providers may, as part of the service, not relay material that are just marketing or other material that is close to spam in nature.
I am an apology for this meeting - and sorry I will miss what will be an interesting discussion
HOlly
On 29 Jul 2014, at 7:40 pm, Luc SEUFER <lseufer@dclgroup.eu> wrote:
As most often, I agree with Volker.
Furthermore I think we should keep the "request methods" clearly separated. An email or a fax can be automatically relayed, a postal mail requires human intervention.
Luc
On 29 Jul 2014, at 11:28, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>> wrote:
Hi Steven,
I also strongly object to the relay timeframe you are suggesting. There are such things as holidays and week-ends. I therefore propose the timeframe for manual relay should be no less than two business hours.
Regarding the first part, I also have an issue with the "all relay requests". We for example also filter purchase inquiries and offers, which may not be spam in a strict sense.
Volker
As the updated template reflects, there has been considerable discussion about what overall policy regarding relay should be expressed in accreditation standards, and how the use of spam and other filters should be reflected. Let me suggest the following formulation for consideration:
“ P/P service providers must forward all relay requests received at the e-mail address provided for the domain name in Whois (or via the webform to which requesters are directed, if this technique is used), subject to the use of commercially reasonable measures (including CAPTCHA on web forms) to filter out spam, abusive communications, and the like. In the case of manual relay systems, relay must take place within 24 hours.”
Looking forward to discussing this on our call tomorrow.
Steve Metalitz
From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:37 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July
Dear WG members,
The proposed agenda for the next WG meeting on 29 July is as follows:
1. Roll Call/Updates to SOI 2. Continue discussions on E-1 (updated template sent pm 23 July; attached here again – with a minor typo corrected - for your review) 3. Commence discussions on E-2 (if time permits) 4. Next steps/next meeting We will add the updated template for E-1 to the WG wiki, in accordance with the usual practice, as well.
Thanks and cheers Mary
Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
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Regarding the relay time frame, I think Volker's two business hour relay standard is doable assuming the P/P has an automated forwarding system for email or web form submissions to the registrant. I don't believe that's a reasonable time frame if human intervention is required to make the relay happen. To accommodate human involvement, I suggest a relay standard of no less than one or maybe two business days. From: Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:16 AM To: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July First, I support Kathy’s proposed wording. In fact, I think we should be dealing separately with the law enforcement/warrant situations where a 24/7 contact point is required and where there can be very prompt response to a very real threat of some kind, and other material to be relayed - which is where we are now. Clearly, yes, renewal notices and anything else required under the RAA should either be relayed or automatically dealt with so the beneficial registrant is informed. The harder question is what else is forwarded and how. I think we need to agree on words that describe the kind of material that should be relayed separately from how that is done. I do appreciate that actually forwarding mail is time consuming and costly. Some P/P providers may want to offer that service (and charge accordingly) but I’m not sure it is something that ICANN could mandate. It may make more sense to reach an agreed description of what should be forwarded (and lots of thought needed for that one) and leave it up to P/P providers as to how material is relayed, providing they describe to potential customers both what material they relay and what they will/will not do to actually relay the material (mail/email/whatever). I think that is close to Steve’s suggestion, but I take Volker’s point about the timing. I also take other points made in that other providers may, as part of the service, not relay material that are just marketing or other material that is close to spam in nature. I am an apology for this meeting - and sorry I will miss what will be an interesting discussion HOlly On 29 Jul 2014, at 7:40 pm, Luc SEUFER <lseufer@dclgroup.eu<mailto:lseufer@dclgroup.eu>> wrote: As most often, I agree with Volker. Furthermore I think we should keep the "request methods" clearly separated. An email or a fax can be automatically relayed, a postal mail requires human intervention. Luc On 29 Jul 2014, at 11:28, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net><mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net>> wrote: Hi Steven, I also strongly object to the relay timeframe you are suggesting. There are such things as holidays and week-ends. I therefore propose the timeframe for manual relay should be no less than two business hours. Regarding the first part, I also have an issue with the "all relay requests". We for example also filter purchase inquiries and offers, which may not be spam in a strict sense. Volker As the updated template reflects, there has been considerable discussion about what overall policy regarding relay should be expressed in accreditation standards, and how the use of spam and other filters should be reflected. Let me suggest the following formulation for consideration: “ P/P service providers must forward all relay requests received at the e-mail address provided for the domain name in Whois (or via the webform to which requesters are directed, if this technique is used), subject to the use of commercially reasonable measures (including CAPTCHA on web forms) to filter out spam, abusive communications, and the like. In the case of manual relay systems, relay must take place within 24 hours.” Looking forward to discussing this on our call tomorrow. Steve Metalitz From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:37 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July Dear WG members, The proposed agenda for the next WG meeting on 29 July is as follows: 1. Roll Call/Updates to SOI 2. Continue discussions on E-1 (updated template sent pm 23 July; attached here again – with a minor typo corrected - for your review) 3. Commence discussions on E-2 (if time permits) 4. Next steps/next meeting We will add the updated template for E-1 to the WG wiki, in accordance with the usual practice, as well. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org><mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> _______________________________________________ Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg -- Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Volker A. Greimann - Rechtsabteilung - Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net><mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net> Web: www.key-systems.net<http://www.key-systems.net/> / www.RRPproxy.net<http://www.rrpproxy.net/> www.domaindiscount24.com<http://www.domaindiscount24.com/> / www.BrandShelter.com<http://www.brandshelter.com/> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook: www.facebook.com/KeySystems<http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems> www.twitter.com/key_systems<http://www.twitter.com/key_systems> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534 Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP www.keydrive.lu<http://www.keydrive.lu/> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen. -------------------------------------------- Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Best regards, Volker A. 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Small correction: I meant business days. Not sure how my mind drifted to hours... Volker Am 29.07.2014 15:45, schrieb Darcy Southwell:
Regarding the relay time frame, I think Volker's two business hour relay standard is doable assuming the P/P has an automated forwarding system for email or web form submissions to the registrant. I don't believe that's a reasonable time frame if human intervention is required to make the relay happen. To accommodate human involvement, I suggest a relay standard of no less than one or maybe two business days.
From: Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net <mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:16 AM To: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July
First, I support Kathy's proposed wording. In fact, I think we should be dealing separately with the law enforcement/warrant situations where a 24/7 contact point is required and where there can be very prompt response to a very real threat of some kind, and other material to be relayed - which is where we are now.
Clearly, yes, renewal notices and anything else required under the RAA should either be relayed or automatically dealt with so the beneficial registrant is informed. The harder question is what else is forwarded and how. I think we need to agree on words that describe the kind of material that should be relayed separately from how that is done. I do appreciate that actually forwarding mail is time consuming and costly. Some P/P providers may want to offer that service (and charge accordingly) but I'm not sure it is something that ICANN could mandate. It may make more sense to reach an agreed description of what should be forwarded (and lots of thought needed for that one) and leave it up to P/P providers as to how material is relayed, providing they describe to potential customers both what material they relay and what they will/will not do to actually relay the material (mail/email/whatever).
I think that is close to Steve's suggestion, but I take Volker's point about the timing. I also take other points made in that other providers may, as part of the service, not relay material that are just marketing or other material that is close to spam in nature.
I am an apology for this meeting - and sorry I will miss what will be an interesting discussion
HOlly
On 29 Jul 2014, at 7:40 pm, Luc SEUFER <lseufer@dclgroup.eu <mailto:lseufer@dclgroup.eu>> wrote:
As most often, I agree with Volker. Furthermore I think we should keep the "request methods" clearly separated. An email or a fax can be automatically relayed, a postal mail requires human intervention. Luc On 29 Jul 2014, at 11:28, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net><mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net> <mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net%3E>> wrote: Hi Steven, I also strongly object to the relay timeframe you are suggesting. There are such things as holidays and week-ends. I therefore propose the timeframe for manual relay should be no less than two business hours. Regarding the first part, I also have an issue with the "all relay requests". We for example also filter purchase inquiries and offers, which may not be spam in a strict sense. Volker As the updated template reflects, there has been considerable discussion about what overall policy regarding relay should be expressed in accreditation standards, and how the use of spam and other filters should be reflected. Let me suggest the following formulation for consideration: " P/P service providers must forward all relay requests received at the e-mail address provided for the domain name in Whois (or via the webform to which requesters are directed, if this technique is used), subject to the use of commercially reasonable measures (including CAPTCHA on web forms) to filter out spam, abusive communications, and the like. In the case of manual relay systems, relay must take place within 24 hours." Looking forward to discussing this on our call tomorrow. Steve Metalitz From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:37 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July Dear WG members, The proposed agenda for the next WG meeting on 29 July is as follows: 1. Roll Call/Updates to SOI 2. Continue discussions on E-1 (updated template sent pm 23 July; attached here again -- with a minor typo corrected - for your review) 3. Commence discussions on E-2 (if time permits) 4. Next steps/next meeting We will add the updated template for E-1 to the WG wiki, in accordance with the usual practice, as well. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org <mailto:mary.wong@icann.org><mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> _______________________________________________ Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg -- Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Volker A. 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-- Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Volker A. Greimann - Rechtsabteilung - Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann@key-systems.net Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook: www.facebook.com/KeySystems www.twitter.com/key_systems Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534 Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP www.keydrive.lu Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen. -------------------------------------------- Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Best regards, Volker A. Greimann - legal department - Key-Systems GmbH Im Oberen Werk 1 66386 St. Ingbert Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901 Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851 Email: vgreimann@key-systems.net Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated: www.facebook.com/KeySystems www.twitter.com/key_systems CEO: Alexander Siffrin Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534 Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP www.keydrive.lu This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.
Please drift back, we liked that better! From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Volker Greimann Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 9:57 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July Small correction: I meant business days. Not sure how my mind drifted to hours... Volker Am 29.07.2014 15:45, schrieb Darcy Southwell: Regarding the relay time frame, I think Volker's two business hour relay standard is doable assuming the P/P has an automated forwarding system for email or web form submissions to the registrant. I don't believe that's a reasonable time frame if human intervention is required to make the relay happen. To accommodate human involvement, I suggest a relay standard of no less than one or maybe two business days. From: Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:16 AM To: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July First, I support Kathy's proposed wording. In fact, I think we should be dealing separately with the law enforcement/warrant situations where a 24/7 contact point is required and where there can be very prompt response to a very real threat of some kind, and other material to be relayed - which is where we are now. Clearly, yes, renewal notices and anything else required under the RAA should either be relayed or automatically dealt with so the beneficial registrant is informed. The harder question is what else is forwarded and how. I think we need to agree on words that describe the kind of material that should be relayed separately from how that is done. I do appreciate that actually forwarding mail is time consuming and costly. Some P/P providers may want to offer that service (and charge accordingly) but I'm not sure it is something that ICANN could mandate. It may make more sense to reach an agreed description of what should be forwarded (and lots of thought needed for that one) and leave it up to P/P providers as to how material is relayed, providing they describe to potential customers both what material they relay and what they will/will not do to actually relay the material (mail/email/whatever). I think that is close to Steve's suggestion, but I take Volker's point about the timing. I also take other points made in that other providers may, as part of the service, not relay material that are just marketing or other material that is close to spam in nature. I am an apology for this meeting - and sorry I will miss what will be an interesting discussion HOlly On 29 Jul 2014, at 7:40 pm, Luc SEUFER <lseufer@dclgroup.eu<mailto:lseufer@dclgroup.eu>> wrote: As most often, I agree with Volker. Furthermore I think we should keep the "request methods" clearly separated. An email or a fax can be automatically relayed, a postal mail requires human intervention. Luc On 29 Jul 2014, at 11:28, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net><mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net><mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net%3E>> wrote: Hi Steven, I also strongly object to the relay timeframe you are suggesting. There are such things as holidays and week-ends. I therefore propose the timeframe for manual relay should be no less than two business hours. Regarding the first part, I also have an issue with the "all relay requests". We for example also filter purchase inquiries and offers, which may not be spam in a strict sense. Volker As the updated template reflects, there has been considerable discussion about what overall policy regarding relay should be expressed in accreditation standards, and how the use of spam and other filters should be reflected. Let me suggest the following formulation for consideration: " P/P service providers must forward all relay requests received at the e-mail address provided for the domain name in Whois (or via the webform to which requesters are directed, if this technique is used), subject to the use of commercially reasonable measures (including CAPTCHA on web forms) to filter out spam, abusive communications, and the like. In the case of manual relay systems, relay must take place within 24 hours." Looking forward to discussing this on our call tomorrow. 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Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org><mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> _______________________________________________ Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg -- Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Volker A. 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I was wondering .. Two business days seems much more reasonable -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.co/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Volker Greimann Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:57 PM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July Small correction: I meant business days. Not sure how my mind drifted to hours... Volker Am 29.07.2014 15:45, schrieb Darcy Southwell: Regarding the relay time frame, I think Volker's two business hour relay standard is doable assuming the P/P has an automated forwarding system for email or web form submissions to the registrant. I don't believe that's a reasonable time frame if human intervention is required to make the relay happen. To accommodate human involvement, I suggest a relay standard of no less than one or maybe two business days. From: Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:16 AM To: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July First, I support Kathy's proposed wording. In fact, I think we should be dealing separately with the law enforcement/warrant situations where a 24/7 contact point is required and where there can be very prompt response to a very real threat of some kind, and other material to be relayed - which is where we are now. Clearly, yes, renewal notices and anything else required under the RAA should either be relayed or automatically dealt with so the beneficial registrant is informed. The harder question is what else is forwarded and how. I think we need to agree on words that describe the kind of material that should be relayed separately from how that is done. I do appreciate that actually forwarding mail is time consuming and costly. Some P/P providers may want to offer that service (and charge accordingly) but I'm not sure it is something that ICANN could mandate. It may make more sense to reach an agreed description of what should be forwarded (and lots of thought needed for that one) and leave it up to P/P providers as to how material is relayed, providing they describe to potential customers both what material they relay and what they will/will not do to actually relay the material (mail/email/whatever). I think that is close to Steve's suggestion, but I take Volker's point about the timing. I also take other points made in that other providers may, as part of the service, not relay material that are just marketing or other material that is close to spam in nature. I am an apology for this meeting - and sorry I will miss what will be an interesting discussion HOlly On 29 Jul 2014, at 7:40 pm, Luc SEUFER <lseufer@dclgroup.eu<mailto:lseufer@dclgroup.eu>> wrote: As most often, I agree with Volker. Furthermore I think we should keep the "request methods" clearly separated. An email or a fax can be automatically relayed, a postal mail requires human intervention. Luc On 29 Jul 2014, at 11:28, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net><mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net><mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net%3E>> wrote: Hi Steven, I also strongly object to the relay timeframe you are suggesting. There are such things as holidays and week-ends. I therefore propose the timeframe for manual relay should be no less than two business hours. Regarding the first part, I also have an issue with the "all relay requests". We for example also filter purchase inquiries and offers, which may not be spam in a strict sense. Volker As the updated template reflects, there has been considerable discussion about what overall policy regarding relay should be expressed in accreditation standards, and how the use of spam and other filters should be reflected. Let me suggest the following formulation for consideration: " P/P service providers must forward all relay requests received at the e-mail address provided for the domain name in Whois (or via the webform to which requesters are directed, if this technique is used), subject to the use of commercially reasonable measures (including CAPTCHA on web forms) to filter out spam, abusive communications, and the like. In the case of manual relay systems, relay must take place within 24 hours." Looking forward to discussing this on our call tomorrow. Steve Metalitz From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:37 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July Dear WG members, The proposed agenda for the next WG meeting on 29 July is as follows: 1. Roll Call/Updates to SOI 2. Continue discussions on E-1 (updated template sent pm 23 July; attached here again - with a minor typo corrected - for your review) 3. Commence discussions on E-2 (if time permits) 4. Next steps/next meeting We will add the updated template for E-1 to the WG wiki, in accordance with the usual practice, as well. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org><mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> _______________________________________________ Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg -- Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Volker A. 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Great discussion. Quick question: where do we stand on the cost-sharing arrangements, e.g., "charging a reasonable fee for relaying certain types of communications" (from our current E-1 template)? Best, Kathy :
Regarding the relay time frame, I think Volker's two business hour relay standard is doable assuming the P/P has an automated forwarding system for email or web form submissions to the registrant. I don't believe that's a reasonable time frame if human intervention is required to make the relay happen. To accommodate human involvement, I suggest a relay standard of no less than one or maybe two business days.
From: Holly Raiche <h.raiche@internode.on.net <mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net>> Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:16 AM To: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July
First, I support Kathy's proposed wording. In fact, I think we should be dealing separately with the law enforcement/warrant situations where a 24/7 contact point is required and where there can be very prompt response to a very real threat of some kind, and other material to be relayed - which is where we are now.
Clearly, yes, renewal notices and anything else required under the RAA should either be relayed or automatically dealt with so the beneficial registrant is informed. The harder question is what else is forwarded and how. I think we need to agree on words that describe the kind of material that should be relayed separately from how that is done. I do appreciate that actually forwarding mail is time consuming and costly. Some P/P providers may want to offer that service (and charge accordingly) but I'm not sure it is something that ICANN could mandate. It may make more sense to reach an agreed description of what should be forwarded (and lots of thought needed for that one) and leave it up to P/P providers as to how material is relayed, providing they describe to potential customers both what material they relay and what they will/will not do to actually relay the material (mail/email/whatever).
I think that is close to Steve's suggestion, but I take Volker's point about the timing. I also take other points made in that other providers may, as part of the service, not relay material that are just marketing or other material that is close to spam in nature.
I am an apology for this meeting - and sorry I will miss what will be an interesting discussion
HOlly
On 29 Jul 2014, at 7:40 pm, Luc SEUFER <lseufer@dclgroup.eu <mailto:lseufer@dclgroup.eu>> wrote:
As most often, I agree with Volker. Furthermore I think we should keep the "request methods" clearly separated. An email or a fax can be automatically relayed, a postal mail requires human intervention. Luc On 29 Jul 2014, at 11:28, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net><mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net> <mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net%3E>> wrote: Hi Steven, I also strongly object to the relay timeframe you are suggesting. There are such things as holidays and week-ends. I therefore propose the timeframe for manual relay should be no less than two business hours. Regarding the first part, I also have an issue with the "all relay requests". We for example also filter purchase inquiries and offers, which may not be spam in a strict sense. Volker As the updated template reflects, there has been considerable discussion about what overall policy regarding relay should be expressed in accreditation standards, and how the use of spam and other filters should be reflected. Let me suggest the following formulation for consideration: " P/P service providers must forward all relay requests received at the e-mail address provided for the domain name in Whois (or via the webform to which requesters are directed, if this technique is used), subject to the use of commercially reasonable measures (including CAPTCHA on web forms) to filter out spam, abusive communications, and the like. In the case of manual relay systems, relay must take place within 24 hours." Looking forward to discussing this on our call tomorrow. Steve Metalitz From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:37 AM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July Dear WG members, The proposed agenda for the next WG meeting on 29 July is as follows: 1. Roll Call/Updates to SOI 2. Continue discussions on E-1 (updated template sent pm 23 July; attached here again -- with a minor typo corrected - for your review) 3. Commence discussions on E-2 (if time permits) 4. Next steps/next meeting We will add the updated template for E-1 to the WG wiki, in accordance with the usual practice, as well. Thanks and cheers Mary Mary Wong Senior Policy Director Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN) Telephone: +1 603 574 4892 Email: mary.wong@icann.org <mailto:mary.wong@icann.org><mailto:mary.wong@icann.org> _______________________________________________ Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org <mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg -- Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Volker A. 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Darcy Southwell -
Holly Raiche -
Kathy Kleiman -
Luc SEUFER -
Mary Wong -
Metalitz, Steven -
Michele Neylon - Blacknight -
Volker Greimann