Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 14 July 2015 at 14:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-14jul15-en.mp3<http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=NrFWbrBstcrPWP369qgbqlXiSKeL20xnUXzI03ZqpssD-2BDEZjqFs7c5ZAyLRqC5W4WkxxEqloUTxNSxJ3a3Drg-3D-3D_nEX-2FaOijqgcJlSz5SkmueJu3tRbmaDiuX89gT35tStEeSHP9whdoceObpMxYsFLQddiMZpQjIv8dk6BsBGSJXH7VWN4SGLCJgbGKCk6E-2FTErjF4OKNQt65Dk9NF54IJ9kQpmDNySj7bbNz9G4dXi5BgbCZotTx8KNfyeB0z00f8KsMfETeTNKd7vy2kKI7tttQUIwid4NAhxXgT3nZYwmofI8SQ-2BdYYUtGQylCNT2C2qlRTO5wzj9tfy3yLWKyyUJN-2BHrmR-2F3YvArSUJJlaMJff1qyZNuoVn5MXi-2FWFl2MdxMb5KHU5r2ifWblkbptX9dHMp06jKypB-2FLTQe1sD3bpnihH-2F1afXfWh5VeIH31AUgexnqyp4tiG3nQ5sARLU-2BnZryJ-2B-2F-2F4Y8EnjS-2F9jTAGwYNNox1O7tkJiA-2BWWqOuGpvNFkPeZ1cOoI6GKbE4ZoC0cFI1TGma-2FRk5-2BdA6NoYp8A2B4Dm7msCOrd9lK4zAYhsyRhmoegFmqZwH4YYdqKs> On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jul The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Frank Michlick - Individual Val Sherman - IPC Griffin Barnett - IPC Kathy Kleiman - NCSG Darcy Southwell - RrSG Steve Metalitz - IPC Alex Deacon -IPC Stephanie Perrin - NCSG Phil Corwin - BC Terri Stumme - BC Susan Kawaguchi - BC Chris Pelling - RrSG Roger Carney - RrSG James Bladel - RrSG Sarah Wyld - RrSG Todd Williams - IPC Paul McGrady - IPC Vicky Sheckler - IPC Lindsay Hamilton-Reid - RrSG Graeme Bunton - RrSG Don Blumenthal - RySG Sara Bockey - RrSG Keith Kupferschmid - IPC Amr Elsadr-NCUC James Gannon - NCUC Rudi Vansnick - NPOC David Hughes - IPC Carlton Samuels - ALAC Apologies : Michele Neylon - RrSG Holly Raiche - ALAC Susan Prosser - RrSG ICANN staff: Mary Wong Marika Konings Amy Bivins Stephen Miller Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 14 July 2015 Terri Agnew: Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 14 July 2015 Chris Pelling:Afternoon all :) Chris Pelling:Hi Terri and Mary Terri Agnew:Hi Chris Chris Pelling:can you zoom in on the document please Terri Agnew:Sync has been turned on, zoom should work for everyone Chris Pelling:ta :) Chris Pelling:I heard that :) Chris Pelling:the shared document has "vanished" by the way Mary Wong:@Chris, sorry, I was uploading something else. Which document were you in the midst of reading? Chris Pelling:just the one that was here, I was busy fiddling to get it on the screen at max res so I dont have to move it around :) Graeme Bunton:Mary, think you could bring up the workplan to start please? Graeme Bunton:thx! Graeme Bunton:brb Graeme Bunton:back Bladel:Hi Don! Don Blumenthal:Hello James Kathy K:Hi All! Chris Pelling:HI Don :) Terri Agnew:Paul McGrady and Vicky Sheckler has joined Terri Agnew:Susan Kawaguchi has joined audio Don Blumenthal:Gee,, you'd think I've been gone for awhke, :) Terri Agnew:Stephanie Perrin has joined Stephanie Perrin:I agree with what James and Kathy have said.....if we cannot make this deadline, we will just have to miss the deadline. This is an accountability issue folks. Terri Agnew:James Gannon has joined James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Sorry Im late guys Terri Agnew:Rudi Vansnick has joined Rudi Vansnick:sorry for being late, adobe connect issues Amr Elsadr:Ok. A link to the public comment review tool might be good enough. Thanks. Rudi Vansnick:please note I'm replacing Marie-Laure Lemineur / NPOC in this WG Terri Agnew:@Rudi, thank you for this Don Blumenthal:Welcone to the group, Rudi Kathy K:+1 James - as it incorporates all comment input Rudi Vansnick (NPOC):thanks Don Terri Agnew:David Hughes has joined audio Kathy K:+1 James G: our timeline was developed around the usual 7-15 comments received... Amr Elsadr:@James: +1. Review of public comments for other WGs have commonly taken longer than three calls with far fewer comments than the ones submitted here. Bladel:Agree. And aside from the volume of comments, we should also ackonwledge the media attention. Bladel:Not sure if Stephanie is responding to my intervention but that's not exactly what I was proposing. Amr Elsadr:@James: The media attention is a good point. It might not be a bad idea for the leadership team to draft some sort of statement describing how the comments were reviewed/incorporated once we're done. Not sure if this has ever beed done before. Stephanie Perrin:Actually James, I was more responding to the comments that Steve Metalitz had submitted to the comments period, I think I understand what you were driving at but perhaps you should give it another go.... Vicky Sheckler:i engourage you to read the COA comments as they relate to the petition entries Bladel:@Amr - Good idea. They should coordinate with the STaff /Communications team. Mary Wong:@Amr, the co-chairs have agreed to do a blog post about our process, to follow up on David Olive's on the PDP from last week Amr Elsadr:@Mary: Great. :) Carlton Samuels:Howdy all Carlton Samuels:Had a time getting here James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Im not sure about subgroups analysing comments, comment analysis is usually done in the whole Stephanie Perrin:Glad you made it Carlton, I have to leave in a minute so you can have my proxy (joke) Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: More input is a great success +1 Carlton Samuels:@Steph I am so honoured :-) Marika Konings:@James - in the CWG the sub-team / design team approach worked pretty well to aid with the review of comments Chris Pelling:I totally agree with James G Marika Konings:CWG-Stewardship I should say ;-) James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Mariks yes but the DT's where about the size of this whole WG in many cases Marika Konings:mmm, I don't think that is true...most of the DT only consisted of 3-4 active members. Marika Konings:and in any case, anything would always come back to the full group for review Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:I have to leave now, apologies Amr Elsadr:I'm guessing that using sub-teams will actually take longer. Sub-team review of comments will have to be reviewed a second time by the rest of the WG members. If enough questions and changes to the initial review are asked/made, it might be quicker for the whole group to just go through them once. Terri Agnew:goodbye Lindsay Marika Konings:@Amr - from experience, most discussion typically relates to WG action that is recommended based on the comments received, not necessarily formulating responses to comments that may not require further action. Kathy K:Tx for all of this work, Mary! Marika Konings:the formulatiing of responses is also something that can be done online (e.g. creation of a wiki page or google document that can be used for collaboration and formulation of responses) James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Marika, Im not vehementaly against it, but I'd have to see the mechanisms by how we would approach it in detial to ensure that we dont lose anything in the process Stephanie Perrin:Yes indeed, thanks to everyone who has been toiling away on this, a tremendous amount of work. James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Yes staff are doing fantastic! Stephanie Perrin:Sorry have to run! Will check the audio. Marika Konings:@James - yes, agreed. Just putting out some ideas on how the group can manage it effectively in efficiently without necessarily having to go through each line of text on a call with everyone on. Marika Konings:and yes, Mary's work should hopefully assist with that :-) James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:=) We woud be lucky to finish by 2117 if we did that =) Kathy K:@Marika: do you have a wiki example of what you are referencing - it would be great to see how wikis have been used Marika Konings:Exactly! :-) Marika Konings:let me check - I think some of the CWG-Stewardship DTs used google docs, but there may also have been wiki pages. Kathy K:Great, tx Kathy K:! Bladel:Thanks to Graeme & the folks at Tucows for putting this together. Alex Deacon:This is very helpful Graene - thanks for putting this togehter. Mary Wong:Sorry it's taking so long to upload - it's a huge spreadsheet; you should all have it in email. James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Not machine generated, lets be careful about or classification of those comments guys. Philip Corwin:I'm not seeing Graeme's spreadsheet -- will it be distributed? steve metalitz:@Phil it was sent to list last night. Philip Corwin:OK, will search mail for it Amr Elsadr:Good catch Kathy. steve metalitz:@Kathy, good point, but filtering for attachments should help avoid that problem. Philip Corwin:Found the doc. Thanks Graeme Marika Konings:@Kathy - here is a CWG-Stewardship example: https://community.icann.org/x/2RwnAw. Staff identified which comments were relevant to DT O (IANA Budget), the design team then collaborated via email and teleconference to identify draft responses to the comments and recommended to the CWG which action should be taken based on the comments received in the final proposal. The CWG would then either adopt the proposed approach or discuss any items it did not agree with or had questions about. Mary Wong:The idea is still that people will look through the whole spreadsheet and flag comemnts that should be addressed by the WG rather than "collapsed" James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:12000 rows of goodness =) James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:I think we broke adobe Mary Wong::) Kathy K:@Marika: interesting. Definitely a great model! Vicky Sheckler:+1 to metalitz' suggestion Carlton Samuels:I can't hear Steve at all! Graeme Bunton:He's loud and clear to me, Carlton Chris Pelling:Graeme, SteveM is quite quiet oover here too iun the UK Chris Pelling:yes I would prefer extending the call Todd Williams:Steve's approach makes sense. Can we divide into those three groups on the email list and then go from there? James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:We need to discuss the process before we go any further on the subteams approach Vicky Sheckler:agree with Todd Carlton Samuels:I prefer furhter categorisation then we should take the committee of the whole approach; means we might have to extend the calls Philip Corwin:I would prefer longer calls as opposed to additional calls. Bladel:Need to drop. Sorry. Don Blumenthal:I think that we need to post alterbatives to then ertire group before moving forward. Carlton Samuels:It will require some tight call management but we have good managers Darcy Southwell:I would prefer longer calls rather than more calls, too. Sara Bockey:need to drop. sorry Chris Pelling:Many thanks to all :) have a great week ahead and will see the comments in the emails :) Marika Konings:You could consider doing a test case for one specific category? Marika Konings:and see whether it works Chris Pelling:Thanks Graeme Kathy K:Tx for the call today, Graeme and All! Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye. James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:That might be a good ap[proach marika take a smple one and try it Carlton Samuels:Bye all Rudi Vansnick (NPOC):thanks, bye all Carlton Samuels:Thanks Graeme have a good time Darcy Southwell:Thanks all!