New subject: Statement in Support of Transactional Distinction

April 30, 2015

      I hope that we can agree that a desire to present a balanced viewpoint of the deliberations of a PDP is certainly not 'obstructionist bullshit', we may differ on what that viewpoint is but surely we are all working to a common goal here? Or am I naive in my approach to this? We are all supposed to be working for the best interest of Internet users according to https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2012-05-15-en it even specifically calls it out:
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Act in a reasonable, objective and informed manner when participating in policy development and decision-making processes. This includes regularly attending all scheduled meetings and exercising  independent judgment >based solely on what is in the overall best interest of Internet users and the stability and security of the Internet's system of unique identifiers, irrespective of personal interests and the interests of the entity to which an >individual might owe their appointment.
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Listen to the views of all stakeholders when considering policy issues. ICANN is a unique multi-stakeholder environment. Those who take part in the ICANN process must acknowledge the importance of all stakeholders and >seek to understand their points of view.
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Work to build consensus with other stakeholders in order to find solutions to the issues that fall within the areas of ICANN's responsibility. The ICANN model is based on a bottom-up, consensus driven approach to policy >development. Those who take part in the ICANN process must take responsibility for ensuring the success of the model by trying to build consensus with other participants.
This is my first PDP, as I am still a newcomer to ICANN, so maybe I have not gotten weary in my approach to these things but I stand by my conviction that we are all here for the common good and feel that we should be attempting to work with each other and not against each other. And I hope I'm not the only one who thinks that.

I'm done for today.

-James

-----Original Message-----
From: Kiran Malancharuvil [mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 6:49 PM
To: James Gannon
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Statement in Support of Transactional Distinction

Please don't clutter my inbox with private messages that have no value in advancing the goal of including a fair representation of all viewpoints. If you have something to say, say it on the list.

I don't have time for this obstructionist bullshit, and I have no desire to keep it civil when you and others are wasting my time. 

K

Kiran Malancharuvil 
Internet Policy Counselor
MarkMonitor
415-419-9138 (m) 

Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
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On Apr 30, 2015, at 10:46 AM, James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net> wrote:
Kiran I have no issue with you including a statement, or interest in 'silencing' your right to do so, I just ask that it be clear that it's a statement of an individual not of the WG.
Let's keep things civil and try and work together to get this over the hill.
-James
-----Original Message-----
From: Kiran Malancharuvil [mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 6:44 PM
To: James Gannon
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Statement in Support of Transactional Distinction
Apologies for your intent? To silence opposition? Yeah... No thanks.
K
Kiran Malancharuvil
Internet Policy Counselor
MarkMonitor
415-419-9138 (m)
Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
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On Apr 30, 2015, at 10:42 AM, James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net> wrote:
Sent a clarification there just missed a word, my mistake, the intent of the message stands.
Thanks and apologies
-James
-----Original Message-----
From: Kiran Malancharuvil [mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 6:41 PM
To: James Gannon
Cc: Metalitz, Steven; mary.wong@icann.org; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Statement in Support of Transactional 
Distinction
Any single member of the wg can submit. There is not (and was not) time to solicit formal approval from an SG. Also, membership in an SG/AC/C is not a prerequisite to participation in a wg.
K
Kiran Malancharuvil
Internet Policy Counselor
MarkMonitor
415-419-9138 (m)
Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
On Apr 30, 2015, at 10:39 AM, James Gannon <james@cyberinvasion.net<mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net>> wrote:
Sorry but my understanding is that accompanying statements should be on behalf of a group (Be it AC/SO/Constituency) and not deem to speak on behalf of the group.
This statement will be highly confusing to the public as it makes it appear that the PPSAI WG endorses its contents.
-James
From: 
gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@i
cann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of 
Kiran Malancharuvil
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 6:10 PM
To: Metalitz, Steven; mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org>
Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>
Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Statement in Support of Transactional 
Distinction
Please include the attached statement in support of the transactional distinction.  It was prepared by a number of the proponents of this provision.
Thank you.
Best,
Kiran
From: Metalitz, Steven [mailto:met@msk.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 9:28 AM
To: Kiran Malancharuvil
Cc: Graeme Bunton; 
gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>
Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI Comment Period and Section 
1.3.3
Kiran,
Of course you (and any other member of the WG) can submit a separate statement today and can include in it whatever you wish.  We have asked that statements be limited to 1-2 pages if at all possible.
Steve
From: Kiran Malancharuvil [mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 12:26 PM
To: Metalitz, Steven
Cc: Graeme Bunton; 
gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI Comment Period and Section 
1.3.3
Steve,
I'm not sure I understand what is being proposed here.
Are we still able to submit our statement (the deadline is today)? Are we allowed to link to the white paper in our statement?
What links are to be provided? Just a link to the mailing list archive and call transcripts? That would not be appropriate. Asking folks to sort through the emails/calls looking for relevant information means that it will be essentially buried and inaccessible.
K
Kiran Malancharuvil
Internet Policy Counselor
MarkMonitor
415-419-9138 (m)
Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
On Apr 30, 2015, at 8:38 AM, Metalitz, Steven <met@msk.com<mailto:met@msk.com<mailto:met@msk.com%3cmailto:met@msk.com>>> wrote:
Graeme and I have asked staff to insert a footnote in this section, providing links to the extensive discussions of the topic in WG meetings (telephonic and face to face) and on the mailing list, as background for the public.
Steve
From: 
gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@i
cann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org%3cmailto:gnso-ppsa
i-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org>> 
[mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Graeme 
Bunton
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:14 AM
To: 
gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:
gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org%3cmailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI Comment Period and Section 
1.3.3
Steve, myself and staff are discussing how to proceed while ensuring that balance is maintained.
Thank you all for your contributions.
Graeme
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On 2015-04-30 11:02 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
So let me get this very very clear, as i am new to the process.
1. The research report you offered was sent to the list.
2. It has never been part of the record.
3. You wish to see it added now, April 30th, 23:58 KST.
4, You are telling me I could have done the same thing.
5. I have Exactly how much time to submit a minority report in order 
to comply with the deadline of April 30th?
Thanks for the clarifications.
Stephanie
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On 2015-04-30 23:52, Kiran Malancharuvil wrote:
Stephanie,
You had ample opportunity to prepare and present a white paper of 
your own.
It was not unsolicited, as at any time, members of the group are 
welcome and encouraged to present their views on the matter under 
discussion.
Are you really saying that a well researched policy position and a 
presentation of that research is NOT meant to be a part of the PDP 
process? I really do not think that it the case.
I know that you object to the position that the white paper 
explains, but unless there is a concrete prohibition on linking to 
it (staff?) it needs to be included, as we have every right to 
present the complex legal argument behind our position.
Kiran Malancharuvil
Internet Policy Counselor
MarkMonitor
415-419-9138 (m)
Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
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On Apr 30, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Stephanie Perrin 
<stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca%3cmailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>>> wrote:
With great respect to Kiran and to the law firm that compiled the 
"white paper", I objected at the time and there was no indication 
that we accepted the white paper in our discussions, other than to 
say thanks. I would object strenuously to it being included. That 
was a totally unsolicited contribution from parties wishing to 
advance their case. You cannot attach that paper, without giving 
those on the other side an opportunity to counter it with another 
white paper. Frankly, the PDP process is not supposed to be about 
dualling unsolicited white papers. IF we need to have research 
done, we have to agree on what needs to be done if it is to be 
attached to the official call for comments. I don't wish to be 
ungracious, but the paper should not be added.
Stephanie Perrin
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On 2015-04-30 23:34, Kiran Malancharuvil wrote:
It is a recommendation for a policy/best practice from a portion 
of the group.
K
Kiran Malancharuvil
Internet Policy Counselor
MarkMonitor
415-419-9138 (m)
Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
> On Apr 30, 2015, at 7:33 AM, James Gannon 
> <james@cyberinvasion.net<mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net<mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net%3cmailto:james@cyberinvasion.net>>> wrote:
> 
> Unless we are suggesting that the whitepaper is consensus policy 
> or best practice it does not fall under that category. We are 
> presenting our policy recommendation already, which is the work 
> product of the group
> 
> -James
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kiran Malancharuvil
> [mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:31 PM
> To: James Gannon
> Cc: Mary Wong; PPSAI
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI Comment Period and Section
> 1.3.3
> 
> Recommendations for policies, guidelines, best practices.
> 
> Kiran Malancharuvil
> Internet Policy Counselor
> MarkMonitor
> 415-419-9138 (m)
> 
> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
> 
>> On Apr 30, 2015, at 7:29 AM, James Gannon 
>> <james@cyberinvasion.net<mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net<mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net%3cmailto:james@cyberinvasion.net>>> wrote:
>> 
>> Quoting from the PDP Manual, there seems to be strong guidelines 
>> of what goes out with the Initial Report:
>> 
>>> After collection and review of information, the PDP Team and 
>>> Staff are responsible for producing an Initial Report. The 
>>> Initial Report should include the following elements:
>>> * Compilation of Stakeholder Group and Constituency Statements
>>> * Compilation of any statements received from any ICANN 
>>> Supporting Organization or Advisory Committee
>>> * Recommendations for policies, guidelines, best practices or 
>>> other proposals to address the issue
>>> * Statement of level of consensus for the recommendations 
>>> presented in the Initial Report
>>> * Information regarding the members of the PDP Team, such as 
>>> the attendance records, Statements of Interest, etc.
>>> * A statement on the WG discussion concerning impact of the 
>>> proposed recommendations, could consider areas such as 
>>> economic, competition, operations, privacy and other rights, 
>>> scalability and feasibility
>> I don't see where in that framework the whitepaper would sit. I 
>> would welcome others thoughts on this.
>> 
>> -James
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: 
>> gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bou
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>> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kiran 
>> Malancharuvil
>> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 3:09 PM
>> To: Mary Wong
>> Cc: PPSAI
>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI Comment Period and 
>> Section
>> 1.3.3
>> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> Since one side of this issue prepared a lengthy legal review to 
>> address this question, I would request that that white paper be 
>> included in the reference materials for the public comment. 
>> Since public comment is meant to "resolve" this issue, 
>> commenters need all of the information.
>> 
>> It's not just down to feasibility of self-declaration at 
>> registration (which frankly, many of us see as a cop out since 
>> it's already done in some TLDs), but also legality.
>> Not trying to re-open the debate, but please, let's make sure 
>> the community understands the various points and the background.
>> 
>> K
>> 
>> 
>> Kiran Malancharuvil
>> Internet Policy Counselor
>> MarkMonitor
>> 415-419-9138 (m)
>> 
>> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>> 
>> On Apr 30, 2015, at 6:58 AM, Mary Wong 
>> <mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org%3cmailto:mary.wong@icann.org<mailto:mary.wong@icann.org%3cmailto:mary.wong@icann.org%3cmailto:mary.wong@icann.org%3cmailto:mary.wong@icann.org>>>> wrote:
>> 
>> To add to Stephanie's note that this specific issue - whether 
>> registrants of domain names actively used for commercial 
>> transactions ought to be disallowed from using P/P services - 
>> had been discussed at some length by the WG:
>> 
>> Please note that this part of the Initial Report draws heavily 
>> on the detailed WG template for Charter Category C that was the 
>> basis for the WG's deliberations on this topic. That template 
>> contains lengthy descriptions of what had previously been termed 
>> the majority and minority positions on the WG's answer to this 
>> specific issue. As part of the WG's deliberations - which took 
>> place primarily between April and June 2014 - the more specific 
>> formulation of "transactional" to describe the sort of 
>> commercial (i.e. Involving financial transactions) activities 
>> that were being discussed was included in the language. All the 
>> templates and suggested formulations discussed by the WG are 
>> recorded and published on the WG wiki.
>> 
>> The WG ultimately agreed to retain the two positions in the 
>> Initial Report and to revisit the question during its review of 
>> the public comments received. As noted previously, the WG's 
>> views were presented to the community in London in June 2014 and 
>> again in Los Angeles in October 2014.
>> 
>> Therefore, the three questions in Section 1.3.3 of the Executive 
>> Summary only go toward soliciting community input on this single 
>> issue. They were not intended to represent a view of any "side"
>> in the WG with regard to this matter. If the WG prefers, we can 
>> add a sentence to clarify and specify the reason for the 
>> questions in Section 1.3.3. Fundamentally, the idea is that 
>> public comments will facilitate the WG's eventual resolution of 
>> this issue as part of its preparation of the Final Report.
>> 
>> We hope this reminder of the background is of assistance.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Mary
>> 
>> Mary Wong
>> Senior Policy Director
>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
>> Telephone: +1 603 574 4892
>> Email: 
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>> Date: Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 09:20
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>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI Comment Period and 
>> Section
>> 1.3.3
>> 
>> James, prior to you joining the group, we had discussed this at 
>> some length. IN fact, I really thought that the many reasons why 
>> sorting out the purpose of a registration is problematic had 
>> buried this debate, but apparently not. Some of the issues 
>> raised, according to my recollection were the following:
>> 
>> * names are registered prior to decisions about content
>> * content changes over time
>> * most countries regulate e-commerce in some fashion, so that 
>> website commercial activity does not have to be regulated by 
>> ICANN
>> * ICANN should not be in the business of regulating content in 
>> the first place (and sorting out who is extracting a material 
>> consideration from a website in order to deny them the ability 
>> to use a proxy registration is certainly a form of regulation)
>> * definitions of commercial activity vary widely around the 
>> world
>> * bad actors will not declare, registrars cannot police this 
>> matter
>> * criminal prosecution is not dependent on WHOIS information
>> * if this is really about the ability to detect market 
>> information, ICANN should not be in the business of making 
>> registrant information available for market purposes, it does it 
>> for security and stability.
>> * contactability remains, regardless of which registrant info 
>> appears in WHOIS
>> 
>> I am planning to reformulate these into questions to match the 
>> questions on the other side, suggestions welcome.
>> 
>> Stephanie Perrin
>> On 2015-04-30 16:24, James Gannon wrote:
>> I don't see this as asking providers to enforce anything similar 
>> to other questions when registering a domain, it's a 
>> self-reported assessment. All it does is add an additional 
>> branch to the decision tree for eligibility, which will already 
>> be there to determine eligibility due to the other reasons listed below.
>> The registrant is asked will you be processing financial 
>> transactions.
>> 
>> 
>> * Yes-->Will you be using a 3rd party>No>Not eligible for P/P.
>> 
>> * Yes-->Will you be using a 3rd party>Yes>Eligible for P/P.
>> 
>> 
>> I'm not asking registrars to enforce law but to see if a more 
>> finely grained eligibility process can be enacted. Or at least 
>> is there is public support for more granularity.
>> 
>> -James
>> From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight 
>> [mailto:michele@blacknight.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 8:17 AM
>> To: James Gannon; Graeme Bunton; PPSAI
>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI Comment Period and 
>> Section
>> 1.3.3
>> 
>> James
>> 
>> As a registrar or PP service provider how am I meant to assess this?
>> 
>> It doesn't scale
>> 
>> Seriously.
>> 
>> If, for example, there is an Irish operated website that is not 
>> complying with Irish law then it would be up to the ODCE 
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>> enforce any issues around data privacy etc., etc.,
>> 
>> Attempting to force registrars and PP providers to make these 
>> kind of evaluations is not going to work.
>> 
>> Issues like PCI-DSS compliance are matters that should be dealt 
>> with by the DPA and the banks.
>> 
>> Forcing registrars and PP providers to start getting involved in 
>> that kind of assessment isn't viable
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Michele
>> 
>> --
>> Mr Michele Neylon
>> Blacknight Solutions
>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
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>> -------------------------------
>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business 
>> Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 
>> 370845
>> 
>> From: James Gannon
>> Date: Thursday 30 April 2015 07:45
>> To: Graeme Bunton,
>> "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org%3cmailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org%3e><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org%3cmailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org%3e%3cmailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org%3cmailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org%3e%3e>"
>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI Comment Period and 
>> Section
>> 1.3.3
>> 
>> I would personally like to see if there is public traction for 
>> distinguishing between sites directly processing financial 
>> truncations and sites who use 3rd parties for processing 
>> financial transactions as this is a very important distinction. 
>> A simple and I hope non-controversial additional question to the 
>> ones below:
>> If so, should domains which use a third party to process 
>> financial transactions (i.e Paypal, Stripe), and thus do not 
>> directly process financial information, be subject to the same 
>> restrictions?
>> There are strong existing distinctions both in national laws and 
>> in regulations such as PCI-DSS between these two forms.
>> 
>> -James Gannon
>> From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ppsai-pdp-wg-bou
>> n 
>> ces@icann.org><mailto:ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org><mailto:gns
>> o -ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> 
>> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Graeme 
>> Bunton
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:17 PM
>> To: PPSAI
>> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI Comment Period and Section
>> 1.3.3
>> 
>> Thanks to all WG members for a very productive call earlier 
>> today(and to Steve for his chairing acumen). The co-chairs and 
>> staff met this afternoon to tie down two loose ends from the call.
>> 
>> Regarding the deadline for public comments on the Initial 
>> Report, we recognize there is considerable support for extending 
>> the public comment period to 60 days instead of the standard 40 
>> days on which we have all been planning. We are prepared to 
>> agree to this, but with the caveat that this will have 
>> repercussions on the pace and intensity of our work once public 
>> comments have been received. Specifically, if the public comment 
>> deadline is extended until July 3 (60 days after our publication 
>> date of May 4), we will need to plan on at least weekly calls 
>> throughout July and August, some of which may need to be more 
>> than an hour in length, to review these comments and move toward a Final Report.
>> Otherwise, we jeopardize the prospects for getting the Final 
>> Report in front of the GNSO council no later than the Dublin 
>> ICANN meeting. As was noted on the call today, many additional 
>> steps need to take place even after this WG issues its Final 
>> Report before any new accreditati
on
system can be implemented, so the time pressure imposed by the 
expiration of the Interim Specification at the end of next year is 
already real.
>> Also, as previously announced over the past few weeks, if any WG 
>> members (or group of members) wish to submit a brief separate or 
>> additional statement for inclusion in the package posted for 
>> public comment next Monday, such statements need to be received 
>> by staff no later than Thursday, April 30.
>> 
>> Lastly, the other loose end involves proposed revisions to 
>> section 1.3.3 of the Initial Report, which were presented on the 
>> call earlier today but which we did not have time to discuss 
>> fully. We agree that this section could benefit from some 
>> revision, but believe it should take the form of greater 
>> concision, not additional presentation of arguments for the 
>> divergent positions. Thus we suggest that section 1.3.3 be 
>> revised to read as follows:
>> 
>> ---
>> Although the WG agreed that the mere fact that a domain name is 
>> registered by a commercial entity or by anyone conducting 
>> commercial activity should not preclude the use of P/P services 
>> , there was disagreement over whether domain names that are 
>> actively used for commercial transactions (e.g. the sale or 
>> exchange of goods or services) should be prohibited from using 
>> P/P services. While most WG members did not believe such a 
>> prohibition is necessary or practical, some members believed 
>> that registrants of such domain names should not be able to use 
>> or continue using proxy or privacy services.
>> 
>> For those that argued that it is necessary and practical to 
>> limit access to P/P services to exclude commercial entities, the 
>> following text was proposed to clarify and define their position:
>> "domains used for online financial transactions for commercial 
>> purpose should be ineligible for privacy and proxy registrations."
>> 
>> Public comment is therefore specifically invited on the 
>> following
>> questions:
>> 
>> * Should registrants of domain names associated with commercial 
>> activities and which are used for online financial transactions 
>> be prohibited from using, or continuing to use, privacy and 
>> proxy services?
>> * If so, will it be useful to adopt a definition of "commercial" 
>> or "transactional" to define those domains for which P/P service 
>> registrations should be disallowed? And if so, what should the
>> definition(s) be?"
>> * Will it be necessary to make a distinction in the WHOIS data 
>> fields to be displayed as a result?
>> ---
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Graeme Bunton & Steve Metalitz
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> _________________________
>> 
>> Graeme Bunton
>> 
>> Manager, Management Information Systems
>> 
>> Manager, Public Policy
>> 
>> Tucows Inc.
>> 
>> PH: 416 535 0123 ext 1634
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Statement in Support of Transactional Distinction

James Gannon

Kiran Malancharuvil

Jennifer Gore Standiford

Kiran Malancharuvil

Jennifer Gore Standiford

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