Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 08 July 2014 at 14:00 UTC at: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140707-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140707-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jul> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jul The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Steve Metalitz - IPC Justin Macy – BC Sarah Wyld - RrSG Chris Pelling – RrSG Darcy Southwell - RrSG Graeme Bunton – RrSG Don Blumenthal – RySG Phil Marano – IPC Val Sherman – IPC Griffin Barnett – IPC Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG Susan Kawguchi – BC Volker Greimann – RrSG Kathy Kleiman – NCUC Holly Raiche – ALAC Luc Seufer – RrSG Stephanie Perrin – NCSG Michele Neylon – RrSG James Bladel – RrSG Roy Balleste – NCUC Michele Neylon – RrSG Don Moody – IPC David Heasley – IPC Jim Bikoff – IPC Frank Michlick – Individual Kristina Rosette – IPC Paul McGrady – IPC Carlton Samuels – ALAC Todd Williams – IPC Lindsay Hamilton-Reid – RrSG Apologies: Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP Susan Prosser- RrSG Brian Winterfeldt - IPC ICANN staff: Marika Konings Mary Wong Amy Bivins Glen de Saint Gery Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 08 July 2014: Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG meeting of 8 July 2014 Terri Agnew:Hi everyhone, AC will be connected in a moment Bladel:Good mroning. I'm finishing up another call, but will join the bridge when able. Thanks! Terri Agnew:Thank you for letting us know James Michele Neylon:I'll dial in shortly Chris Pelling:afternoon all :) Val Sherman:Good morning all Don Blumenthal:The adobe call in feature isn't enabled. I will jump to Skype,. Val Sherman:David Heasley also on call Terri Agnew:I have David noted Graeme Bunton:Is there a reason we can't connect to the Adobe audio? Michele Neylon:dialled in .. Michele Neylon:yay Michele Neylon:or something Stephanie Perrin:cannot activate audio, do we give up and dial in? Michele Neylon:Operator is saying to dialin Michele Neylon:though since audio isn't working Michele Neylon:I suspect only those of us on the bridge are hearing her :) Chris Pelling:whoever is typing please turn your MIC off Chris Pelling:is that you michele ? :p Michele Neylon:get lost Michele Neylon::) Chris Pelling:hehehe Chris Pelling:I can hear terry from staff Don Blumenthal:Apologies. Problems with dialing in. Holly Raiche:I can hear you Kathy:Hi All! Michele Neylon:Holly - who is "you"? :) Terri Agnew:Is ac working now? Graeme Bunton:Dialed in Holly Raiche:2Michele - So far, only Terri but I live in hope! Graeme Bunton:oop. Got adobe working. Kathy:Hooray for post-ICANN vacations :-)! Michele Neylon:it's cos I wasn't there Don Michele Neylon:admit it Graeme Bunton:nearly miraculous. Luc Seufer:finally a panel without the Irish man! woot woot woot Terri Agnew:Kristina, I have you noted Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:I can't hear anything but that might just be because there is nothing to hear yet . . . . . Luc Seufer:are the pot ICANN vaction and Interpol rep. yelling somehow inked? Luc Seufer:linked Marika Konings:Welcome to Lindsay who is the new member. Luc Seufer:good to hear Marika Konings:@Lindsay - you should hear audio via your computer (through the ADobe Connect room) Graeme Bunton:Lindsay - yep. Things are happenig. Maybe you need to connect your audio or try dialing in Michele Neylon:Lindsay - you need to dial in Marika Konings:if you are having issues, we can also dial out to you Michele Neylon:afternoon by the way Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Thanks Marika and Graeme. Kathy:It was a good meeting - tx you, Don! Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:I will try dialling in again Kathy:Marika, Mary, could you provide the link to Category E, Q1 here in chat? Tx. Marika Konings:@Kathy - we haven't circulated the template yet, but will do so shortly after the call. Kathy:But isn't it on the agenda for today? Terri Agnew:Paul McGrady has joined Marika Konings:Yes, if we have time left. We'll walk through the information we've collected so people can think about what additional information may be needed for review prior to the next meeting. steve metalitz:Agree we are making good progress. Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined Carlton:Howdy all Terri Agnew:Carlton Samuels, I have you added to attendance Carlton:Thks Terri Terri Agnew:and Welcome Kathy:It's good to do this very early - tx you! Graeme Bunton:LA meeting is on Canadian thxgiving weekend, which might impact peoples plans. Kathy:Agree with Steve; it's at least two nights of hotel rooms for those of us who normally come in on Sunday... Volker Greimann:I think we should not discuss allocation of ICANN funds here Chris Pelling:exactly Chris Pelling:sorry this is WG for PP Michele Neylon:can we discuss this via email? Chris Pelling:come on guys, get back on track please Chris Pelling:Steve, no objection at all, just can be better done via email Michele Neylon:um Michele Neylon:that was odd Michele Neylon:music Mary Wong:We'll send out the email confirming the infomation Marika has given. The idea here was to let everyone know of the planned F2F meeting for LA. Michele Neylon:oooo Michele Neylon:I see lots of IPv6 Michele Neylon:sorry - was fixing my desktop machine Marika Konings:Please note that the different alternatives can be found on page 6, 7 and 8 Chris Pelling:Michele, Apple = hammer doesnt it ? :p Michele Neylon:Chris - IPv6 using DHCP Michele Neylon:didn't realise I had it switched off Michele Neylon:who is panting? Chris Pelling:Thnk its Don Don Blumenthal:ON mute when I'm not talking. steve metalitz:Crossing out DMCA language was NOT my suggestion, just clarifying that there is no standardized form today. Carlton:I would be VERY cautious of using the DMCA form. At least one of them I see. Different objectives for one Mary Wong:The USA's Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) contains a number of required criteria that must be included in a takedown notice, e.g., contact info, good faith declaration, signature, specification of objected-to content. Mary Wong:This WG may consider specifyging the elements that must be in a form rather than designing the form itself, for instance. Carlton:@Mary: Agreed. So fulsome adoption may not be optimal Kristina Rosette:@Mary: It's my recollection that that (elements, not form) was the original idea. Carlton:@Kristina: Good to know Terri Agnew:Todd Williams has joined Carlton:@Holly: In its consideration of purpose based contacts (PBCs), the EWG anticipated this and other WG might recommend a triage to determine timing etc for each contact. Carlton:type Bladel:+1 Don. Stephanie Perrin:Don't we need to focus in on the allegation, and the form of the allegation? Much easier than identifying types of alleged malicious content. Luc Seufer:@Stephanie agreed Kathy:To Holly's point, and mine: can we create a new question or time to evaluate the requestor and any history known of the requestor? Carlton:@Steph: Precisely. Focusing on allegation and the form is the starting type. The idea is that a risk profile would determine what the recommendation for response,. Action also has other determinants. Don Blumenthal:Michele, fair enough. I was talking at a basic level. Jurisdiction clearly factors in. Carlton:@Michele: +1. Jurisdiction is just one other determinant. Marika Konings:Please note that this question relates specifically to a contact point provided by the P/P - questions in relation to relay and what action need to be taken will come up under the next categeories of questions. Kathy:Sorry Stephanie, can't hear you.... Carlton:I think we lost her Don Blumenthal:Stephanie, we lost you Luc Seufer:And this is without mentioning the difference of alphabet. In the past we receive what we believe was Russian court documents, we weren't able to even reply. Michele Neylon:Luc - we have russian speakers on staff Terri Agnew:Stephanie, Ihave private chatted you Luc Seufer:okay, Chinese then Volker Greimann:non-LEA has no overall generic "right" to someones private data Michele Neylon:Volker +1 Holly Raiche:@ Wolker- I think that was the point I was trying to make Carlton:@Kathy: Good qustion. Who and what must be elements for questioning. I would wish to see list of itmes on any form. We must have a triage operation Holly Raiche:Sorry - Volker Chris Pelling:Volker +1 steve metalitz:It is not correct that copyright ifnfringement is not subject to independent verification. Carlton:..and now that Michele mentioned it, I can recall the arguments we had over how to respond to issues surrounding local marks. Kathy:@Steve: but copyright infringement vs. fair use and legitimate critique is normally subject to court review... Carlton:TMCH remains mute on this..and we know it will come from bitter experience Kathy:Tx Michele! Michele Neylon:I'd actually agree with Steve Michele Neylon:please don't use this against me Michele Neylon::) Kathy:I think we are talking about new fields, including who the Requester is, what their status is, what their jurisdiction is, Kathy:and why something is alleged as being illega. Holly Raiche:@Kathy +1 Kathy:But Reveal is the key - especially for speech and content issues... Stephanie Perrin:testing Luc Seufer:How do you prove that you have relayed without disclosing the underlying details though? Holly Raiche:Good question Luc Kathy:Don - I think we have some new fields! steve metalitz:Michele our secret agreement will be kept confidential..... Mary Wong:We will send out an updated version of D-4 Michele Neylon:Steve - good Holly Raiche:We promise not to tell on Steve and Michele Volker Greimann:so now we know michele is for sale ;-) Stephanie Perrin:sorry, for some reason I keep dropping, including on text Michele Neylon:Volker - and you're not? Carlton:Thanks all. Good discussion! We seem to be cooking now. Michele Neylon:Carlton - you cook? Luc Seufer:bye Kathy:But what is the secret ingredient? Mary Wong:Thanks everyone! Chris Pelling:bye all