Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 08 April 2014 at 14:00 UTC at: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140408-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140408-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar%23mar> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Luc Seufer - RrSG Graeme Bunton - RrSG Tim Ruiz - RrSG Sarah Wyld - RrSG Steve Metalitz - IPC Kathy Kleiman - RySG Darcy Southwell - RrSG Libby Baney - BC Phil Marano - IPC Valeriya Sherman - IPC Roy Balleste - NCUC Holly Raiche - ALAC Susan Prosser - RrSG Kristina Rosette - IPC Justin Macy - BC Jim Bikoff - IPC David Heasley - IPC Amr Elsadr - NCUC Michele Neylon - RrSG Don Moody -IPC Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC Alex Deacon - IPC Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP Emily Emanuel - BC Jennifer Standiford - RrSG James Bladel - RrSG Volker Greimann - RrSG Gema Campillos - GAC Tatiana Khramtsova - RrSG Apologies: Carlton Samuels - ALAC Maria Farrell - NCUC Paul McGrady - IPC Tobias Sattler - RrSG ICANN staff: Marika Konings Mary Wong Amy Bivins Margie Milam Mike Zupke Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 08 April 2014: Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG meeting of 8 April 2014 Libby Baney:Good morning / afternoon Terri Agnew:Hello Libby Osvaldo Novoa:Hello everyone Valeriya Sherman:Morning! David Heasley is on the call Valeriya Sherman:also Terri Agnew:Emily Emanuel has joined Terri Agnew:Jennifer Standiford has joined Terri Agnew:Michele Neylon has joined Mary Wong:The EWG Survey Results Summary you see on screen here has been uploaded to the WG wiki. Graeme Bunton:https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/47264616/EWG%20PP%20 Survey%20Summary%20of%20Results%2014%20March.pdf?version=1&modificationDate= 1396885484000&api=v2 Terri Agnew:David Heasley has joined Terri Agnew:Susan Prosser has joined Terri Agnew:Luc Seufer has joined Bladel:James Bladel joined. Apologies for my tardiness. Terri Agnew:James I have you added to attendance Terri Agnew:Amr Elsadr has joined Amr Elsadr:Hi. Dialling in now. steve metalitz:Could staff circulate link to Appendix to EWG survey response summary (see reference in footnote 1)? Mary Wong:On the EWG survey results, it may be helpful for WG members (and their respective SG/Cs) to indicate which (if any) of the findings they think useful for the WG to discuss or fold into our deliberations (and which category/question). Terri Agnew:Marie Laure Lemineur has joined Mary Wong:@Steve, can you clarify the document that has the FN? steve metalitz:The doc first posted in the Adobe room this morning. Mary Wong:Ah, thanks - we will locate and send it ASAP. Thanks! Bladel:The first two sentences of this comment are so generally obvious as to be non-valuable. Michele Neylon:which comment are we looking at? Mary Wong:@Michele, the one by Jim Bikoff and his colleagues. Graeme Bunton:now on to the 2nd comment Luc Seufer:Basic resp. ... Sarah Wyld - Aplus.net:@Michele you can scroll through the doc Michele Neylon:I am .. Amr Elsadr:@Graeme: Yeah..., I thought we were still on question 2 today. I guess I missed something. Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined Bladel:I'll dial in. Mary Wong:@Amr, the WG agreed to "park" the outstanding further issues from Q2 for further review, for now. Amr Elsadr:Thanks Mary. I dialled in a few minutes late. Mary Wong:No worries - hopefully this update will also be helpful to other WG members who may have missed it! Graeme Bunton:https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/47264616/PPSAI%20%C2 %AD%20Category%20B%20%C2%AD%20Question%203%20-%20Updated%2018%20March%202014 .doc?version=1&modificationDate=1396964189101&api=v2 Amr Elsadr:+1 @Michele as well as transfer of registrant data across legal jurisdictions with a "thick" whois policy, but that's another story!! :) Kathy Kleiman:I think what James says makes sense Kathy Kleiman:It leaves room for the p/p services as they exist now (largely separate and independent) and in the future, where some may merge or there may be joint services Bladel:Kathy: Yep. They could become resellers of multiple registrars. Volker Greimann:we require the registrant to use the data of the new privacy provider into the whois _before_ a transfer Terri Agnew:Volker I have added you to attendance Luc Seufer:I think every country has some sort of gag order Luc Seufer:so not sure about this distinction Kathy Kleiman::-) Michele Amr Elsadr:@James: Being too specific on accreditation may not be the way to go, but a blanket requirement of following due process as per the governing legal jurisdiction could work, couldn't it? Bladel:Agree with Michele. It is up the the risk tolerance of the servie provider (and the cost). Bladel:@Amr: Yes, that aligns with other policies and the RAA as well. Terri Agnew:Gema Campillos has joined Kathy Kleiman:Sanity?! Bladel:They registered a domain name, so they must be hiding something. :) Libby Baney:Good point Michele steve metalitz:Agree that accreditation standards should be minimum standards. Bladel:lol. Libby Baney:@Michele, +1 Holly Raiche:That statement is aalready in the Final Whois Review Team Report Bladel:+1. It's no more suspicious than an unlisted phone number or joinign the "do not call" list. Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: +1. It would be nice that p/p customers are not by default villains. :) Amr Elsadr:not perceived to be villains. Kathy Kleiman:Yeah! Kathy Kleiman:Can we codify or show strong support as a WG for Michele's comments? Michele Neylon:which one of my comments? Darcy Southwell:@Kathy: Totally agree that p/p customers cannot be immediately assumed to be bad actors just because they bought the service. Amr Elsadr:@Steve: Agree on minimum standards. Kathy Kleiman:@Darcy: tx! Let's codify that as a finding of this WG Gema Campillos:Hi everyone, Steve is giving some sensible ideas. Kathy Kleiman:@Michele: supporting operation of p/p under national laws (theirs) Bladel:Agree with Steve, and that mirrors the Registrars Accrditation program. Kathy Kleiman:Marika: 4th point - the deference to national law (in the jurisdiction of the registrar and p/p provider) Terri Agnew:Tatiana Khramtsova has joined Tim Ruiz:A lot has been said in the past about Registrant Rights, and a document now exists explaining those rights. So it should be perfectly clear to p/p customers as to how those rights are affected or modified by the p/p provider. My two cents. Kathy Kleiman:Would it be possible (needed) to have a longer briefing on transfer policies and issues (for those of us who don't work on this issue regularly)? Kathy Kleiman:something a little more formal? Marika Konings:James actually provided a very good overview to the IRTP WG that we have recorded so I can share that Michele Neylon:Kathy - I was going to offer bribery Luc Seufer:If only we knew someone that has chaired IRTP WG from A to D Bladel:Um. Kathy Kleiman:@Michele: how much? Amr Elsadr:Thanks Marika. Bladel:not sure what I was just drafted for, but happy to help. Kathy Kleiman:Tx James! Bladel:Just ping me offline. Amr Elsadr:hehehe..., and thanks James. Kathy Kleiman:Tx Graeme! Amr Elsadr:Bye all. Thanks. Phil Marano:Thank you, goodbye. marie-laure lemineur:tx bye bye