Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 23 December 2014 at 15:00 UTC. at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-2014122<http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20141216-en.mp3>3-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#dec The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Frank Michlick – Individual Justin Macy - BC Val Sherman – IPC Theo Geurts - RrSG Stephanie Perrin - NCSG James Bladel – RrSG Griffin Barnett – IPC Kathy Kleiman – NCSG Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP Phil Corwin – BC Sarah Wyld – RrSG Richard Leaning – no SOI Darcy Southwell – RrSG Don Blumenthal – RySG Todd Williams – IPC David Heasley - IPC Paul McGrady – IPC David Hughes - IPC Carlton Samuels – ALAC Tatiana Khramtsova - RrSG Volker Greimann – RrSG Chris Pelling - RrSG John Berryhill – RrSG – not listed as PPSAI WG member Apologies : Lindsay Hamilton-Reid- RrSG Steve Metalitz - IPC Graeme Bunton – RrSG Vicky Scheckler – IPC Holly Raiche – ALAC Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC Jim Bikoff - IPC Marika Konings ICANN staff: Mary Wong Daniela Andela Nathalie Peregrine ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Nathalie ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 23 December 2014: Nathalie Peregrine:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 23 December 2014 Val Sherman:Hello All! Sarah Wyld - Aplus.net:Good morning! Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all, I apologize but today a may have to leave before the end oof the call. Mary Wong:No worries, Osvaldo! Don Blumenthal:Usual audio problems on this PC. Val Sherman:ditto Stephanie Perrin:Wicked echo, Don Stephanie Perrin:Better! thanks Osvaldo Novoa:Is OK now Nathalie Peregrine:John Berryhill has joined the call Chris Pelling:afternoon all, sorry I am late Stephanie Perrin:Sounds like a great idea, customers would then also understand what could happen Mary Wong:Thanks, James! Paul McGrady:Sorry to be late. Nathalie Peregrine:Paul McGrady has joined the room Frank Michlick:Agree, transferring a P&P registration elsewhere is not as trivial as it may sound and may involve a change of registrar. Frank Michlick:If P&P were a registry function then it would be a different story, but it isn't and probably shouldn't be. Nathalie Peregrine:Carlton Samuels has joined the room Carlton Samuels:Morning all Carlton Samuels:We cannot assume that a P/P service provider is a registry Carlton Samuels:..let's deconstruct; the one must not be tied to the other. There must be specific policy guidelines for deaccreditation for whatever reason Carlton Samuels:So we explicity state what deaccreditation means in this context, maybe with a listing of actions, without restrictions Kathy:sorry, participating from a tough spot. Kathy:But are both privacy and choice preserved for Registrants Kathy:in the new language? Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: Yes, I think it should be Richard Leaning:i agree also with Kathy Kathy:Great- that's key! Mary Wong:@James, no we don't have that explicitly stated at the moemnt; something to include in the final draft Initial Report Osvaldo Novoa:Sorry all, I have to leave now. Best wishes to all in the up coming festivities Kathy:There are a lot of privacy/data protection statute issues involved in the escrow of p/p data Carlton Samuels:@James: Even with escrow, the registrant must NOT be disadvantaged and should retin the right to choose their provider Kathy:I think it is something we should discuss - perhaps with the larger group Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: +1. The data protection principles under which the data was originally curated remains with the data. So it cannot go to a regime that is less than what originally obtains Carlton Samuels:When I use the term 'regime' I mean both law and practicve Carlton Samuels:hardly: U sound far away Steph Chris Pelling:I can hear aok Chris Pelling:gone all quiet now Chris Pelling:WOW Chris Pelling:hehe Frank Michlick:the whole thing Frank Michlick:please Kathy:@Stephanie, is this what you are saying: that the commitment of protection by a secondary P/P Provider (who receives the transferred escrowed data) should be similar to the protections of the original P/P Providers? Carlton Samuels:@ Kathy: The registrant should have a say; must affirm positively Frank Michlick:Thank you Stephanie Perrin:No problem! Stephanie Perrin:Absolutely agree with James.... Carlton Samuels:The P/P provision is assumed to be a set of conditions not necessarily related to DP law. The terms are paramount here for the registrant who signed up James Bladel:Volker: I'm curious do you have issues with Iron Mountain/Data Escrow? Does IM store your data somewhere in Europe? Theo Geurts:i expect issues with Iron Mountain later on when EU privacy laws get tougher Carlton Samuels:What we must ensure is that they are not disadvantaged in failure in any way shape or form. We can frame what should ahppen in that event using a DP-type regime since they exist and I don't like to recreate wheels. Carlton Samuels:But the baseline is a set of contracted conditions that must be preserved Theo Geurts:but iron mountain is not the only ICANN appointed Escrow service, so i expect we will switch in the future Don Blumenthal:Or a Russian entity for Rusian customers because of their new law? Stephanie Perrin:This is what binding corporate rules gets around....and those rules could be part of the accreditation requirements which you suggested. Volker Greimann:James: That is already the case. Your european customer data _is_ subject to European DP laws Carlton Samuels:@Steph: +1 Volker Greimann:under European law, that is Frank Michlick: Happy Holidays! Kathy:Happy Holidays, All! Paul McGrady:Thanks everyone! Happy Holidays! Carlton Samuels:Thank you Don for piloting Frank Michlick:See you in the new year. Philip Corwin:Merry everthing! Carlton Samuels:Every Good Wish ALL Stephanie Perrin:Happy holidays everyone! James Bladel:Thanks, Don and the PPSAI Die Hards! See you in 2015! Kathy:Tx Don! Darcy Southwell:Happy holidays! Theo Geurts:happy holidays everyone