With updated mp3 link: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-06jan15-en.mp3 Apologies for the inconvenience! Nathalie From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew@icann.org<mailto:terri.agnew@icann.org>> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 at 8:49 PM To: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org>> Cc: "gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org>" <gnso-secs@icann.org<mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org>> Subject: [gnso-secs] MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 06 January 2015 at 1500 UTC Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 06 January 2015 at 15:00 UTC. at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20150106-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#jan The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Frank Michlick – Individual Justin Macy - BC Val Sherman – IPC Theo Geurts - RrSG Stephanie Perrin - NCSG James Bladel – RrSG Griffin Barnett – IPC Kathy Kleiman – NCSG Phil Corwin – BC Richard Leaning – no SOI Darcy Southwell – RrSG Todd Williams – IPC David Heasley - IPC Paul McGrady – IPC Volker Greimann – RrSG Chris Pelling - RrSG Steve Metalitz - IPC Graeme Bunton – RrSG Vicky Scheckler – IPC Holly Raiche – ALAC Carlton Samuels – ALAC Luc Seufer – RrSG Susan Kawaguchi - BC Alex Deacon -IPC Keith Kupferschmid – IPC Christain Dawson – ISPCP Apologies : Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP Sarah Wyld – RrSG Don Blumenthal – RySG Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC John Horton - BC ICANN staff: Mary Wong Marika Konings Daniela Andela Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 06 January 2015 Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting on the 06 January 2015 Graeme Bunton:That's an old agenda, no? Holly Raiche:The agenda does say 23 December and doesn't reflect the email spelling out what would happen on this call Mary Wong:Hi Graeme and Holly (aka early birds! :) - all fixed now :) Theo Geurts:greetings all. Graeme Bunton:Waiting another minute or two for stragglers richard leaning:hello all Terri Agnew:@Graeme, we are unable to hear you vicky sheckler:hi Terri Agnew:Welcome Vicky Sheckler and Keith Kupferschmid Keith Kupferschmid:sorry for joining late Terri Agnew:Welcome Stephanie Perrin and Frank Michlick Frank Michlick:Sorry for being late. Terri Agnew:Phil Corwin has joined audio Theo Geurts::) Terri Agnew:Welcome Chris Pelling Philip Corwin:Good morning all. 2nd of 3 ICANN calls today vicky sheckler:FWIW, i think its better to wait Chris Pelling:Sorry I am late Chris Pelling:Afternoon all Kathy:+1 James Christian Dawson:Apologize for tardiness Holly Raiche:Just a remindere that the existing specification is in force until 2017! Chris Pelling:Yeah, rushing this is not a good idea vicky sheckler:agree w/ chris vicky sheckler:i will be at the intersessional val sherman:+1 Steve -- we really haven't focused on reveal as much as on other areas. I support waiting to more fully develop our positions on this subject. val sherman:I will be at intercessional Holly Raiche:I'll be on the call steve metalitz:I will be at intersessional Darcy Southwell:I'll be on the call Mary Wong:Even without a WG call next week there will still be three more WG calls before Singapore Kathy:I'll be at intersessional Theo Geurts:i'll be on call Todd Williams:I'll be away richard leaning 2:as you all know am LE and represent the EU, it would be good to talk about cat f with my Collegues in singapore Chris Pelling:ill be on the call Stephanie Perrin:I will be in DC next week and not able to make the call Frank Michlick:I might not make it since I'll be at Namescon, but was planning on trying. steve metalitz:+1 Graeme re thanks to staff Terri Agnew:Welcome Carlton Samuels Carlton Samuels:Hi All, late in arriving but here and now Philip Corwin:I will also be at Namescon and will likely miss the call if it is held next week Holly Raiche:Hi Carlton Luc Seufer:I am not waiving any right to the formal reading of this report! Terri Agnew:Welcome Christian Dawson Mary Wong:@Alex, noted and thanks Kathy:@Mary and Marika: would it be possible to a redline of edits from today to the Report - so people can quickly see the proposed change? Kathy:changes? vicky sheckler:please note we are still reviewing the draft, and may have other comments/changes to propose Mary Wong:@Kathy, we sure can once we're done with the changes after today Mary Wong:We can extract the parts discussed and redline those. steve metalitz:+1 Graeme re point 1 Kathy:@Mary, tx! Mary Wong:FYI much of the language here reproduces what was in our Prelim Recs - but yes, the WG can agree to change them upon a comprehensive review of eveything together Mary Wong:@Alex, @Graeme, would that apply only to the second sentence? Darcy Southwell:My audio stopped working Darcy Southwell:I'll type my comment Mary Wong:i.e. non-Affiliated providers would still have to validate/verify; its just the re-verification that affects Affiliations? Alex Deacon:@Mary - second sentence only. Terri Agnew:@Darcy, please let me know if you prefer us to dial out to you vicky sheckler:thx mary val sherman:Would it be helpful to more generally clarify upfront that the accreditation scheme applies to affiliated and unaffiliated providers? Mary Wong:Thanks Alex val sherman:+1 Kathy steve metalitz:+1 Kathy Darcy Southwell:No Mary Wong:@Kathy can your repeat your suggestion? Kathy:@Mary, sure. I'll type it here... Darcy Southwell:In 1.3.1(3) we should clarify that verification/validation is required by P/P providers unless that P/P provider is affiliated with the registrar of record. Kathy:Domain name registration involving p/p providers should be clearly labelled as such in the Whois, and can be done with existing fields. Kathy:continuing... footnote: The WG has also explored the idea that the label might also be implemented by adding another field to Whois - and the questions that might raise. Luc Seufer:@James replacing may by need? Holly Raiche:@ Luc- I think we agreed on must Mary Wong:@Graeme, @James - yes, that was the concern Luc Seufer:@Holly thanks: good val sherman:+ James -- to separate these points. Kathy:+1 James - and dividing up the one bullet into 3 bullets makes it much clearer! Carlton Samuels:@James +1 Kathy:So perhaps a footnote to #6... Chris Pelling:+a James Chris Pelling:+1 James even Luc Seufer:Agreed. Holly Raiche:Agree Kathy:Graeme - can you please read the footnote too? James Bladel:Sounds like #7 is saying the same thing three different ways/times. Holly Raiche:@ James - I think the point is trying to cover all the arguments that were made Mary Wong:@Holly, yes Carlton Samuels:#7 Seems more pernickety than necessary. How will the decision on type of commercial activity be determined? Carlton Samuels:And, who will decide the ones beyond the pale? Holly Raiche:@ carlton - that was exactly the issue - how would you tell anyway James Bladel:"should be prohibited" Mary Wong:@JKathy, yes I just saw that - I left in a "not" when I should not have Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: +1. Say it more directly! Stephanie Perrin:+1 Kathy Kathy:@edit... there is no consensus agreement on barried proxies to certain types of legal commercial activities. Kathy:lol Kathy:sorry.. barring proxies... James Bladel::) Holly Raiche:Have we discussed what is part of an accreditation requirement? Holly Raiche:@ James agreed Holly Raiche:Agree should be bi-directional Carlton Samuels:@Holly: It was something that was said and accepted Holly Raiche:Really isn't an issue - as long as - as per James - is bi-directional Carlton Samuels:@Mary: Yes, tht was the context in which it was discussed Mary Wong:@Graeme, yes exactly Stephanie Perrin:@Graeme absolutely. Stephanie Perrin:@James, you are not alone. Totally agree vicky sheckler:+1 with Steve Metalitz's comments Mary Wong:@James, would changing the word "examples" to "starting points" help? Note that the language in the PIC and the Safeguard is very similar anyway Kathy:+1 Holly: links would be useful - and text too vicky sheckler:have to run to another meeting - apologies Frank Michlick:Thank you everyone - see you at Namescon Kathy:Tx Graeme! Holly Raiche:@ Graeme - well done Stephanie Perrin:I like starting points better...but I do think it is in principle better to not cite that GAC advice James Bladel:Please accept my apologies for next Tuesday. :) Carlton Samuels:Thank yuo Luc Seufer:Thanks val sherman:Thanks All