Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 06 May 2014 at 14:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140506-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar%23mar> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Luc Seufer - RrSG Graeme Bunton - RrSG Tim Ruiz - RrSG Steve Metalitz - IPC Kathy Kleiman - RySG Darcy Southwell - RrSG Justin Macy - BC David Heasley - IPC James Bladel - RrSG Phil Marano - IPC Christian Dawson - ISPCP Griffin Barnett - IPC Valeriya Sherman - IPC Alex Deacon - IPC Laura Jedeed - BC Sarah Wyld - RrSG Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP Carlton Samuels - At-Large Kristina Rosette - IPC Holly Raiche - ALAC Tatiana Khramstova - RrSG Maria Farrell - NCUC John Horton - BC Michael Palage - RySG Jim Bikoff - IPC Apologies: Don Blumenthal - RySG Roy Balleste - NCUC Amr Elsadr - NCUC Susan Prosser- RrSG Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC ICANN staff: Marika Konings Mary Wong Amy Bivins Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 06 May 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the PPSAI WG call on the 6th May 2014 Kathy K:Echoes... Kathy K:Good morning, All Paul McGrady:Good morning! Nathalie Peregrine:Paul LcGrady and Darcy Southwell have joined Nathalie Peregrine:McGrady, apologies Paul McGrady:I like LGrady. Sounds French & sophisticated! Nathalie Peregrine:Fitting like a glove I am sure :) Bladel:"predicate question" maybe? Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all, Nathalie Peregrine:Hello Osvaldo, I have noted you for attendance Mary Wong:We will note the reason for the "threshold question" in the draft report when the time comes, if that helps. John Horton:I don't want to jump the queue, but happy to respond if helpful! Graeme Bunton:thanks John Nathalie Peregrine:Kristina Rosette has joined the call Kristina Rosette:Greetings! Apologies for being late. Tim Ruiz:Responding to abuse, yes, but not determining what abuse is. And whois is not content or use. Tim Ruiz:+1 James. What is the problem we are trying to solve? Kathy K:The cost-benefit analysis makes sense Bladel:@Kathy: Cost-Benefit. And a clear understanding that this is the ONLY way to address it. Stephanie Perrin:risk Mitigation, that is the word I was groping for... Kathy K:@Bladel: Agreed Bladel:I agree with Mike P. Which might mean that ICANN is doomed if it's taking on global content issues.... Luc Seufer:Or we could also point out the lazyness of "complainants"... Graeme Bunton:Lets queue please Luc Seufer:(apaprently a whois request on a domain name is easier than one on an IP address) Bladel:PICs are not automatically incompabilble with P/P services. steve metalitz:Agree we should queue rather than debate ad hoc Holly Raiche:@ Kathy - congratulations Nathalie Peregrine:Carlton Samuels has joined the call Carlton Samuels:Howdy everybody Kathy K:Hi Carlton! Kathy K:Tx Holly - the Seattle Film Festival is very exciting! Carlton Samuels:Hi Kathy, good to see you Kathy K:+1 Stephanie - and here's to the girls' schools in Pakistan Val Sherman:+1 to girls' schools in Pakistan! Stephanie Perrin:+1 Tim, give small business choice Carlton Samuels:@TIM; +1 on how most regulators view id of commercial operators. maria farrell:I'm in the queue also Kathy K:+ Nathalie Peregrine:please mute all mics and phones when not speaking Phil Marano:Still getting a bad echo. Phil Marano:ok Kathy K:+1 Tim on the loss of domain names if you violate the terms of use Carlton Samuels:Apropos, FWIW, I cannot see a compelling reason to deny P/P services to any entity, including commercial ones, so long as the rules apply across the board maria farrell:+1 Carlton Bladel:I don't even know if I speak for my employer half the time.... :) Osvaldo Novoa:+1 Carlton Kathy K:+1 Holly Val Sherman:+1 Holly steve metalitz:@Graeme, IPC's position, as stated in our submission, is that the answer to the threshold question should be "no." Tim Ruiz:Speaking for myself, the answer to the threshold question should be No. Kathy K:And the NCSG's position on the threshold question, as stated in our submission is also 'no." Carlton Samuels:@Stephanie: +1, this is the situation in some common law jurisdictions. IOn can be a sole proprietor trading in your own name Holly Raiche:I think we are saying it is toohard - address the response Kathy K:subgroup?? Bladel:@Kathy - our homework. :) Carlton Samuels:BTW, pardon my joining late, ID the Chair please? Kathy K:ah hah :-) Graeme Bunton:Myself, Graeme Bunton Bladel:I can update the WG on our work on this topic, if desired. Carlton Samuels:Aaahh, hi Graeme. Well done sah Tim Ruiz:This subgroup does not mean that the WG will be held up in any way from moving forward on the other questions, right? Kathy K:@Tim, no delay to the WG. Carlton Samuels:@Transfers: FWIW the EWG had extensive discussions on these various states of data pre and post trnasfer Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: +1. Key objectives are to preserve information and extend choice Carlton Samuels:...extend choice.. Paul McGrady:Kathy/James, thanks for looking into this! Bladel:Sorry, I mis spoke. maria farrell:old hand, sorry! Tim Ruiz:Thanks Graeme! Bye all. steve metalitz:thanks graeme. Carlton Samuels:Oh thanks Kathy. That was going to be my question for Graeme Luc Seufer:@Kathy because ICANN Kathy K:@Luc :-) Tim Ruiz:But only on the threshold question. Otherwise, it is then not really a threshold question, right? Kathy K:Tx for chairing Graeme! Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: Except for fixing questions that might have implications for content. We should not be going down that road Carlton Samuels:Thnaks Graeme Kathy K:Agreed Carlton! Bladel:Thanks, folks. Phil Marano:Thank you! Luc Seufer:Merci Graeme