Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 06 January 2015 at 15:00 UTC. at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20150106-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jan The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Frank Michlick - Individual Justin Macy - BC Val Sherman - IPC Theo Geurts - RrSG Stephanie Perrin - NCSG James Bladel - RrSG Griffin Barnett - IPC Kathy Kleiman - NCSG Phil Corwin - BC Richard Leaning - no SOI Darcy Southwell - RrSG Todd Williams - IPC David Heasley - IPC Paul McGrady - IPC Volker Greimann - RrSG Chris Pelling - RrSG Steve Metalitz - IPC Graeme Bunton - RrSG Vicky Scheckler - IPC Holly Raiche - ALAC Carlton Samuels - ALAC Luc Seufer - RrSG Susan Kawaguchi - BC Alex Deacon -IPC Keith Kupferschmid - IPC Christain Dawson - ISPCP Apologies : Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP Sarah Wyld - RrSG Don Blumenthal - RySG Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC John Horton - BC ICANN staff: Mary Wong Marika Konings Daniela Andela Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 06 January 2015 Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting on the 06 January 2015 Graeme Bunton:That's an old agenda, no? Holly Raiche:The agenda does say 23 December and doesn't reflect the email spelling out what would happen on this call Mary Wong:Hi Graeme and Holly (aka early birds! :) - all fixed now :) Theo Geurts:greetings all. Graeme Bunton:Waiting another minute or two for stragglers richard leaning:hello all Terri Agnew:@Graeme, we are unable to hear you vicky sheckler:hi Terri Agnew:Welcome Vicky Sheckler and Keith Kupferschmid Keith Kupferschmid:sorry for joining late Terri Agnew:Welcome Stephanie Perrin and Frank Michlick Frank Michlick:Sorry for being late. Terri Agnew:Phil Corwin has joined audio Theo Geurts::) Terri Agnew:Welcome Chris Pelling Philip Corwin:Good morning all. 2nd of 3 ICANN calls today vicky sheckler:FWIW, i think its better to wait Chris Pelling:Sorry I am late Chris Pelling:Afternoon all Kathy:+1 James Christian Dawson:Apologize for tardiness Holly Raiche:Just a remindere that the existing specification is in force until 2017! Chris Pelling:Yeah, rushing this is not a good idea vicky sheckler:agree w/ chris vicky sheckler:i will be at the intersessional val sherman:+1 Steve -- we really haven't focused on reveal as much as on other areas. I support waiting to more fully develop our positions on this subject. val sherman:I will be at intercessional Holly Raiche:I'll be on the call steve metalitz:I will be at intersessional Darcy Southwell:I'll be on the call Mary Wong:Even without a WG call next week there will still be three more WG calls before Singapore Kathy:I'll be at intersessional Theo Geurts:i'll be on call Todd Williams:I'll be away richard leaning 2:as you all know am LE and represent the EU, it would be good to talk about cat f with my Collegues in singapore Chris Pelling:ill be on the call Stephanie Perrin:I will be in DC next week and not able to make the call Frank Michlick:I might not make it since I'll be at Namescon, but was planning on trying. steve metalitz:+1 Graeme re thanks to staff Terri Agnew:Welcome Carlton Samuels Carlton Samuels:Hi All, late in arriving but here and now Philip Corwin:I will also be at Namescon and will likely miss the call if it is held next week Holly Raiche:Hi Carlton Luc Seufer:I am not waiving any right to the formal reading of this report! Terri Agnew:Welcome Christian Dawson Mary Wong:@Alex, noted and thanks Kathy:@Mary and Marika: would it be possible to a redline of edits from today to the Report - so people can quickly see the proposed change? Kathy:changes? vicky sheckler:please note we are still reviewing the draft, and may have other comments/changes to propose Mary Wong:@Kathy, we sure can once we're done with the changes after today Mary Wong:We can extract the parts discussed and redline those. steve metalitz:+1 Graeme re point 1 Kathy:@Mary, tx! Mary Wong:FYI much of the language here reproduces what was in our Prelim Recs - but yes, the WG can agree to change them upon a comprehensive review of eveything together Mary Wong:@Alex, @Graeme, would that apply only to the second sentence? Darcy Southwell:My audio stopped working Darcy Southwell:I'll type my comment Mary Wong:i.e. non-Affiliated providers would still have to validate/verify; its just the re-verification that affects Affiliations? Alex Deacon:@Mary - second sentence only. Terri Agnew:@Darcy, please let me know if you prefer us to dial out to you vicky sheckler:thx mary val sherman:Would it be helpful to more generally clarify upfront that the accreditation scheme applies to affiliated and unaffiliated providers? Mary Wong:Thanks Alex val sherman:+1 Kathy steve metalitz:+1 Kathy Darcy Southwell:No Mary Wong:@Kathy can your repeat your suggestion? Kathy:@Mary, sure. I'll type it here... Darcy Southwell:In 1.3.1(3) we should clarify that verification/validation is required by P/P providers unless that P/P provider is affiliated with the registrar of record. Kathy:Domain name registration involving p/p providers should be clearly labelled as such in the Whois, and can be done with existing fields. Kathy:continuing... footnote: The WG has also explored the idea that the label might also be implemented by adding another field to Whois - and the questions that might raise. Luc Seufer:@James replacing may by need? Holly Raiche:@ Luc- I think we agreed on must Mary Wong:@Graeme, @James - yes, that was the concern Luc Seufer:@Holly thanks: good val sherman:+ James -- to separate these points. Kathy:+1 James - and dividing up the one bullet into 3 bullets makes it much clearer! Carlton Samuels:@James +1 Kathy:So perhaps a footnote to #6... Chris Pelling:+a James Chris Pelling:+1 James even Luc Seufer:Agreed. Holly Raiche:Agree Kathy:Graeme - can you please read the footnote too? James Bladel:Sounds like #7 is saying the same thing three different ways/times. Holly Raiche:@ James - I think the point is trying to cover all the arguments that were made Mary Wong:@Holly, yes Carlton Samuels:#7 Seems more pernickety than necessary. How will the decision on type of commercial activity be determined? Carlton Samuels:And, who will decide the ones beyond the pale? Holly Raiche:@ carlton - that was exactly the issue - how would you tell anyway James Bladel:"should be prohibited" Mary Wong:@JKathy, yes I just saw that - I left in a "not" when I should not have Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: +1. Say it more directly! Stephanie Perrin:+1 Kathy Kathy:@edit... there is no consensus agreement on barried proxies to certain types of legal commercial activities. Kathy:lol Kathy:sorry.. barring proxies... James Bladel::) Holly Raiche:Have we discussed what is part of an accreditation requirement? Holly Raiche:@ James agreed Holly Raiche:Agree should be bi-directional Carlton Samuels:@Holly: It was something that was said and accepted Holly Raiche:Really isn't an issue - as long as - as per James - is bi-directional Carlton Samuels:@Mary: Yes, tht was the context in which it was discussed Mary Wong:@Graeme, yes exactly Stephanie Perrin:@Graeme absolutely. Stephanie Perrin:@James, you are not alone. Totally agree vicky sheckler:+1 with Steve Metalitz's comments Mary Wong:@James, would changing the word "examples" to "starting points" help? Note that the language in the PIC and the Safeguard is very similar anyway Kathy:+1 Holly: links would be useful - and text too vicky sheckler:have to run to another meeting - apologies Frank Michlick:Thank you everyone - see you at Namescon Kathy:Tx Graeme! Holly Raiche:@ Graeme - well done Stephanie Perrin:I like starting points better...but I do think it is in principle better to not cite that GAC advice James Bladel:Please accept my apologies for next Tuesday. :) Carlton Samuels:Thank yuo Luc Seufer:Thanks val sherman:Thanks All