Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 9 September 2014 at 14:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140909-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Steve Metalitz - IPC Graeme Bunton – RrSG Griffin Barnett – IPC Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG Frank Michlick – Individual Volker Greimann-RrSG Don Blumenthal – RySG David Heasley-IPC Jim Bikoff-IPC Chris Pelling – RrSG Tobias Sattler – RrSG Kathy Kleiman – NCSG Justin Macy - BC Susan Kawaguchi – BC Kristina Rosette – IPC Darcy Southwell – RrSG Amr Elsadr – NCUC Paul McGrady – IPC Libby Baney – BC Phil Marano – IPC Holly Raiche – ALAC Sarah Wyld – RrSG Christian Dawson – ISPCP Victoria Scheckler - IPC Michele Neylon – RrSG Lindsay Hamilton-Reid – RrSG James Bladel – RrSG Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP Val Sherman – IPC David Heasley – IPC Kathy Kleiman – NCSG Luc Seufer – RrSG Keith Kupferschmid – IPC David Hughes - IPC Apologies : none ICANN staff: Mary Wong Marika Konings Mike Zupke Amy Bivins Daniela Andela Maryam Bakoshi Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 09 September 2014: Maryam Bakoshi:Dear All, welcome to the PPSAI WG meeting on Tuesday, 9th September 2014 Tobias Sattler:Hi there Chris Pelling:ello Tobias :) Chris Pelling:Hey James and Mike :) Graeme Bunton:Someone is a little huffy puffy on the line Bladel:SOunds like the ocean. :) Mary Wong:Sorry, it may be us in the DC office .... we're in a conference room with blasting AC Val Sherman:Hello All! David Heasley also on the call Nathalie Peregrine:Amr Elsadr has joined the call, and David has been notedf for attendancem, thanks Val Nathalie Peregrine:Lindsay Hamilton-Reid has joined the AC room Nathalie Peregrine:Paul McGrady is also on the call Nathalie Peregrine:David Hughes is on the audio bridge Nathalie Peregrine:Kristina Rosette has joined the call Bladel:Are we taking a queue on this? Mary Wong:@James, yes Graeme Bunton:Can do Don Blumenthal:I was about to jump in Bladel:Ok, I'll raise my hand. Nathalie Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa is also on the call Chris Pelling:can this doc that ICANN has provided for discussion be sent out to us ? Chris Pelling:might be a useful read over a few times Mary Wong:@Chris, I thought Mike meant these slides? Chris Pelling:Hey Mary, yes, I can flick through them, but, cant download them Kathy:I don't understand the "technical limitation" ... could you rephrase please? Mary Wong:@Chris, apologies - I think I sent them around this a.m. and they're on the wiki page too; hang on for the link. Nathalie Peregrine:Phil Marano has joined the AC room Mary Wong:https://community.icann.org/x/wAzxAg Chris Pelling:Cheers Mary Don Blumenthal:The slides did go out this morning Don Blumenthal:Unaffiliated p/p services exist alrady. Graeme Bunton:Besides lawfirms? Don Blumenthal:Yes. I'll find and post later. Kathy:Helpful answers, Mike, tx you Kristina Rosette:Numerous unaffiliated providers already exist. vicky sheckler:unfortunately need to drop off Mary Wong:Thanks, Vicky Don Blumenthal:Susan K? Kathy:It's our fault (Whois Review Team) - and we talked about Best Practices too (for p/p) Kathy:Escrow can be done privately - with access to the keys by ICANN in the case of emergency/breach/failure Susan Kawaguchi:I agree with James Don Blumenthal:Thanks. I wanted ot make sure which Susan James meant. We have nore than one in the WG. steve metalitz:RAA 2013 already requires escrow of customer data on proxy registrations made by registrar or affiliates in connection with the registration. 3.4.1.5 and 3.6 . Kathy:@steve: true, but I wonder why Mike Z had questions about disclosure of u nderlying data in the advent of a p/p provider failure Kathy:? Libby Baney:@Steve +1 re need for articulated standard Kathy:to summarize: choices for p/p terms of service may include both publication and/or takedown (and the customer may have a say in that) Mary Wong:@Steve, @Kathy, from our review of the sampled providers who responded, very few distinguish specifically between publication and disclosure in terms of which ground will lead to which. steve metalitz:@Kathy: (1) Agree that service provider failure is a separate question (2) re alternative remedies for termination (other than publication), do any providers currently provide them? Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:If terminated, surely publication is unavoidable? Graeme Bunton:thanks James Mary Wong:@Lindsay, that seems to be the case, if one simply reviews the T&Cs we received. At least one provider makes that explicit ie tells the customer outright in its T&Cs that this is the case. Amr Elsadr:@Michele: Not sure why you feel a choice between publication/disclosure and takedown is messy. A registrant could be given the choice, right? That would mean the decision is not the service provider's. Have I misunderstood what you were saying? Kathy:@Steve and All, let's go back to old notes on this topic -- and summaries of agreement Kathy:I was just typing what James is saying: disclosure first then publication... Mary Wong:@Kathy, did you mean sub-question (d) (on screen now)? Mary Wong:Oops, I meant (c) not (d) Kathy:@Mary, yes! Amr Elsadr:@James: +1. Especially with making the distinction between the context of the situation (misdemeanor vs. fellony). steve metalitz:I think James was using "felony" and "misdemeanor" metaphorically and not literally. Michele Neylon:@Amr if you paid for services using a stolen credit card you don't have any rights Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Thanks Mary. Amr Elsadr:@Michele: Thanks. Understood. Yes..., of course, which is why the context makes a difference. Kathy:Interesting call today! Bladel:SOrry, I have a hard stop at the top fo the hour. THanks everyone. Kathy:Many good issues touched on Kathy:Tx Don and all! Mary Wong:Please let us know if you have any other questions for Amy and Mike. Graeme Bunton:thanks all Luc Seufer:merci Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.