Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 23 September 2014 at 14:00 UTC at: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140923-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140923-en.mp3 On page: <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#sep The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Steve Metalitz - IPC Graeme Bunton – RrSG Griffin Barnett – IPC Frank Michlick – Individual Don Blumenthal – RySG David Heasley-IPC Jim Bikoff-IPC Chris Pelling – RrSG Kathy Kleiman – NCSG Darcy Southwell – RrSG Phil Marano – IPC Sarah Wyld – RrSG Victoria Scheckler - IPC Lindsay Hamilton-Reid – RrSG James Bladel – RrSG Val Sherman – IPC Luc Seufer – RrSG Alex Deacon – IPC Carlton Samuels – At-Large Todd Williams – IPC Michael Palage - RySG Christian Dawson – ISPCP Keith Kupferschmid-IPC Libby Baney-BC Amr Elsadr-NCUC David Cake-NCSG Kiran Malancharuvil-IPC Osvaldo Novoa-ISPCP Tatiana Khramtsova - RrSG Sean McInerney – no SOI Apologies : Kristina Rosette – IPC Susan Prosser – RrSG Michele Neylon – RrSG Phil Corwin-BC ICANN staff: Mary Wong Marika Konings Amy Bivins Danielle Andela Nathalie Peregrine Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: <https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 23 September 2014: Mary Wong:Welcome to the PPSAI WG meeting of 23 September 2014! Chris Pelling:good afternoon all Carlton Samuels:Morning all Libby Baney:Happy fall all Graeme Bunton:Morning everyone. Bladel:GM everyone. Graeme Bunton:http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full Frank Michlick:Good * everyone - whatever is appropiate in your timezone Graeme Bunton:Yep Val Sherman:Morning all Vicky Sheckler:hi Nathalie Peregrine:Marika Konings, Danielle Andela and Vicky Schlecker also noted for attendance Bladel:Having trouble hearing Don.? Terri Agnew:David Cake has joined Danielle Andela:Thanks Nathalie Bladel:Is it just me? Griffin Barnett:i could hear don alright Amr Elsadr:I can hear him fine too. Bladel:ok. just me, apparently. :) Luc Seufer:Hearing him fine, but I am young :-p Terri Agnew:Christain Dawson has joined Christian Dawson:Hi all Chris Pelling:I can hear him fine too Terri Agnew:Kiran Malancharuvil has joined Kiran Malancharuvil:Apologies for being late. Terri Agnew:Osvaldo Novoa and Todd Williams has joined Don Blumenthal:Welcome back, Kiran Don Blumenthal:hoping I haven't you before. Kiran Malancharuvil:Thanks Don. Keith Kupferschmid:I can no longer hear Don. the connection got very bad. Griffin Barnett:same Darcy Southwell:I'm having a great deal of trouble hearing Don steve metalitz:Don there is a lot of static on your line Graeme Bunton:(ok, now you are a bit quiet again Don) Amr Elsadr:Don, now it's really hard to hear what you're saying. Sarah Wyld - Aplus.net:Don, did you move away from your mic? Chris Pelling:issues with Don's voice here in the uk Chris Pelling:aha Bladel:*vindicated*! Chris Pelling:don no Chris Pelling:perfect Nathalie Peregrine:Don, would you like us to dial out to you? Chris Pelling:are you holding the mic ? Graeme Bunton:Thanks Steve, no issues here Chris Pelling:LEA is the police Darcy Southwell:Agree with the 3 definitions, including James' suggestion about an add to the definition of disclosure. Vicky Sheckler:steve - havent had a chance to read them yet - will do so and provide comments as appropriate Mary Wong:Document is unsync'ed so you should be able to scroll thru. Terri Agnew:Don has joined audio Don Blumenthal:I'm baaack Kathy:Welcome back! Kathy:When and how the customer will be contacted will also be included in the TOS Kathy:(suggestion) Chris Pelling:Kathy generally by email, if the email bounces and you are on the 2013 RAA that would constitute a suspension (if the bounce is a hard bounce) Chris Pelling:ah Sorry Kathy, thought that was a quiestion, ill go back under my stone Kathy:@Chris: all data helpful, tx you! Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined Kiran Malancharuvil:apologies if this was discussed while i was out, but what is a "hard bounce"? Chris Pelling:Permanent failure where it will not retry Kiran Malancharuvil:thanks Kathy:@Don, Steve, Mary: I don't think this is a question we can answer right now. Kathy:I think most people will have to go back and review the RAA... I do! David Cake:Contrast with a soft bounce, where the email server says that it hasn't delivered, but will keep trying for a while. Kiran Malancharuvil:Thanks David. Assumed that was correct, but I have learned to always ask. :) Chris Pelling:Thank you Don Chris Pelling:its really not a simple cut and dry count I am sorry to say Chris Pelling:ok, from what we have seen, the PP service provider has been removed Terri Agnew:Sean McInerney has joined audio Bladel:Publication, not reveal. Amr Elsadr:Does reveal = publication or disclosure? Marika Konings:in the UDRP context, it is publication Amr Elsadr:Thanks. Marika Konings:(sorry, may have mixed up some of the definitions we agreed to) Amr Elsadr:We're all doing that. :) Graeme Bunton:Sorry,yes, publish Darcy Southwell:We also Publish in the event of a UDRP. Chris Pelling:ah - ok, I answered Kathy wrong in the emails, the PP service is disabled after UDRP service provider has been informed Griffin Barnett:+1 Todd Mary Wong:Marka is referring the the GNSO Council resolution to have an Issue Report prepared on reviewing the UDRP and all other Rights Protection Mechanisms 18 months after the delegation of the first new gTLD. Kathy:From a liability view, I can see why there is Publication, but from a fairness point of view, it seems unfair Graeme Bunton:no disagreement Kathy Kathy:Mere filing of a UDRP should lead to a reveal, perhaps, but I worry about global publication withiout even a finding of bad faith Bladel:I agree. Especially considering that this could be abused. Graeme Bunton:For the low cost of filing a UDRP, you can use it to reveal Kathy:right Bladel:And then cancel the UDRP Kathy:So what is within our scope to work on here. Chris Pelling:Kathy, it all depends if the PP provider or registrar is listed Bladel:Maybe a special "Reveal" to only the panelist, until the window to cancel the UDRP is closed? Marika Konings:If I recall well, UDRP Providers do carry out an admin check at the start of the process to make sure they are not dealing with a bogus complaint. Libby Baney:+1 Steve re interim standards Kathy:It seems the P/P should disclose the customer to the UDRP filer and the UDRP Forum and leave it at that Luc Seufer:Depending on the implementation of the Lock UDRP WG report, registrants won't even be notified of the proceedings let alone of the suspension of the P/P service. Marika Konings:If I recall well, the problem is that the UDRP Provider currently does not have the possibility to verify that someone is who they say they are, apart from taking that information from the publicly available Whois. Mary Wong:Scopewise, this WG could note potential impact b/c of UDRP actions but can't rec changes to UDRP Rules or practice - it could rec that these be looked at in the proper forum/process, of course. Chris Pelling:Marika, we answer the udrp provider Chris Pelling:and once the new updated complaint is received we then pass that onto the registrant Luc Seufer:I am not very knowlmedgeable in the UDRP providers supplemental rules but I think they all include an anti-abuse provision. Marika Konings:right, but what if I go back and say, I'm listed as the registrant, but it should really be Mary. How can the UDRP Provider verify that is indeed the case (although I guess this could possibly be addressed in the context of accredited P/P providers) steve metalitz:Can staff put the questions up on screen? Amr Elsadr:Is there an anti-abuse provision in the UDRP? I wasn't aware of one. steve metalitz:I mean the questions posed to providers after our last call Mary Wong:Oh sorry Steve Mary Wong:@Steve, they're on the pod on the right steve metalitz:Thanks Mary. steve metalitz:We are also lacking responses to queston 3. Mary Wong:Staff will compile the various email responses received and send those out (and update as necessary) Kiran Malancharuvil:Agree with Steve that we lack answers to questions 3, 4 and 5 Kiran Malancharuvil:Which would be very helpful, thanks! Griffin Barnett:+1 Mary Wong:You're very welcome, Steve and all :) Kathy:Yes! steve metalitz:We all have challenges to face..... Griffin Barnett:thanks all Kiran Malancharuvil:Thanks Bladel:Thnanks Luc Seufer:Merci Lindsay Hamilton-Reid:Thanks Amr Elsadr:Thanks. Bye. Chris Pelling:thanks all