Dear All, Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 24 February 2015 at 15:00 UTC. at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-24feb15-en.mp3 On page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#feb The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/ Attendees: Frank Michlick - Individual Val Sherman - IPC Griffin Barnett - IPC Kathy Kleiman - NCSG Todd Williams - IPC David Heasley - IPC Steve Metalitz - IPC Luc Seufer - RrSG Don Blumenthal - RySG Jim Bikoff - IPC Michele Neylon- RrSG Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP James Bladel - RrSG Vicky Scheckler - IPC Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC Volker Greimann - RrSG Christian Dawson - ISPCP Sarah Wyld - RrSG Carlton Samuels - ALAC Richard Leaning - no soi Lindsay Hamilton-Reid - RrSG Roger Carney - RrSG Tatiana Khramtsova - RrSG Phil Corwin - BC Stephanie Perrin - NCSG Apologies : Alex Deacon -IPC Darcy Southwell - RrSG Chris Pelling - RrSG Graeme Bunton - RrSG Holly Raiche - ALAC ICANN staff: Marika Konings Mary Wong Daniela Andela Terri Agnew ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list ** Mailing list archives: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/ Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg Thank you. Kind regards, Terri Agnew ------------------------------- Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 24 February 2015 Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 24 February 2015 Osvaldo Novoa:Hello everyone! Val Sherman:David Heasley and Jim Bikoff are also on Terri Agnew:I have noted David and Jim Val Sherman:Thanks Terri! Kathy:Hi All! Bladel:+1 Steve. Thank you for all of your work, Don. Don Blumenthal:Stress? :) Thanks. Kathy:+2 Much appreciated, Don! Terri Agnew:Kiran Malancharuvil has joined audio Stephanie Perrin:Apologies for being late... Carlton Samuels:Howdy all. Apologies for coming in late Todd Williams:Likewise: apologies for being late. Kathy:Keeping in mind the limits and scopes of ICANN.... including not regulating content Terri Agnew:Vicky Sheckler has joined audio Bladel:Kathy - Yes, and this is something that is becoming increasingly important (not just for PPSAI). Bladel:ICANN shouldn't regulate content, but service providers (as private entities) should be able to set their own content policies. Bladel:But service providers shouldn't be under pain of ICANN Compliance to act (or not act) in a certain way. Not sure everyone completely agrees with that yet. Terri Agnew:Welcome Volker Greimann Terri Agnew:Welcome Luc Seufer Luc Seufer:Hi Terry et alia Kathy:Interesting background - tx Steve and James! Kathy:"allegedly infringes" as nothing has been adjudicated :-) Christian Dawson:+1 to Michele Kathy:Agree that exact URL is key Michele Neylon:we got several in the last week where we had to waste time asking for specific URLs Michele Neylon:(speaking as a hosting provider) Mary Wong:Please mute your mics when not speaking Mary Wong:Also, please ensure that you use only one set of speakers/mic Michele Neylon:+1 Mary Stephanie Perrin:THanks, that helps clarify Don Blumenthal:Provider TOS can allow for quick action that mans other merhods aren't necessary. Michele Neylon:+1 James Val Sherman:+1 James -- that's fair Michele Neylon:if we can't see the alleged infringement we can't act Kiran Malancharuvil:Agree with that Michele Neylon:"use the force" isn't sane Michele Neylon:re: available / not available - couldn't it be resolved by simply using "if" ie. if it is available Volker Greimann:there will also have to be some form of external verification of the copyright claim Volker Greimann:how will the provider know if the claim is valid? Volker Greimann:+1 for Kathy. If someone complaints that writing about Tethans in volcanoes violates their copyright, that may not be easy to decide Stephanie Perrin:Michele has just asked my next question, bravo! Volker Greimann:so if a platform like abay or alibaba used whois privacy and a customer sold Gucci handbags, what would be your request? Kathy:There are real dangers in not allowing the Customer to discuiss circumstances privately with the SErvice Provider Philip Corwin:General approach seems ok so far -- but noting for record that the method of resolving provider claims of false statements/misrepresentations remains to be decided and that this is extremely important to prevent abuse of the process. Todd Williams:Steve just made the point I was going to make. It's "lack of" Frank Michlick:+1 for Michele. Lindsay Hamilton-Reid 2:I also agree with Michele. We are not here to be judge and jury. dick leaning:agree with michele Michele Neylon:I'm taking a screenshot of that dick leaning::-) Don Blumenthal:Scary, isn't it? Kathy:We'll definitely need a procedure for the Customer to obtain statements from Requestor that can be challenged as appropriate in court and elsewhere Kathy:Tx to Steve and All for walking us through! Bladel:Thanks, Steve. Kathy:(statements being access to the good faith statement and allegations....) Carlton Samuels:Thank you all Val Sherman:Thanks, Steve and all! Kathy:Bye All dick leaning:thanks all Lindsay Hamilton-Reid 2:Thank you