With correct mailing list archive list and wiki home page. Apologies for the confusion and thank you Michele for pointing it out. Kind regards Nathalie From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:35 PM To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org> Cc: gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 21 January 2014 at 1500 UTC Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 21 January 2014 at 15:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140121-en.mp3 (mp3 has 40 mins hold music, it will be re-edited on this same url by COB today) On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may>jan The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Don Blumenthal - RySG Luc Seufer - RrSG Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC Michele Neylon - RrSG Volker Greimann - RrSG Griffin Barnett - IPC Justin Macy - CBUC Kathy Kleiman - RySG Jim Bikoff - IPC Maria Farrell - NCUC Graeme Bunton - RrSG Tatiana Khramstova - RrSG John Horton - BC Nic Steinbach - RrSG Tim Ruiz - RrSG Roy Balleste - NCUC David Heasley - IPC James Bladel - RrSG Susan Prosser - RrSG Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC Gordon Dick - RrSG David Cake - NCSG Sarah Wyld - no SOI as of yet Todd Williams - IPC Statton Hammock - RySG Valeriya Sherman - IPC Alex Deacon - IPC Steve Metalitz - IPC Phil Marano - IPC Amr Elsadr - NCUC Apologies: Holly Raiche - ALAC Gema Campillos - GAC Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP Tobias Sattler - RrSG Kristina Rosette - IPC ICANN staff: Marika Konings Mary Wong Joe Catapano Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie Peregrine Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 21 January 2014: Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI Meeting of 21 January 2014 Statton_H (Rightside):Seattle or Denver, people? Statton_H (Rightside):There is only one right answer.... Michele Neylon:no Michele Neylon:there's also the "who gives a damn" option John Horton:Good morning! M:afternoon! Bladel:Don't you open your mouth to me about the Best! Luc Seufer:Manchester city! (real football) M:ah... I get it. Munster. The Irish one. Obv. Bladel:Dont come at me with a weak receiver like Crabtree! Bladel:(god i love that interview) Kathy:It's beginning to snow here in DC. If you stop seeing my posts on the list, you'll know I'm buried... Statton_H (Rightside):"Mediocre." Crabtree is "mediocre" was the quote. Graeme Bunton:back Luc Seufer:We'll send you a St Bernard, Kathy Kathy:With scotch please! Volker Greimann:just made it Luc Seufer:deal! Kathy::-) Bladel:No I have to go back and check. Nathalie Peregrine:Nic Steinbach has also just joined Tim Ruiz:We could solve the commercial/noncommercial issue with bets on the game? M:Oh yikes, 'M' is me: Maria Farrell. Sorry, adobe connect has done something odd when I logged in. It's still meeee....... Nathalie Peregrine:I ll update your name now M:tks, nathalie Nathalie Peregrine:Sarah Wyld joined the call Nathalie Peregrine:Jim Bikoff id on the audio bridge Nathalie Peregrine:Marie-laure Lemineur has joined the call Tim Ruiz:I still don't have any control of it. Nathalie Peregrine:Kiran Malancharuvil has joined the audio bridge Nathalie Peregrine:David Cake has joined the AC room Nathalie Peregrine:Please mute your laptop speakers Mary Wong:If you are having trouble with the AC audio, please use the phone bridge. Marika Konings:@Kathy - those questions were reviewed and updated based on input received from the GNSO Council prior to adoption Mary Wong:To confirm: Marika is speaking about the Word document containing the latest (16 Jan) Grouping of Charter questions, incorporating Kathy's, Luc's, John's and others' suggestions as of that date in bullet poiints. Nathalie Peregrine:Phil Marano ha sjoined the AC room Mary Wong:We will add that to the WG wiki for your convenience as well. Nathalie Peregrine:Amr Elsadr has joined the AC room Mary Wong:It may also be helpful to look at the original Staff Paper of Sept 2013, which sets out all the questions that ultimately became the Charter questions. All of them are correlated in a chart in the staff paper to specific recommendations from prior GNSO and WHOIS RT work that were "left" for the PDP after the close of the RAA negotiations. Amr Elsadr:Sorry for joining the call so late. Had another call that ran late. Nathalie Peregrine:Please mute your phone lines and AC mikes as we are getting background noise Volker Greimann:Steve is hard to hear Nathalie Peregrine:i have asked the audio operator to boost his line steve metalitz:Agree with Don these should be on mind map but as staff has done -- as issues under each question. Maria Farrell:Hi Don, I can't speak into the call so can yo uplease take this as a comment / question: we were invited to edit the documnent and we have done that. It would be disheartening if these aren't reflected in the mind map also. Marika Konings:@Maria - the initial edits / comments have been reflected (but WG members are invited to add if we've missed any) Maria Farrell:Our edits are to try and help correct what seem to some of us to be unbalanced questions, and make them more useful. The charter isn't set in stone - if it has less useful aspects then we are trying to fix them Marika Konings:as said, these have been included in blue (as issues/questions to be considered in relation to each charter question) Kathy:@ Marika, my edits could not have been reflected in the mind map due to timing Kathy:So more to do! Marika Konings:Yes, and that is why we would like to invite everyone to review the document referred to before (which we'll send out again after this call) to add questions / issues to (but not in the form of actual edits to the charter questions) Marie-laure Lemineur -NPOC:sounds like extra time is needed to add the last edits Kathy sent last night... Maria Farrell:Can I please have my comments included as I cannot join the queue to speak? Marika Konings:Mary & I are happy to have a look at the edits Kathy suggested to see if we can translate these to issues / questions, if that is preferred? steve metalitz:Not clear how examining registrar accreditation process would be within scope -- perhaps Tim could explain further on the list. Kathy:@Marika, that's a great idea, and I am happy to assist (answer questions, reasoning, etc) Michele Neylon:What's registrar accreditation got to do with this PDP? Amr Elsadr:Apologies if I brought up something that was previously discussed. My question is about clarification on context to the questions. Todd Williams:Agree with Marika: these edits appear to be sub-issues under each question, not new questions. Maria Farrell:Todd, they are attempts to re-balance questions that are embedded with unbalanced assumptions. Mary Wong:@Todd, that was what we (staff) were trying to capture - via the latest Grouping document (16 Jan), from which these blue sub-points on the Mind Map were taken. Todd Williams:Thanks Mary. Yes, I think that's a good idea. Tim Ruiz:The charter allows for additional "questions" or issues to be asked/raised. So the questions should not be viewed as a closed book. steve metalitz:Aren't these really questions to ourselves at this point? Issues that we should address in answering the charter questions. Amr Elsadr:@Steve: Sure, but no harm in getting community input as well. Tim Ruiz:@Amr, we are not still talking about the letters we are sending, are we? Kathy:@Don, I'm still confused. Both of the documents we are working on now are foundation documents. Please feel free to note "questions added to charter questions" with a * or other notation. B Amr Elsadr:@Tim: Aren't we. I pretty much walked into the middle of the converstation. Apologies if I've created any confusion. Had the NCSG monthly call before joining this one. Kathy:But we need some additional questions... and again we were invited to edit... Marika Konings:@Kathy - you are invited to add ;-) Maria Farrell:I thought she already had? Nathalie Peregrine:Kristina Rosette sends her apology for today's call Kathy:Tx Marika! Maria Farrell:Agree with TIm - I am horribly confused at the progress of this discussion. Amr Elsadr:Apologies to all then. I thought we were talking about the letters. Mary Wong:All, to clarify - staff will update the Mind Map periodically to reflect changes/updates to the charter and other tasks/questions. Amr Elsadr:Thanks for the clarification, Tim. Mary Wong:The document we were referring to is the Grouping of Charter Questions document (16 Jan), which we will upload to the WG wiki so you can download and edit (and upload thereafter). Nathalie Peregrine:Tobias Sattler is also an apology for today's call Marika Konings:As said, we'll aim to incorporate Kathy's edits / questions into the word document and send that out to the whole WG for review and other additions / comments Tim Ruiz:@Amr, no problem, I was confused anyway. Marika Konings:I'll put up the document we are referring to now Tim Ruiz:Thanks Mary. Nathalie Peregrine:Susan Prosser is also on the audio bridge Kathy:Hi All, this does not include the work done over the weekend and posted yesterday -- overlap of work and people and energy! Kathy:That's a good problem to have, but I think there is a merger issue involved. Kathy:Happy to work with Marika and Mary on this.. Mary Wong:@Kathy, thanks. We were not able to incorporate your suggestions from yesterday in time to have the WG review it for today, having sent out the 16 Jan version. As Marika has indicated, we will do so after today and make the revised document available to everyone to review. Maria Farrell:sorry, items 1, 2 and 3 on what document / agenda? Graeme Bunton:i believe it is Maria Farrell:hello? confusion re. what next week is about Graeme Bunton:The current agenda, Maria Maria Farrell:is done reading the chat? Kathy:Tx Don for the discussion! Maria Farrell:Don, items 1 - 3 on what document are for next week? Maria Farrell:I CAN"T participate on the phone..... Maria Farrell:Is this the sound of one hand typing? Kathy:@Mary - tx! Maria Farrell:ok but 1 is roll call... Maria Farrell:tks Graeme for raising my question! Graeme Bunton:NP Maria Farrell:tks all Graeme Bunton:Thanks Don Tim Ruiz:Bye! Justin Macy:Thanks! Bye. Luc Seufer:bye all Amr Elsadr:OK. Thanks everyone. Apologies about being late once more. Marie-laure Lemineur -NPOC:bye all