Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 28 April 2015 at 14:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-28apr15-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar>apr<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Frank Michlick - Individual Val Sherman - IPC Griffin Barnett - IPC Kathy Kleiman - NCSG Steve Metalitz - IPC Graeme Bunton - RrSG Jim Bikoff - IPC Alex Deacon -IPC Stephanie Perrin - NCSG Phil Corwin - BC Terri Stumme - BC Holly Raiche - ALAC Susan Kawaguchi - BC Luc Seufer - RrSG Roger Carney - RrSG Sarah Wyld - RrSG Carlton Samuels - ALAC Todd Williams - IPC James Gannon - NCUC David Heasley - IPC Paul McGrady - IPC Tatiana Khramtsova - RrSG Vicky Sheckler - IPC David Cake - NCSG Michele Neylon - RrSG Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC Richard Leaning - Individual Susan Prosser - RrSG Lindsay Hamilton-Reid - RrSG Chris Pelling - RrSG Apologies : Don Blumenthal - RySG Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP Darcy Southwell - RrSG Volker Greimann - RrSG ICANN staff: Mary Wong Marika Konings Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 28 April 2015 Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 28 April 2015 Holly Raiche:Greetings all Graeme Bunton:I can hear you Steph Graeme Bunton:look on booking.com James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Does anyone know if theres a trick to getting adobe to work with a mac? Mic doesnt seem to work at all? Works fine in skype! Holly Raiche:I'm on a Mac, but get a dial in - which works just fine Paul:Hi everyone! Mary Wong:@James, sometimes a different browser helps e.g. Firefox over Chrome James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:oh yes Ill try that Terri Agnew:Adobe connect prefers Firefox. What browser are you using? Michele Neylon:firefox? ugh Michele Neylon::) Philip Corwin:There's no accounting for browser taste ;-) James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Yes firefox success James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Now I can badger you all during the call =) Michele Neylon:I'm still waiting for the operator Terri Agnew:Wlecome David Cake and Dick Leaning val sherman:Hello all. David Heasley also on audio bridge. Terri Agnew:Welcome Luc Seufer Mary Wong:Thanks, all - noted. Terri Agnew:Welcome Carlton Samuels Carlton Samuels:Howdy all Stephanie Perrin:Howdy Carlton! richard leaning:michele is right about that point Carlton Samuels:@Michele: Yes, so maybe we make it clear that some circumstances may bar you from sharing Luc Seufer:does the I in PPSAI stands for Irish? How many are you guys richard leaning:on the court order issue James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:=) Michele Neylon:only two James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Understood was jsut more of a comment on possibilities Michele Neylon:I don't like the idea of being forced to inform Michele Neylon:that's on the previous point - sorry James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:I think it should be both Michele Neylon:another registrar sounds more logical Terri Agnew:Welcome Sussan Prosser Luc Seufer:what? Paul:I can hear the phone Mary Wong:Yes, there are links and references in the Report to all agreements and policies referenced Mary Wong:We will double check that the links and references are all in the right place Mary Wong:Expired Registration Recovery Policy Terri Agnew:Lindsay Hamilton-Reid has joined on audio Kathy:@Mary - can we include this full term *and its reference section in the RAA* and link to it? That way people can find it very easily if they are trying to research... tx! Mary Wong:@Kathy I think we have a direct link to the ERRP (including its full spelling) and to the RAA, Specs, etc. - in this case we probably put it later on in the document than here Kathy:could we put it here? Easy to get lost in a 100+ page report... Mary Wong:As mentioned, we will check before publishing to make sure that each acronym and referenced document gets its link the first time it appears in the doc Terri Agnew:Welcome Chris Pelling Chris Pelling:Sorry for lateness, today has been one of those days Kathy:@Mary, as Steve suggested, in each section would be useful. Kathy:Hi Chris! James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:I think abuse is a relativly widely used term, it doesnt sound nice but its a common use Michele Neylon:"abuse" is a term we all use Michele Neylon:this is a polichy James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:I think we need a PDP on Internet Explorer support Michele Neylon:James - yes Michele Neylon:Google can fund it James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:=) Holly Raiche:@ Irish James - Maybe we can write the interim report now Michele Neylon:IE sucks Michele Neylon:end of report James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Definintly fits with being in the public interest Luc Seufer:fine by me Stephanie Perrin:lost sound there for a while? Michele Neylon:we spent 5 minutes talking about Canadians Michele Neylon:it was awesome Luc Seufer:and their weird love of privacy rights Terri Agnew:@Stephanie, let me know if a dial out is needed Michele Neylon:I was more concerned about their beers Kathy:+1 Holly Luc Seufer:the two are linked Kathy:that makes sense Stephanie Perrin:privacy, good beer, free speech....it's all good up here in the frozen north. Mary Wong:On Sec 1.3.2 - this question is in the Charter Terri Agnew:@Stephanie, we are unable to hear you Michele Neylon:Stephanie - that's between the customer and the provider Graeme Bunton:STephanie, back to mute Mary Wong:Please mute if you're not speaking Michele Neylon:somebody has a terrible line James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:adobe is freaking out on me Kathy:And that remedy for the Customer may be vis a vis the Requestor Carlton Samuels:@All: This is a general comment. I read the Exec Summary and the general feeling I have is it does not go far enough to lay out the rights and responsibilities of stakeholders. I want to see remedies mentioned, especially for those who make use of P/P services and their contractual and other rights are breached. Paul:We aren't a global legislator Stephanie Perrin:no I have said what I had to say.. Even if there is an agreement with the customer, they cannot sign away their rights in the event of a breach Michele Neylon:Carlton - a lot of registrars offer this service for free or very very cheap Mary Wong:@Carlton, the recommendations are exactly what the WG has agreed on. We cannot add anything substantive unless the WG agrees to additional recommendations. Luc Seufer:Carlton I think those will be defined by the WG working on implementation Michele Neylon:Carlton - if you make it too burdensome people will stop offering it entirely Stephanie Perrin:old hand Michele Neylon:and if you want heavier protection then maybe you need to move to a provider that offers that level of service Luc Seufer:I vote we get read of the German Michele Neylon:he's on parentl aleave Michele Neylon:parental even Luc Seufer:(refernce no Volker himself) Luc Seufer:rid Carlton Samuels:@All: Can we then say, specifically on implementation and with respect to remedies, that the Implementation Team is guided to outline what might be available? Vicky Sheckler:thanks Steve, for getting us through all of those comments Mary Wong:The 1.3.3 language has been in the draft Initial Report since December; and the text is substantially what the WG agreed to in June 2014, and presented to the community in London. Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: This is MY concern with respect to the Exec Summary. Most persons will read *only* that of the report. I think it would be very useful for us to ensure that important matters are highlighted here. Michele Neylon:personally I'm more concerned about the announcement text Stephanie Perrin:I support Carlton's remark about the executive summary. Indeed the provision of accredited services is probably going to be more burdensome than what we have now ( in reference to Michele's comment) but the customer needs remedies and guarantees. Holly Raiche:@Maary - I think Kathy's point is exactly that - it is an old statement and should reflect where we are up to Carlton Samuels:@Michele: Yessir, that too! Marika Konings:Regarding translation, as per the PDP Manual as well as the translation guidelines, only the executive summary of the Initial Report is translated. Note that free tools are available and linked from the GNSO site should interested parties want to translate other sections of the document. Kathy:The questions DO tie back - and the Executive Summary should be presenting the key open questions Michele Neylon:+1 Marika James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:@Marika at the request of the WG/Chairs can other sections be translated? Not asking for it now but wondering if its possible Vicky Sheckler:+`1 w/ todd val sherman:+1 Todd Todd Williams:Oh look, my email that I sent over an hour ago just popped up as I was talking. Not sure why the delay. Sorry for the redundancy. Marika Konings:@James - of course, any request can be considered, but as noted there are specific guidelines in place to deal with translation and have as such been applied to any PDP WG Initial Report as far as I am aware. Susan Kawaguchi:+1 to Steve Vicky Sheckler:agree w/ steve val sherman:Some of these questions are leading and should be presented as an additional comment at this point. Mary Wong:Note that 1.3.3 in substance has not changed since June 2014 Mary Wong:This (1.3.3) is an issue that the WG agreed it cannot reach consensus on. Vicky Sheckler:diagree w/ kathy's ssuggestion to add that language Vicky Sheckler:Many do not agree w/ this view. I stronlgy disagree with kathy's suggestion Stephanie Perrin:Fully suppport Kahy's suggestion, we know this is an area of contention so it needsto be fully explained. James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:+1 to Kathys suggestion Kathy:it's the majority group... Michele Neylon:separate question and comment period? James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:The initial report should provide a view of all of the WG, minority groups aswell. It means that we do not have broad consensus on this Michele Neylon:huh? Michele Neylon:sorry but how would that work? Graeme Bunton:We have discussed that issue multiple times for many calls Mary Wong:@Michele, @James - an additional statement to be added as a new annex Stephanie Perrin:We may be a minority in this WG, but we are certainly not in the user community Kathy:@All: 1.3.3. really has to be fair and balanced - and accurate! Mary Wong:We normally request the translation at the same time as request to open the public comment James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Mary: So if translation takes 3 weeks anyone whos native language is not english has 3 weeks less to comment? Graeme Bunton:I tend to agree with Kathy that 1.3.3 doesn't reflect the state of discussion, but perhaps we can find some better language Marika Konings:@James - I believe the turn around time is much shorter than that, but we will confirm. Kathy:+1 Holly Chris Pelling:agree Stephanie Perrin:+1 Holly. Maybe never happy, but at least feeling it is fair and balanced. James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Ok thanks Mrika, could we get a headstart by starting transltion on agreed text sections because cutting into a possible 40 day comment period for anyone who is not a native speaker is seriously testing =) Stephanie Perrin:We have also pushed to have the deadline moved back as well. James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:I have to run to another call guys. Thanks for a good meeting Michele Neylon:this is just an interim report Michele Neylon:so publish and let's move on val sherman:+1 Michele Carlton Samuels:Bye all. Duty calls Chris Pelling:thanks all :) val sherman:Bye and thanks all! Graeme Bunton:thanks all